Washington Examiner Writer to Pursue DC Gun-Carry Permit in Wake of Armed Robbery
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BluesStringer
Les Brers
The guy absolutely should be able to buy and carry a gun if he wants to, but unfortunately, it probably won't change how he feels about the gun control laws he abided by without question for however long it was before the robbery that he's been alive. And Emily Miller already documented how close to impossible it is to "qualify" even to buy a gun in D.C. It's much more difficult to get a permit, which, after following her attempts for a couple or three years, I got bored with reading about how unfair and unconstitutional DC laws are, while she did nothing to change them except earn her paycheck by writing about it for the Washington Times. Like a trained monkey, she leapt through every obstacle DC put in front of her, and when she completed those, they made up more which she also leapt through. It's possible she finally accomplished something in 2015 or '16 after I quit following the story, but I predict for Mr. Tim Young from the link above that he won't last as long as Emily Miller did before shrugging his shoulders and going back to being a willing sheep.
Sorry, I'm feeling particularly cynical today. I wish the guy luck, but doubt that even if he succeeds for himself, he will exert any effort towards Second Amendment advocacy afterwards. So few life-long gun owners and/or carriers after all, do.
Blues
RedWriter2015
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Amen. RE: Emily Miller and Tim Young.
Nothing will change there in D.C., federal court ruling notwithstanding.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Nothing will change there in D.C., federal court ruling notwithstanding.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I'm a DC resident and having lived in half dozen northeast states, I have ot say DC is easier than lots of jurisdictions. Miller's piece is old and we have been blowing away gun laws here since 2008. It is certianly easier to get a handgun for home and easier to get a carry licence in DC than it is Maryland, NJ, NY and Mass.
i'm not defending DC laws or any gun control, but the fact is saying it is "close to impossible in DC to even qualify is wrong." If you are not a federally prohibited person criminal you easily have one ten days after clicking to order one on buds, CTD or any internet seller. As long as it is on any of Cali, Mass or maryalnd lists (ie DC residents have more choices than each of those states since if it makes it onto any roster it is ok in DC) you are good to go.
Again I am not defending the laws in DC, but rather saying misinformation that discourages gun ownership is harmful.
Process for getting a new handgun for home in DC:
- Call DC's FFL on the phone, introduce yourself tell him you will be ordering a gun to send to him
Pick any gun that is on Maryland, Mass, or cali roster. It needs to be ten round or less (yes it sucks a bit but that is the law in quite a few jurisdictions). virtually all glocks, all sigs, all M&P, all sprigfields, all rugers etc are on one of these rosters abou 6 months after introduced to market. Order your gun and have it sent to DC's FFL. this starts your ten day wait period clock.
- Take DC free online safety course, it takes about 30 minutes. print up the "certificate"
- DC FFL will call you when the handgun arrives. You wll make an appointment with him. if you ordered it on the 10th of the month, it was shipped on the 15th and arrived on the 18th, this means you can go on the 20th to pick it up.
- bring your drivers licence or passport or other gvt ID and a utility bill to show residence, your online training certificate, a locking backpack or something discreet, $35 fingerprint fee (you will only pay that once, any additional long guns, handguns or carry permit will not pay again), $13 gun registration fee (registration never expires now so you only pay that once), and $125 FFL feel (ok that is a $85 or so premium over typical FFL fees on the east coast, but that is new handguns only, not for rifles or any handgun you own if you are moving to DC).
-The FFL is in the police station so you are 90% of the time going to be in and out in 90 minutes to two hours. Meet withthe FFL, inspect the gun, fill out the 4473. You then take the 4473 up to the MPD Firearms office on the floor above. you fill out a form with similar questions, give them your ID, get photographed and printed, and 90% of the time leave that office in 60 minutes with your registration card. You go down to the FFL office, take your gun, and head home.
Easy as Alabama or Texas? no. Easier and quicker than NJ or Maryland? Absolutely. More modern current guns than California or Mass? Absolutely.
If it is a long gun you don't go through DC FFL or pay that $125 at all. you buy it 20 minutes away in Virginia or Maryland, leave the gun there, bring the receipt and your copy of 4473 to DC firearms registration, pay $13, get your registration card, and pick up the gun at the retailer.
If it s guns you already own, you also have no wait period and no FFL. handguns need to be on any one of the three roster state rosters, mags need to be 10 or less. Long guns are old assult rifle ban, mag fed semi auto like ruger mini ranch, Fightlight SCR are fine. AR-15 or mag fed semi auto with grip below action are not allowed.
As far as carry if you are eligible to own a handgun, you pretty much can't be denied a carry. This also makes DC better than all may issue states.
Yes there is a $300 two full day course. If you have had recent training such as military or NRA pistol, etc you take an abridged three hour course on just DC laws and live fire which costs about $100.
Is being forced to take DC full training, which is essentially a full NRA personal protection outside the home course, and getting two hours of professional coaching in drawing and firing skills in live fire more than one shoudl be forced to take? yes. is it a total waste? No.
Again I don't support DC laws. I fought against them since I inherited my grandfathers revolver in 2006 and found out what gun control was -- total bans. But we have had stunning victories in Heller, "Heller III" an amazing victory in Grace/Wrenn v DC, and lots of laws also dropped due to threats of lawsuits. Te fact is in the contxt of mid atlantic/NE states and juristicions, DC is right in the middle, much more permissive than many states in the region. It does not help to spread misinformation.
Emily miller has had a lot of incorrect information in her book and articles. I applaud her exposing the problems (most of which were removed) but she had regulations in her book that were in fact removed before her book was published, and she did a great disservice when she went around on her book tour giving totally false information, effectively discouraging people by stating conditions and regulations that were long since repealed
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I stand corrected, but screw you and your "spreading misinformation" BS. You could've just said progress has been made and several changes now apply. I posted my source. Not a single link in your post. What's up with that, Mr. Misinformation? Maybe you ought to write to Emily Miller or the publication she published her series in and tell her that having "misinformation for others to spread" is harmful and she should see to it that it's taken down. For all we know, you're one of the government officials/cop officials who put road block after road block in front of Miller that made it take (seemingly) forever for her to even qualify for a permit to buy. Not that I necessarily think that's true, but one never knows, now does one? You know my source. None of us knows you at all, so your credibility for accuracy and correct information is exactly zilch for the moment unless and until you post a reliable source like I did.
Nothing, not one single thing that I said, was "misinformation." It was all true and applicable to Emily Miller's personal experiences and came straight from the website she posted it on with her by-line attached. Glad to hear if things have changed, but you can stick that "misinformation" and "discouraging gun ownership is harmful" crap right back where it came from, where the sun don't shine.
Blues
XD40scinNC
New member
I fixed your response :blink:
i gave the correct information and your response was "screw you"?
You did not post a reliable source at all. My source 11 years of fighting DC firearms laws (before miller moved here) eight firearms registrations in DC, a DC CCL -- and the DC code. you posted Miller, who has zero credibility, who has their facts wrong over and over. Miller her book tour in 2013, 14 when she kept claiming one had to take a live fire course, lied about the ammo restrictions, lied about ballistic test loong after that was dropped, etc.
i do not need to write Miller, I have met her quite a few times. And I participated in Heller. I was part of a group that made vetting, but not included due to need to diversify race, gender, age of plaintiffs. I also gave money for wrenn/grace.
If you dont know what Heller and III are, or what Wrenn v DC and Grace v DC are then you simply do not know the most major victories against gun control are.
miller has relentless spread falsehoods, misinformation at the expense of the Seconde amendment rights DC gun owners.
And please do not quote the Washington Times, they recently published a map of "prohibited zones" that is in fact not that at all, and t had all of us with CCL in DC laughing at its idiocy
BluesStringer
Les Brers
"Misinformation" and "discouraging gun ownership is harmful" implies willfully dishonest assertions on my part. How on Earth you can expect people to stay on top of changes that you say just took place in October (in another thread) when I don't think there's another "DC resident" even active on this board, is why you got the "screw you." There's no love lost between me and any journalist working in mainstream media. My experience shows that they're all like lawyers and politicians - un-freakin'-trustworthy to the extreme. I even compared Miller to a "trained monkey" fer cryin' out loud! I hung no inflated sense of reliability on her at all, I just looked to one of the only sources the rest of America outside of DC has for the "pro-gun" side of the issue. Just like you could've simply corrected my honest mistake(s) about DC gun laws, you likewise could've opened with documenting why you feel Miller's series was unreliable for accuracy and/or truth, sans the implication(s) of willful dishonesty to what was simply an honest mistake, and my own first post in this thread strongly implies I would've been wide open to hearing it. You chose to go on the attack. I responded in kind.
I still don't know you. Maybe everything you say above is true, and maybe it ain't. Maybe you "participated" in Heller, and maybe you didn't. You can make any claim you wish from behind an anonymous pseudonym. Maybe your "participation" was while working in government against Heller the same way the NRA did for all any of us knows, or maybe your "participation" was like the 99.9999999% of the rest of gun-owning America, cheer-leading from the sidelines. If your name is Alan Gura, I'd dearly love to have a conversation with you about Heller. You'd get a few pats on the back mixed with a few bones to pick, because I find even Scalia's majority opinion in that case to be so narrow concerning the meaning of the Second Amendment as to be useless for reestablishing the strict meaning of the most important part - that being - the unequivocal period after the words, "shall not be infringed."
You can do a keyword search on how many times my user-name has used the word "Heller" to find out what I know about that specific ruling, or what I think the true, original-intent meaning of the Second Amendment is. I cannot search on yours because you just joined the forum, apparently for the express purpose of putting me in my place, so yeah, screw you.
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