US Army - No purple hearts for victims of Ft. Hood massacre...

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OK -- so the administration made the decision to assassinate an American and his family living abroad because he was PLANNING an attack on US interests (he richly deserved prosecution for his actions, but the DOJ readily admits that they had no specific intelligence relating to specific acts of terrorism or specific targets), declaring him a traitor and a terrorist without a trial, but they are afraid to label this man, who actually carried out an attack on fellow service personnel, on US soil, a traitor and terrorist - thereby denying the affected service personnel and their families the decorations, benefits and assistance that they should rightfully be receiving?

According to Article 3 section 3 of the Constitution, this man is a traitor:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

He carried out an act of war against the US in support of muslim extremist enemies of this country. He is a traitor and a terrorist under the terms of this article of the Constitution. He is still Constitutionally due his day in open court, but make no mistake about it - he is a traitor and a terrorist; for the military to say otherwise is an affront to all members of our armed forces, particularly those who were personally affected by his actions.

If you find this offensive, pass this on - and contact your legislators to demand that this travesty be corrected immediately.

U.S. Army Says No Purple Hearts for Ft. Hood Victims

Hear what Lt. Col. Allen West has to say about this decision:

 
What a sorry ******* kick in the nuts to the soldiers and their families. If this man is not a traitor or terrorist, then what the F is he?
 
This is another "incident" that just doesn't fit the liberal-statist narrative. It's not in "their" story line of how the world is or should be. So they just deny it, redefine it, declare it's something that it's not, and move blithely along. This was clearly an act of war, committed by a traitor, inspired by another traitor (who was later killed via drone attack as a declared enemy combatant). This coward and traitor brought combat to a medical facility at Ft. Hood, killing defenseless servicemen who were there in the line of duty.
 
I think this is absolutely the correct action. DoD is right about such an award diluting forever the Purple Heart. The Ft Hood shootings were not combat action, and for DoD to award a medal statutorily predicated on that would permit Hassan (and others in the future) to successfully assert that he should be tried as a POW enemy combatant. It's not a choice between "Purple Heart" and "kicking the Ft Hood dead & wounded in the nuts." Leave the political posturing based on dislike of Obama (whom I have detested for years) out of this.
 
I think this is absolutely the correct action. DoD is right about such an award diluting forever the Purple Heart. The Ft Hood shootings were not combat action, and for DoD to award a medal statutorily predicated on that would permit Hassan (and others in the future) to successfully assert that he should be tried as a POW enemy combatant. It's not a choice between "Purple Heart" and "kicking the Ft Hood dead & wounded in the nuts." Leave the political posturing based on dislike of Obama (whom I have detested for years) out of this.

It wasn't about "diluting forever the Purple Heart," it was about a) damaging Hasan's ability to receive a "fair trial" and b) "set[ting] the stage for a formal declaration that Major Hasan is a terrorist" - something the DOD is apparently hesitant to do.

BTW - this posting has nothing whatsoever to do with my dislike of Obama or political posturing. The injuries were received in the line of duty as the result of an enemy attack. It is that simple.
 
It wasn't about "diluting forever the Purple Heart," ...

From DoD (in part): "...to expand the Purple Heart criteria to include “domestic criminal acts or domestic terror attacks would be a dramatic departure” from traditional criteria."

"Exceptions to policy"--especially in the awards & decs area-- swiftly become policy.
 
It wasn't about "diluting forever the Purple Heart," ...

From DoD (in part): "...to expand the Purple Heart criteria to include “domestic criminal acts or domestic terror attacks would be a dramatic departure” from traditional criteria."

"Exceptions to policy"--especially in the awards & decs area-- swiftly become policy.

Guess what - times change; the battle has come to US soil. An attack on US military personnel here in CONUS is no less an attack on US interests than an attack in Benghazi. This was not a "domestic terror attack" such as was carried out by Timothy McVeigh or a random criminal act - it was a concerted attack by a muslim service member with ties to a radical muslim cleric living overseas. In other words, under Article 3 Section 3 of the US Constitution, a traitor, but one who had not yet publicly renounced his US citizenship. His attack on US military personnel on a US base made that announcement loud and clear.
 
Extracted from AR 600-8-22 25 February 1995 and Public Law 104-106 - Feb. 10, 1996 visit
Link Removed: Eligibility
criteria for the Purple Heart Medal is as follows:

a. The Purple
Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member
of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while
serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed
Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may
hereafter die after being wounded

(1) In any action against an enemy of
the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a
foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been
engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an
armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not
a belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of
opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile
foreign force.

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international
terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the
United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or
jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons
from more than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March
1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of
the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

b. While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple
Heart differs from all other decorations in that an individual is not
"recommended" for the decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon
meeting specific criteria.


(1) A Purple Heart is
authorized for the first wound suffered under conditions indicated above, but
for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the
medal or ribbon. Not more than one award will be made for more than one wound or
injury received at the same instant or from the same missile, force, explosion,
or agent.

(2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body
from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions
listed above. A physical lesion is not
required
, however, the wound for which the award is made must have
required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for
wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official
record.

(3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key
issue that commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the
enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating
in direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not
sole justification for award.

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly
justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:


(a) Injury
caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action.


(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.

(c) Injury
caused by enemy released chemical, biological or nuclear agent.

(d)
Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.


(e) Concussion
injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.


(5)
Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the
Purple Heart are as follows:

(a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.


(b) Heat stroke.

(c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.


(d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.


(e) Battle fatigue.

(f) Disease not directly caused by enemy
agents.

(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and
other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.

(h)
Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle, and not involving
gross negligence.

(i) Post traumatic stress disorders.

(j) Jump
injuries not caused by enemy action.

(6) It is not intended that such a
strict interpretation of the requirement for the wound or injury to be caused by
direct result of hostile action be taken that it would preclude the award being
made to deserving personnel. Commanders must also take into consideration, the
circumstances surrounding an injury, even if it appears to meet the criteria.
Note the following examples:

(a) In case such as an individual injured
while making a parachute landing from an aircraft that had been brought down
enemy fire; or, an individual injured as a result of a vehicle accident caused
by enemy fire, the decision will be made in favor of the individual and the
award will be made.

(b) Individuals wounded or killed as a result of
"friendly fire" in the "heat of battle" will be awarded the Purple Heart as long
as the "friendly" projectile or agent was released with the full intent of
inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment.

(c)
Individuals injured as a result of their own negligence; for example, driving or
walking through an unauthorized area known to have been mined or placed off
limits or searching for or picking up unexploded munitions as war souvenirs,
will not be awarded the Purple Heart as they clearly were not injured as a
result of enemy action, but rather by their own negligence.

c. A Purple
Heart will be issued to the next of kin of each person entitled to a posthumous
award. Issue will be made automatically by the Commanding General, PERSCOM, upon
receiving a report of death indicating entitlement.

d. Upon written
application to Commander, ARPERCEN, ATIN.- DAR-P-VSEA, 9700 Page Boulevard, St.
Louis, MO 63132-5200, award may be made to any member of the Army, who during
World War 1, was awarded a Meritorious Service Citation Certificate signed by
the Commander in Chief, American Expeditionary Forces, or who was authorized to
wear wound chevrons. Posthumous awards to personnel who were killed or died of
wounds after 5 April 1917 will be made to the appropriate next of kin upon
application to the Commanding General, PERSCOM.

e. Any member of the
Army who was awarded the Purple Heart for meritorious achievement or service, as
opposed to wounds received in action, between 7 December 1941 and 22 September
1943, may apply for award of an appropriate decoration instead of the Purple
Heart.

f. For those who became Prisoners of War after 25 April 1962, the
Purple Heart will be awarded to individuals wounded while prisoners of foreign
forces, upon submission by the individual to the Department of the U.S. Army of
an affidavit that is supported by a statement from a witness, if this is
possible. Documentation and inquiries Should be directed to Commander, PERSCOM,
ATTN: TAPCPDA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471.

g. Any member of the U.S. Army who believes that he or
she is eligible for the Purple Heart, but through unusual circumstances no award
was made, may submit an application through military channels, to Commander,
PERSCOM, ATTN: TAPC-PDA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471. Application will include
complete documentation, to include evidence of medical treatment, pertaining to
the wound.
 
Extracted from AR 600-8-22 25 February 1995 and Public Law 104-106 - Feb. 10, 1996 visit
Link Removed: Eligibility
criteria for the Purple Heart Medal is as follows:

a. The Purple
Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member
of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while
serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed
Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may
hereafter die after being wounded

(1) In any action against an enemy of
the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a
foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been
engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an
armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not
a belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of
opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile
foreign force.

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international
terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the
United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or
jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons
from more than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March
1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of
the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

b. While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple
Heart differs from all other decorations in that an individual is not
"recommended" for the decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon
meeting specific criteria.


(1) A Purple Heart is
authorized for the first wound suffered under conditions indicated above, but
for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the
medal or ribbon. Not more than one award will be made for more than one wound or
injury received at the same instant or from the same missile, force, explosion,
or agent.

(2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body
from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions
listed above. A physical lesion is not
required
, however, the wound for which the award is made must have
required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for
wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official
record.

(3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key
issue that commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the
enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating
in direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not
sole justification for award.

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly
justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:


(a) Injury
caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action.


(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.

(c) Injury
caused by enemy released chemical, biological or nuclear agent.

(d)
Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.


(e) Concussion
injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.


(5)
Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the
Purple Heart are as follows:

(a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.


(b) Heat stroke.

(c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.


(d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.


(e) Battle fatigue.

(f) Disease not directly caused by enemy
agents.

(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and
other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.

(h)
Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle, and not involving
gross negligence.

(i) Post traumatic stress disorders.

(j) Jump
injuries not caused by enemy action.

(6) It is not intended that such a
strict interpretation of the requirement for the wound or injury to be caused by
direct result of hostile action be taken that it would preclude the award being
made to deserving personnel. Commanders must also take into consideration, the
circumstances surrounding an injury, even if it appears to meet the criteria.
Note the following examples:

(a) In case such as an individual injured
while making a parachute landing from an aircraft that had been brought down
enemy fire; or, an individual injured as a result of a vehicle accident caused
by enemy fire, the decision will be made in favor of the individual and the
award will be made.

(b) Individuals wounded or killed as a result of
"friendly fire" in the "heat of battle" will be awarded the Purple Heart as long
as the "friendly" projectile or agent was released with the full intent of
inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment.

(c)
Individuals injured as a result of their own negligence; for example, driving or
walking through an unauthorized area known to have been mined or placed off
limits or searching for or picking up unexploded munitions as war souvenirs,
will not be awarded the Purple Heart as they clearly were not injured as a
result of enemy action, but rather by their own negligence.

c. A Purple
Heart will be issued to the next of kin of each person entitled to a posthumous
award. Issue will be made automatically by the Commanding General, PERSCOM, upon
receiving a report of death indicating entitlement.

d. Upon written
application to Commander, ARPERCEN, ATIN.- DAR-P-VSEA, 9700 Page Boulevard, St.
Louis, MO 63132-5200, award may be made to any member of the Army, who during
World War 1, was awarded a Meritorious Service Citation Certificate signed by
the Commander in Chief, American Expeditionary Forces, or who was authorized to
wear wound chevrons. Posthumous awards to personnel who were killed or died of
wounds after 5 April 1917 will be made to the appropriate next of kin upon
application to the Commanding General, PERSCOM.

e. Any member of the
Army who was awarded the Purple Heart for meritorious achievement or service, as
opposed to wounds received in action, between 7 December 1941 and 22 September
1943, may apply for award of an appropriate decoration instead of the Purple
Heart.

f. For those who became Prisoners of War after 25 April 1962, the
Purple Heart will be awarded to individuals wounded while prisoners of foreign
forces, upon submission by the individual to the Department of the U.S. Army of
an affidavit that is supported by a statement from a witness, if this is
possible. Documentation and inquiries Should be directed to Commander, PERSCOM,
ATTN: TAPCPDA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471.

g. Any member of the U.S. Army who believes that he or
she is eligible for the Purple Heart, but through unusual circumstances no award
was made, may submit an application through military channels, to Commander,
PERSCOM, ATTN: TAPC-PDA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471. Application will include
complete documentation, to include evidence of medical treatment, pertaining to
the wound.

Ok - so just to be sure, you SUPPORT the award of the Purple Heart to those injured or killed at Ft. Hood. Am I understanding you correctly?
 
While I greatly respect and admire LTC West and am as incensed as he is regarding this attack on innocent people, he made the statement that there was no difference between SGT Hassan in Kuwait who fragged some officers then when MAJ Hassan murdered innocents in TX. Well there was. The 101st was directly involved in combat operations and the people at FT were not. The regulation governing the award of the Purple Heart as it is currently written seems to me to be pretty specific as to when the award is authorized. I do know from experience that, when you make an exception to an existing policy that while it initially creates a crack in the dam, almost always the dam eventually turns into a cascade. SORT of like the recent push to award medals for remote controlled AC pilots. The award was higher than the Bronze Star, if I recall that accurately. Having been a career NCO I could see "officer politics" all over this one. These young officers are "participating" in combat operations while thousands of miles away from actual danger and would be awarded medals equal or higher than troops in the fray. While I can understand their desire to have such awards in their jackets so that they can remain "competitive" for promotion, the reasoning is just not fair to "real" combatants. While I personally don't think that Purple Hearts should have been awarded after this tragedy, it does seem like there should have been some Soldier's Medals awarded in FT Hood, but I've not read of any. This Medal was created for heroic actions in a peacetime situation as I recall.
 
If it was up to me, that traitor wouldn't get a trial. The problem with this is that he should have been allowed to bleed out. I let wounded terrorists bleed out, as did the rest of you. Why should this trash be treated any different?
 
Sorry to hear this. It shouldn't matter where you are. As long as you're injured by the enemy, you should be eligible for the medal.
 

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