Very odd situation for gun carry from state to state, Input wanted!

[Zack Pittman]

Hi all,

I have a pretty wired situation I need some input on. I'm a Audio Engineer who travels the country with bands from city to city. Typically our dates and locations are spread out enough that we fly from gig to gig (Which has been a battle in its own flying with my gun.) We are now about to start a true headlining bus tour, so we'll be driving in a tour bus from state to state. I have my CCW in the state of Tennessee, so im covered in most states no matter if i want to carry/store my gun, but there are a handfull of states that I will be going through that dont honor my permit. For those states I understand I can't carry on my person, But, My question lies on keeping my gun in the bus when I'm in those states. The first thing I have to determine, is the bus a vehicle or a "place of dwelling" (home), since thats where i will be living for 2 months? Can I leave it loaded and locked away in states that dont honor my permit? Will some states or cities that have complete bans on guns, not allow me to even have it locked and unloaded on the bus?

Where is the fine line here?

Z

 

[Armed_and_Safe]

Well quick answer is in the States that don't honor your permits you can always use the federal transport law. Unloaded in a case out of reach. No, the bus would defiantly not be considered your home.

For the long answer I'm sure the ask a lawyer, do research, and don't rely on forum member post will follow.
Stay tuned.

 

[rmh6776]

DO NOT BRING TO NEW YORK STATE, we don't honor non resident permits, other states, go on the federal web site, they will tell you what states your permit is legal for.

 

[rogerw]

To be sure I would take the time to research this yourself. "For instance " I have a Nebraska conceal carry permit. If I look at some websites that have reciprocity maps. The maps show I'm ok to carry in South Dakota. The reality is I would be committing a felony. South Dakota does not reconise Nebraska permit. Verified through South Dakota State Patrol Sioux falls and southdakota.gov. june 2011

 

[VERDAD Investigations]

I would suggest evaluating a Florida or Utah permit or both and looking on those maps as compared to which states you are going to. Both Florida and Utah cover you in over 30 states, they are similar, but each covers some the other doesn't. Also research the law in the States your "passing through". There are differences in the laws of each state, as to if you may possess, locked, not carried, vs not allowed at all.

 

[sgtbill]

I would suggest evaluating a Florida or Utah permit or both and looking on those maps as compared to which states you are going to. Both Florida and Utah cover you in over 30 states, they are similar, but each covers some the other doesn't. Also research the law in the States your "passing through". There are differences in the laws of each state, as to if you may possess, locked, not carried, vs not allowed at all.

I have to agree with the above for your own protection.
Bill

 

[Zack Pittman]

I've read up on all the states that dont allow it, but theres a few that things are still questionable, like if i travel through New York State, a state that does not honor my permit, I've read that no matter what I cant even have it locked away and unloaded somewhere, I would love to use the federal law about just passing through to the final destination, but truth is my destination is in almost every state.

When will they pass this bill that has been much rumored about every state having to honor everyone elses permit?

 

[NCIC105]

Transportation by Motor Vehicle: The General Rule

In most states, personally-owned firearms may be transported legally if they are unloaded, cased, and locked in the automobile trunk. As an additional precaution, firearms may be disassembled and separated from ammunition.

The exceptions to this rule deal mainly with interstate transportation of handguns. The myriad and conflicting legal requirements for firearm transportation through the states make caution the key for travelers.

If you travel with a trailer or camper that is hauled by an automobile, it is advisable to transport the firearms unloaded, cased and locked in the automobile trunk. If your vehicle is of the type in which driving and living spaces are not separated, the problem becomes one of access. If the firearm, including handguns, rifles or shotguns, is carried on or about the person, or placed in the camper where it is readily accessible to the driver or any passenger, state and local laws dealing with concealed carrying of firearms may come into play. It is suggested, therefore, that the firearm be transported unloaded, cased, and placed in a locked rear compartment of the camper or mobile home, inaccessible to the driver or passenger.

Once you reach your destination, the state or, in some areas, municipal law, will control the ownership, possession, and transportation of your firearms.

Note:Generally, when a mobile home is readily mobile, i.e., when one can simply start its engine or the engine of its towing vehicle and drive away---even if it is capable of being used as a home--- a mobile home is considered a vehicle. If a mobile home is not mobile, i.e., it does not have an engine, or is not attached to a towing vehicle, and is on blocks, permanently connected to utilities, it is considered a house, not a vehicle.

New York--- New York prohibits the transportation of handguns except by a resident with a license to carry.

A member or coach of an accredited college or university target pistol team may transport a handgun into or through New York to participate in a collegiate, Olympic or target pistol shooting competition provided that the handgun is unloaded and carried in a separate locked container.

Nonresident target shooters may enter or pass through New York State with handguns for purposes of any NRA approved competition if the competitor has in his possession a copy of the match program, proof of entry and a pistol license from his state of residence. The handgun must be unloaded and transported in a fully opaque container.

New York State has strict laws governing illegal possession of handguns which can result in a possible seven year jail sentence for offenders.

A special caution: New York law presumes that an individual stopped in possession of five or more handguns, without a state permit, possesses the handguns for illegal sale, thus subjecting this person to an increased sentence.

New York is the only state in the Union which prohibits the transportation of handguns without a license. Law-abiding citizens should therefore be particularly careful since they face severe consequences should they inadvertently violate the state's myriad, technical, anti-gun provisions.

New York City--- New York City requires a city permit for possession and transportation of handguns and long guns. New York State handgun permits are invalid within the city limits; however, New York State residents may transport their licensed handguns unloaded through the city if these are locked in a container and the trip is continuous. Rifles and shotguns may be kept in the city for only 24 hours while in transit and these must be unloaded and stored in a locked container or automobile trunk for the period.

New York City forbids the possession of an ``assault weapon,'' which includes various specified semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, or revolving shotgun. It is also unlawful to possess an ``ammunition feeding device'' capable of holding more than 17 rounds in a handgun, and more than 5 rounds in a rifle or shotgun.

In all cases, the general rule should be observed. The New York State law on illegal possession applies to the city as well.

Hope this helps!

 

[Tucker's Mom]

In Missouri, where you put your head down for the night (apart from your actual physical resident) is considered your 'home' meaning, you can store and/or carry with you, on you or be within physical reach as it would be as if you are in your physical residence. I know of some people who has guns in their homes and even in their car, without having a permit. The permit allows them to carry their gun outside of their "premises" so to speak.

 

[mdw1003]

Another example of why we need a national reciprocity law for CC.

It's passed the House of Rep.'s. and now goes to the Senate. Contact your state's senators and ask them to support H.R. 822 when it comes to the senate.

 

[B2Tall]

Unloaded and locked (either in a case or with a trigger lock or the equivalent) will cover you in just about any state where your permit isn't accepted. You might want to take a couple of hours one day and go to each of those state's websites and print out the laws and keep them in a folder on the bus.

Have fun on tour. I'm envious. I used to work in the live music industry but was limited to managing a concert venue. I always wanted to go out on tour....especially after hanging out on some really cool buses after the shows :biggrin:

 

[unclewayne17]

When you get to New York throw your gun out with nthe rest of the people in the pile..... Just kidding I stopped and looked but couldn't find one gun, I guess there are a lot of people with illeagle in the state.

 

[442js]

Well quick answer is in the States that don't honor your permits you can always use the federal transport law. Unloaded in a case out of reach. No, the bus would defiantly not be considered your home.

For the long answer I'm sure the ask a lawyer, do research, and don't rely on forum member post will follow.
Stay tuned.

Federal Transport law only covers you if you are driving through the state. If you are going to be working in that state or stopping in the state for something other than gas or food, then the Federal law doesn't apply.

 

[Zack Pittman]

Thanks all for the input! I appreciate it all! I think im just gonna have to gamble with a state or two. I'll have it locked away and taken apart in a safe under the bus. Just hope they dont preform a random bus search, which after 7 years of touring I've only had happen once, and when they saw the artist and got their autograph they left quietly! lol

 

[Agent Green]

To be sure I would take the time to research this yourself. "For instance " I have a Nebraska conceal carry permit. If I look at some websites that have reciprocity maps. The maps show I'm ok to carry in South Dakota. The reality is I would be committing a felony. South Dakota does not reconise Nebraska permit. Verified through South Dakota State Patrol Sioux falls and southdakota.gov. june 2011

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