Visiting Law Enforcement Carry

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specialistk9usa

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Here's a question.

I am visiting foreign law enforcement on a long term deployment to Florida. Normally I would bring a handgun with me and carry under authorisation from the State Department. No problem.

However, I do not wish to import a firearm this time. I have been running around in circles trying to find an answer. because I am not importing, the State Department does not get involved. I qualify to purchase ( have official clearance from ATF) However, Florida cannot issue a CCW as I will be a non-immigrant. FDLE do not know the answer. ATF do not know the answer, my local PD (with whom I am working) do not know the answer, County Sheriff does not know the answer :)

Has anyone come across this before?

To summarize
If I import (as foreign LEO on official business), I can legally carry (State Department authorization)
If I do not import, ATF will allow me to purchase (visiting foreign LEO)
No one seems to know what permit I need to carry or who issues it.
Florida cannot issue CCW because of my non-immigrant status

This is driving me nuts
 
Deserteagle said:
If you are legitimate law enforcement, you dont need a permit to carry.
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This would indeed be true, if I were United States law Enforcement. I am not, I am visiting FOREIGN law enforcement. I have no law enforcement powers in the US. However, as I said above, the regulations covering visiting LEOs IMPORTING a firearm are clear under State Department rules - I can get State Department authorization to IMPORT and CARRY. If I do not IMPORT, there is in fact no rule to cover this eventuality. ATF say I can purchase, the State Depart say it has to be done at State level, the State says their is nothing in the rules to allow or indeed prevent me carrying. The problem is, if I carry it is undocumented.
 
Rich_S said:
Check Florida law. Many states exempt law enforcement officers from permit laws.
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Only U.S. LEOs. I have spent weeks on this talking to different state and federal agencies. Everyone agrees it shouldn't be a problem - even ATF can't figure out why there isn't a procedure in place, no-one can point me to a documented solution. To give an example of how it can go wrong if I do not comply with the law. Suppose the PD I am liaising with say "go ahead, carry, its OK" and the county Sheriff says "its OK with us too".... thats fine in their jurisdiction. Then I travel out of the local jurisdiction and get stopped by FHP for something...... can of worms. It would probably be OK in the end after numerous phone calls establishing ID, confirmation that I was here on official business etc, but it will probably take hours to resolve.

It it weren't so ridiculous it would be funny :)
 
You already went to all those 'Official' agencies and they can't help you?

Then you come here for help?

Now that's just funny. I feel for you but if you start listening to folks here, your head will be spinning more than you ever feared it would. :):):)

KK
 
Sorry, your situation does not bring anything to mind, for me, except that you are an LEO from another country. What kind of answer could you be possibly looking for here at this forum? If my lack of concern for your situation or my lack of awe for your position isn't appreciated by you that's ok. No really, it's ok.
 
Get a carry permit from another state that Florida recognizes?

It's nice that you are in a privileged class of human beings. Commoners who are not citizens of the US must be here on an immigrant type visa and maintain 90 days continuous residency in the same state before legally purchasing a firearm here.
 
NavyLCDR said:
Get a carry permit from another state that Florida recognizes?

It's nice that you are in a privileged class of human beings. Commoners who are not citizens of the US must be here on an immigrant type visa and maintain 90 days continuous residency in the same state before legally purchasing a firearm here.
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The rules on non-immigrants are the same in ALL states. I do also meet the 90 day rule.
 
Keykutter said:
You already went to all those 'Official' agencies and they can't help you?

Then you come here for help?

Now that's just funny. I feel for you but if you start listening to folks here, your head will be spinning more than you ever feared it would. :):):)

KK
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Now that is just part of the irony. I was hoping that maybe someone here had come across this before.
 
NavyLCDR said:
Get a carry permit from another state that Florida recognizes?

It's nice that you are in a privileged class of human beings. Commoners who are not citizens of the US must be here on an immigrant type visa and maintain 90 days continuous residency in the same state before legally purchasing a firearm here.
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You know, Navy...you are a generally good guy with whom I normally agree.

However, I have some trouble understanding the resentment aimed at the OP because congress chose to exempt one group from some of the more onerous and (IMO) unconstitutional regulations that have been imposed over the past 75 or so years.

We did not pass those regulations...or even our exemption to them and I really think you would be better served aiming your resentment at congress.

I also would like to mention (as a former Army NCO) that you belong to a group that benefits from a few privileges not afforded those not holding a commission...
 
790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.—
1) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed weapons or concealed firearms to persons qualified as provided in this section.
(2) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall issue a license if the applicant:
(e) A consular security official of a foreign government that maintains diplomatic relations and treaties of commerce, friendship, and navigation with the United States and is certified as such by the foreign government and by the appropriate embassy in this country must be issued a license within 20 days after the date of the receipt of a completed application, certification document, color photograph as specified in paragraph (5)(e), and a nonrefundable license fee of $300. Consular security official licenses shall be valid for 1 year and may be renewed upon completion of the application process as provided in this section.
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Will your embassy give you consular security status?
 
SGB said:
790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.—
1) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed weapons or concealed firearms to persons qualified as provided in this section.
(2) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall issue a license if the applicant:
(e) A consular security official of a foreign government that maintains diplomatic relations and treaties of commerce, friendship, and navigation with the United States and is certified as such by the foreign government and by the appropriate embassy in this country must be issued a license within 20 days after the date of the receipt of a completed application, certification document, color photograph as specified in paragraph (5)(e), and a nonrefundable license fee of $300. Consular security official licenses shall be valid for 1 year and may be renewed upon completion of the application process as provided in this section.
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Will your embassy give you consular security status?
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Nope. Already tried that.
 
Not all states are created equal... Sounds like the state of florida has failed here. Do update us if you get this sorted out in case this comes up again.
 
If state department doesnt care whether you carry or not then contact florida attorney generals office, its their call I would think. Remember, its about asking the right question. Dont ask about a CCW permit, ask as a foreign LEO can I carry in your state. If they say yes, ask for it in writing. Thats where I would go with it.
 
agrippakc said:
If state department doesnt care whether you carry or not then contact florida attorney generals office, its their call I would think. Remember, its about asking the right question. Dont ask about a CCW permit, ask as a foreign LEO can I carry in your state. If they say yes, ask for it in writing. Thats where I would go with it.
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Took your advice, which turned out to be solid gold :) You were absolutely right, it's all about the question you ask.

Problem solved. Many thanks
 
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