Washington MO...youtube video I wanted to share with y'all

Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage

Favorite parts:

Officer Horn: You can c-c-continue to be an ***hole to me, or you can answer my questions. (which is sadly a common response to "it's my 2A Right.")

USMCBESS: Ok...are you a supervisor officer horn?

Officer Horn: no i'm not a supervisor

USMCBESS: I don't appreciate you cussing at me, you need to get your mouth in check.

Officer Horn: O..all right..well...
 
The only issue with the OC I have...is his wishy washy 5 amendment...if he wanted to remain silent, he should have remained silent.
 
The thing I have a problem with is the intentional provoking. You want to carry open fine it's your right, do so in the normal course of your day. However, if you normally wouldn't be walking on the side of a highway don't do it just so you can video tape the response it causes. Carrying normally as you go through the day helps our cause. Doing so with the clear intention of causing a response hurts.
 
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Favorite parts:

Officer Horn: You can c-c-continue to be an ***hole to me, or you can answer my questions. (which is sadly a common response to "it's my 2A Right.")

USMCBESS: Ok...are you a supervisor officer horn?

Officer Horn: no i'm not a supervisor

USMCBESS: I don't appreciate you cussing at me, you need to get your mouth in check.

Officer Horn: O..all right..well...[/QUOTE]
 
The thing I have a problem with is the intentional provoking. You want to carry open fine it's your right, do so in the normal course of your day. However, if you normally wouldn't be walking on the side of a highway don't do it just so you can video tape the response it causes. Carrying normally as you go through the day helps our cause. Doing so with the clear intention of causing a response hurts.

Eh to each his own on the intentions of exercising as long as they are being exercised. I thought he did say why he was walking down the street, to eat some Chinese food.
 
The PO had several valid points, in my opinion. 1.) Because of citizen reports that someone was walking down the highway with a firearm, it was necessary that they check it out to see if anything to cause concern. The PO stated, since this guy refused to answer, they had no way of knowing if he was planning on pulling it to shoot them or cars. 2.) The police simply asked why he was walking down the highway with a firearm on his hip. That is not prohibiting him from carrying but is seeking information that can resolve the issue when others call about someone with a gun. A quick logical reason would have resolved this quickly. I felt the PO's were very patiently trying to get answers. The person posting this video was, in his own words, "a Second Amendment activist", and apparently only interested in proving some point. 3.) Since the poster took so much time, refusing to answer questions or resolve the basic question, the PO was correct that it was possible other calls were having to be answered by someone that would take longer to respond. That could cause someone else to be injured or worse while this guy was trying to make a point. Only at the very end, after all his comments did he say he was going to get something to eat.

My son is a PO in the Kansas City metro area. While he fully supports the Second Amendment and concealed and open carry, if his dispatch received numerous reports of someone walking down the highway with a firearm, he would have to respond. if his PD ignored the calls and did not check it out and the person started shooting at cars, who would be made the scapegoat? I know of numerous cases where a PO found out a person was carrying and simply told them to "Be safe." when they could tell there was no cause for concern. Most of the time, the Police support our right to carry, as long as we do so responsibly (with exceptions like Chicago, DC or New York, etc.).

Carrying a firearm is not only a right, there is a responsibility that goes with carrying, open or concealed. My opinion is this guy was exercising his right without being a responsible gun owner. In short, his actions and lack of sound judgement, just to make a point, is irresponsible. If I had shot this video, I think I would not want to post it on the internet to show my lack of common sense, just to "prove" some point. This exercise does not promote Second Amendment rights in my opinion, it only shows the anti-gunners that one gun owner does not seem to use good judgement. So, to them, all gun owners are idiots. This is just my 2 cents.
 
The PO had several valid points, in my opinion. 1.) Because of citizen reports that someone was walking down the highway with a firearm, it was necessary that they check it out to see if anything to cause concern. The PO stated, since this guy refused to answer, they had no way of knowing if he was planning on pulling it to shoot them or cars.

Citizen reports of a legal activity warrants this response? What about someone driving their car on that same freeway? Should that be responded to as well? What difference does it make between a firearm and a car? Why do you put so much emphasis on an inanimate object? Is not like it's going to jump out if it's holster and start shooting people on its own.

2.) The police simply asked why he was walking down the highway with a firearm on his hip. That is not prohibiting him from carrying but is seeking information that can resolve the issue when others call about someone with a gun. A quick logical reason would have resolved this quickly. I felt the PO's were very patiently trying to get answers. The person posting this video was, in his own words, "a Second Amendment activist", and apparently only interested in proving some point.

It's my legal right is a perfectly good answer. What was the officers response to that? "Are you going to keep being an ***hole?" I guess those who believe in the constitution are just ***holes now. You know what would have been quicker than answering the officers? If the officers knew the law and left him alone to begin with. If you consider that officers attitude patient, i can't imagine what it would take to be angry. Possibly ex officer harless is the minimum it takes to be considered angry?

3.) Since the poster took so much time, refusing to answer questions or resolve the basic question, the PO was correct that it was possible other calls were having to be answered by someone that would take longer to respond. That could cause someone else to be injured or worse while this guy was trying to make a point. Only at the very end, after all his comments did he say he was going to get something to eat.

the officers could have left at any time, no one was keeping them there but their own free will. They were not arresting him, nor did they do anything else productive, they were questioning someone who broke no laws, so there is no obligation to stay.

My son is a PO in the Kansas City metro area. While he fully supports the Second Amendment and concealed and open carry, if his dispatch received numerous reports of someone walking down the highway with a firearm, he would have to respond. if his PD ignored the calls and did not check it out and the person started shooting at cars, who would be made the scapegoat? I know of numerous cases where a PO found out a person was carrying and simply told them to "Be safe." when they could tell there was no cause for concern. Most of the time, the Police support our right to carry, as long as we do so responsibly (with exceptions like Chicago, DC or New York, etc.).

should the police then also stop each car passing by to question where each individual is going? because no one knows if they are going to go run over a bunch of kids in the park in 5 minutes.

Carrying a firearm is not only a right, there is a responsibility that goes with carrying, open or concealed. My opinion is this guy was exercising his right without being a responsible gun owner. In short, his actions and lack of sound judgement, just to make a point, is irresponsible. If I had shot this video, I think I would not want to post it on the internet to show my lack of common sense, just to "prove" some point. This exercise does not promote Second Amendment rights in my opinion, it only shows the anti-gunners that one gun owner does not seem to use good judgement. So, to them, all gun owners are idiots. This is just my 2 cents.

First question, have you read the Constitution past the 2nd amendment?

Exactly what crime was he committing to warrant such a response again?

Do you feel the same way about people that wear shirts with the cross on it, I mean some people find Christianity offensive...should they bend over for police too so they aren't labeled irresponsible Christians? Should the police point their shotguns at the person in a religious shirt until they can deem them safe?
 
I suppose that my demeanor moves toward being cooperative vice adversarial...I don't understand why the carry issue must be addressed in this manner instead of keeping the energy low and thereby possibly creating friends instead of something less...to each their own I guess...
 
I suppose that my demeanor moves toward being cooperative vice adversarial...I don't understand why the carry issue must be addressed in this manner instead of keeping the energy low and thereby possibly creating friends instead of something less...to each their own I guess...

I guess it depends on who you feel was adversarial first...When did it become adversarial? When you open carry or pointing a shotgun at someone open carrying? Would you take kindly to someone pointing a firearm at you if they knew you were carrying?
 
This guy did this to call attention to himself he wanted a confrontation and he parked his car in a lot to walk on the highway to get Chinese where he could of just drove to the Chinese place.It was his right but the Po just asked a question so if the Po ignored him and this guy shot someone how would people feel then?Where was a shotgun pointed at anyone I did not see that?
 
This guy did this to call attention to himself he wanted a confrontation and he parked his car in a lot to walk on the highway to get Chinese where he could of just drove to the Chinese place.It was his right but the Po just asked a question so if the Po ignored him and this guy shot someone how would people feel then?Where was a shotgun pointed at anyone I did not see that?

He stopped short of police and yelled his intentions because the trooper had his shotgun drawn on him.

I'm glad there are guys out there fighting for our rights everyday.
 
I agree with cgiven1 my only issue is intentionally provoking an encounter. Horn said "The officer had his shotgun pulled" I didn't hear or see anything that indicated it was pointed directly at him..... Did I miss something?
 
The only issue with the OC I have...is his wishy washy 5 amendment...if he wanted to remain silent, he should have remained silent.

In Colorado, police are required to stop questioning the instant a person invokes their right to remain silent. Not sure if it is that way in MO, but if it is, these guys are even more of a disgrace to all the other police with brains.
 
What you seem to forget is that this activity is not legal for everyone. There is an instance, such as a convicted felon or other prohibited or underage person, where this action would be breaking the law. The police have a responsiblity to investigate to determine that it is legal. It is entirely proper that they ask your name and age to verify the legality and let you go on your way. Refusing to answer those simple questions is irresponsible when you are doing nothing wrong.
 
What you seem to forget is that this activity is not legal for everyone. There is an instance, such as a convicted felon or other prohibited or underage person, where this action would be breaking the law. The police have a responsiblity to investigate to determine that it is legal. It is entirely proper that they ask your name and age to verify the legality and let you go on your way. Refusing to answer those simple questions is irresponsible when you are doing nothing wrong.
It's illegal to drive without a license (and usually insurance). It's illegal to possess a stolen car.

So it's ok for cops to randomly pull people over to see if they licenses and insurance, and to make sure they're entitled to drive THAT car, right?
 
It's illegal to drive without a license (and usually insurance). It's illegal to possess a stolen car.

So it's ok for cops to randomly pull people over to see if they licenses and insurance, and to make sure they're entitled to drive THAT car, right?

They do. Random stops, example DWI check points or seat belt check points are done all the time. Other stops are done with probable cause. Openly carrying on the side of a highway is probable cause. That's why he did it, to provoke the response he got. He wanted to get stopped and that's what happened. His being beligerent only put everyone else in a bad light. Had he simply answered when asked his name and age the whole thing would have been done and over in seconds and he could have been on his way. That wouldn't have suited his purpose, so he acted out to get the response he wanted. That doesn't help at all.
 
It's illegal to drive without a license (and usually insurance). It's illegal to possess a stolen car.

So it's ok for cops to randomly pull people over to see if they licenses and insurance, and to make sure they're entitled to drive THAT car, right?

They do. Random stops, example DWI check points or seat belt check points are done all the time. Other stops are done with probable cause. Openly carrying on the side of a highway is probable cause. That's why he did it, to provoke the response he got. He wanted to get stopped and that's what happened. His being beligerent only put everyone else in a bad light. Had he simply answered when asked his name and age the whole thing would have been done and over in seconds and he could have been on his way. That wouldn't have suited his purpose, so he acted out to get the response he wanted. That doesn't help at all.

In really glad everywhere I have lived in Oregon and Washington, they haven't pissed on our 4th with these dui and license checks.
 
They do. Random stops, example DWI check points or seat belt check points are done all the time. Other stops are done with probable cause. Openly carrying on the side of a highway is probable cause. That's why he did it, to provoke the response he got. He wanted to get stopped and that's what happened. His being beligerent only put everyone else in a bad light. Had he simply answered when asked his name and age the whole thing would have been done and over in seconds and he could have been on his way. That wouldn't have suited his purpose, so he acted out to get the response he wanted. That doesn't help at all.
DUI and license check points are NOT "random". They stop EVERYBODY.

I don't know where you live, but open carry isn't PC or RAS of ANYTHING in Ohio. Not only don't I have to show a cop ID in that circumstance, I don't even have to HAVE any.
 

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