We Must Fight For Religious Freedom
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glocknload
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So very true, my brother. Without this freedom, there is no hope for any freedom. Thanks for the post and the reminder.
Tucker's Mom
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Same here......
eagleeyes
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tolerance?? like i said i don't care what religious cult folks choose to belong to so long they not trying to force their beliefs on me or make me conform to their idealisms
how is that being intolerant of others rights to believe and worship their gods
i understand the difference which is why i choose to say i want my freedom from religion
how is that being intolerant of others rights to believe and worship their gods
i understand the difference which is why i choose to say i want my freedom from religion
tcox4freedom
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Have you seen this personally happen?
Answer; NO you haven't because it doesn't happen.
Orphans aren't forced to pray or do anything else by christian missionaries. To say otherwise is to tell a LIE! Sure, most christian to pray before a meal. But, the entire basis of Christianity is "freedom of choice". As "Christians" we "choose" to follow Christ. God does NOT force us to do so.
(Forcing anyone to follow "Christ" is diametrically opposed to the teaching of Jesus Christ himself.)
To me, it seems the only people who try to forcefully impose their views on others are atheists & other cult religions that are trying to stomp GOD out of every area of society.
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Tucker's Mom
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or you are getting old and grumpy....:sad: :haha: :biggrin: :sarcastic: Dang! I can't find the right smilie for jokin'....Well, I don't agree with that either. I guess I'm just a disagreeable person
Oldgrunt
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Eagleeyes: From your ramblings, I would say you really know very little about "religion", Christianity or the Bible. You haven't presented any reasons for your disbelief which indicates to me that you are pulling your statements out of the air (or other places). If you want to disbelieve, give us solid reasons to dispute Christianity or any religion in general. Tell us exactly what is wrong, why it isn"t true, why you don't need it and why you get so upset about it. You speak of intolerance of the "cults." Have you heard of the religion of Islam? There, old son, is intolerance. You conform to their religion or your head and torso part company. Is that intolerance? In Christianity, you have what is called "free will." Ever heard of it? That means you are free to either accept Jesus and his redemptive sacrifice for us or you can reject Him. The choice is yours. Heaven or hell, the choice is up to you. There are many of us who are Christians and willl not hesitate to tell you about it in a flash. And the best part is we have an Instruction Manual to back us up. It is called the Bible. If you have a question, refer to it. I'll bet it has more answers than you have questions. One thing I have found is that the mention of Jesus or religion convicts some people and they get very uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable about it means that there is still hope for you. You are being called to be a son of God. Especially now, in this day and age as told by the Bible, you should heed that call while there is time. One of those days, that call will no longer be made and you may miss your redemption. Think about it very seriously.
Debray
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From a Strong Christian Nation to What?
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
Thomas Jefferson
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
John Hancock
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.”
Benjamin Franklin
“By humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
Samuel Adams
“Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."
James Madison
Just a few of the Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides." "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression..." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air, and all that sort of thing." Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008
Senator Barrack Obama
Do you know why the flag was still there?
Every time a Patriot died holding the flag in the air that night, another one took his place.
In the morning there was a pile of dead bodies and an American holding the flag on top of the pile.
So all you anti-Christians enjoy the Freedom God has Given us, and for all my Christian Friends don't give up.
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
Thomas Jefferson
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
John Hancock
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.”
Benjamin Franklin
“By humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
Samuel Adams
“Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."
James Madison
Just a few of the Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides." "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression..." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air, and all that sort of thing." Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008
Senator Barrack Obama
Do you know why the flag was still there?
Every time a Patriot died holding the flag in the air that night, another one took his place.
In the morning there was a pile of dead bodies and an American holding the flag on top of the pile.
So all you anti-Christians enjoy the Freedom God has Given us, and for all my Christian Friends don't give up.
if you find yourself in a fair fight; your tactics suck.
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
John Hancock
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.”
Benjamin Franklin
“By humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
Samuel Adams
“Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."
James Madison
Just a few of the Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides." "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression..." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air, and all that sort of thing." Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008
Senator Barrack Obama
Do you know why the flag was still there?
Every time a Patriot died holding the flag in the air that night, another one took his place.
In the morning there was a pile of dead bodies and an American holding the flag on top of the pile.
So all you anti-Christians enjoy the Freedom God has Given us, and for all my Christian Friends don't give up.[/QUOTE]
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
John Hancock
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.”
Benjamin Franklin
“By humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
Samuel Adams
“Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."
James Madison
Just a few of the Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides." "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression..." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air, and all that sort of thing." Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008
Senator Barrack Obama
Do you know why the flag was still there?
Every time a Patriot died holding the flag in the air that night, another one took his place.
In the morning there was a pile of dead bodies and an American holding the flag on top of the pile.
So all you anti-Christians enjoy the Freedom God has Given us, and for all my Christian Friends don't give up.[/QUOTE]
fredom of worship.
freedom of worship is not the same as freedom of religion. you are free to worship(something or someone)
but no freedom of religion exists or is gauranteed.
i am a christian, but that rite is not gauranteed. be carefull of what you think is gauranteed.
any religion can be outlawed. if sharia law is ever enacted, your rite to be a christian or jew or what ever.
can be taken away. only sharia law can protect one religion. ISLAM. our constitution only protects the rite
to worship something or someone. your church could be banned.
freedom of worship is not the same as freedom of religion. you are free to worship(something or someone)
but no freedom of religion exists or is gauranteed.
i am a christian, but that rite is not gauranteed. be carefull of what you think is gauranteed.
any religion can be outlawed. if sharia law is ever enacted, your rite to be a christian or jew or what ever.
can be taken away. only sharia law can protect one religion. ISLAM. our constitution only protects the rite
to worship something or someone. your church could be banned.
eagleeyes
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ol grunt i probably know more about christianity it's sordid history and the bible and islam than most christians do! in fact i probably forgot more than most christians will ever begin to understand about their holy book
i've studied and read the bible several times cover to cover as well some parts probably dozens of times and others hundreds in my lifetime i've also read the qu'ran and other jewish hindu and religious texts ..i've studied many religions histories beliefs and doctrines and studied and participated in many indigenous cultures spiritual rites as well...i'm not an ignorant person by any means esp when it comes to religiosity ...as i am well read and studied on the subject
....i have no desire to worship any religious groups god or gods i see no need or reason to. i'm a good moral well rounded person without holding whacky fundi beliefs i fear nobodys god no do i fear hell and all that fire and brimstone from some unseen god
and page~......... what phase is it you think i'm going through????as i never believed in god even though i had to go to church every sunday and christian holy day with my family and say what was expected of me during mass...i always found going to catholic masses very boring .....sit stand kneel say the same ol stuff week after week year after year all which never brought me to a closer understanding of my true self
i was brought up in a roman catholic family done the whole spiel from baptism on. it just never moved me to believe this god really exists
tcox4freedom ~you should google up 'jesus camps' and listen to folks from india tell their stories of how christian cults destroyed their lives use trickery and deception to convert kids and all.....
don't get me wrong whilst i don't believe in gods, i'm not an atheist either! i'm just a soul whose intentions are good .......please don't let me be misunderstood lolz
i've studied and read the bible several times cover to cover as well some parts probably dozens of times and others hundreds in my lifetime i've also read the qu'ran and other jewish hindu and religious texts ..i've studied many religions histories beliefs and doctrines and studied and participated in many indigenous cultures spiritual rites as well...i'm not an ignorant person by any means esp when it comes to religiosity ...as i am well read and studied on the subject
....i have no desire to worship any religious groups god or gods i see no need or reason to. i'm a good moral well rounded person without holding whacky fundi beliefs i fear nobodys god no do i fear hell and all that fire and brimstone from some unseen god
and page~......... what phase is it you think i'm going through????as i never believed in god even though i had to go to church every sunday and christian holy day with my family and say what was expected of me during mass...i always found going to catholic masses very boring .....sit stand kneel say the same ol stuff week after week year after year all which never brought me to a closer understanding of my true self
i was brought up in a roman catholic family done the whole spiel from baptism on. it just never moved me to believe this god really exists
tcox4freedom ~you should google up 'jesus camps' and listen to folks from india tell their stories of how christian cults destroyed their lives use trickery and deception to convert kids and all.....
don't get me wrong whilst i don't believe in gods, i'm not an atheist either! i'm just a soul whose intentions are good .......please don't let me be misunderstood lolz
tcox4freedom
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I'm not gonna argue with you anymore eagleeyes. (I respect you & don't want to risk losing that.)
All I can say is just because a group professes to be "christian", it doesn't make it true. There have been NON-christian groups doing all sorts of atrocities under the guise of christianity for centuries. But, it doesn't make the "Christian".
You've said you've read the Bible & have a great knowledge of it's teaching. So, I'm sure you're familiar that Jesus said there would be many that called him LORD. But, he would say; "Depart from me I never knew you."
I'm also sure you are familiar with Jesus' teaching about how you would know his TRUE followers. So, I want quote the scripture here.
Have a good day & keep sharing your wisdom on other things in the forum. (I've enjoyed reading it.)
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All I can say is just because a group professes to be "christian", it doesn't make it true. There have been NON-christian groups doing all sorts of atrocities under the guise of christianity for centuries. But, it doesn't make the "Christian".
You've said you've read the Bible & have a great knowledge of it's teaching. So, I'm sure you're familiar that Jesus said there would be many that called him LORD. But, he would say; "Depart from me I never knew you."
I'm also sure you are familiar with Jesus' teaching about how you would know his TRUE followers. So, I want quote the scripture here.
Have a good day & keep sharing your wisdom on other things in the forum. (I've enjoyed reading it.)
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MamaLiberty
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Sorry, but I would guess you've never been a student in a Catholic school...
Emotional and psychological pressure are a form of "force," believe me.
eagleeyes
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lol some of those nuns at my school were sadistic creatures they would find excuses to inflict pain for sure
rotflmao perhaps they should got laid once in a while or something
and i've heard some pretty terrible stories from others who were molested not at my school but other catholic schools
i won't give names to protect the innocent but priests and pedophilia runs deep in those catholic cults for certain too
and anyone who don't believe it is in a state of denial not the river in egypt either
rotflmao perhaps they should got laid once in a while or something
and i've heard some pretty terrible stories from others who were molested not at my school but other catholic schools
i won't give names to protect the innocent but priests and pedophilia runs deep in those catholic cults for certain too
and anyone who don't believe it is in a state of denial not the river in egypt either
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