Travon Martin...the new baby Jesus

[JimTh]

This isn't about whether he had a right to self-defense. He clearly does. We're referring to the acts of an organization (HOA) from whom the public expects a reasonable standard of prudent behavior. We have training standards, testing and licensing to ensure public safety. The HOA must not endorse security practices that fall outside of statutory requirements of training and licensing. It isn't enough to believe he is properly trained... he must be properly trained and licensed. Civil actions sometimes charge actions that go against public sensibilities, against the standard of the reasonable person or for acts outside of regulatory requirements. That's what the HOA suit was about. It had nothing to do with GZ's actions but rather the HOA's actions.
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My best friend is a criminal defense attorney. He sums-it-up this way... "If you come to me and ask if I think it's OK for you to conduct neighborhood watch patrols and you have no security license, experience, training, education or insurance, I will advise you that this is a very bad idea and not to do it."

He was properly trained to observe anything that appeared out of the ordinary. Hell man, we all are...it is called discerning...ya know. Good God if you are trying to sell "security guard training" just make a tv commercial. All of the nonsense you are imparting is falling on deaf ears.

 

[BC1]

State Your source.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...g-complex-settled-1-million-article-1.1308943
It was more of a "pay us $ now, or we’ll sue you for $$$$ later." Travelers successfully filed to be released as a party to the looming suit, removing the HOA's ability to pay costs. The HOA paid a settlement nearing $1 million.
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"When you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow..." Charles Coulson, Sp. Counsel to Richard Nixon.

 

[BC1]

He was properly trained to observe anything that appeared out of the ordinary. Hell man, we all are...it is called discerning...ya know. Good God if you are trying to sell "security guard training" just make a tv commercial. All of the nonsense you are imparting is falling on deaf ears.

He wasn't properly trained for anything. He was a damn fool. And I'm not selling anything.
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Once again... this isn't about GZ, we're discussing the looming HOA suit which was absolutely justified. A lesson learned for all about civil litigation. Don't stick your neck out endorsing anyone unless you're prepared to share in the affect of their acts. The HOA endorsed him. That's all that was needed to get sued. The HOA's insurance carrier refused to indemnify them for good reason... coverage wasn't in effect at the time of the shooting. The retreat was on the hook. The potential lawsuit was not determined "frivolous" in nature.
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If I'm the HOA president I would require any ENDORSED neighborhood watch persons have a security license, proper training and then I would add him to the liability policy. Without a license he is ineligible for coverage under most policies. Very stupid business decisions at the HOA.

 

[JimTh]

He wasn't properly trained for anything. He was a damn fool. And I'm not selling anything.
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Once again... this isn't about GZ, we're discussing the looming HOA suit which was absolutely justified. A lesson learned for all about civil litigation. Don't stick your neck out endorsing anyone unless you're prepared to share in the affect of their acts. The HOA endorsed him. That's all that was needed to get sued. The HOA's insurance carrier refused to indemnify them for good reason... coverage wasn't in effect at the time of the shooting. The retreat was on the hook. The potential lawsuit was not determined "frivolous" in nature.
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If I'm the HOA president I would require any ENDORSED neighborhood watch persons have a security license, proper training and then I would add him to the liability policy. Without a license he is ineligible for coverage under most policies. Very stupid business decisions at the HOA.

You call yourself an instructor therefore you are God's gift to "training" and therefore you are trying to sell training. Training for what? Training to see if you can get your ass beat before you pull the trigger. My God man...will you keep your "training" away from us. Train train train train train train...and still freeze at the wrong moment.

 

[BC1]

You call yourself an instructor therefore you are God's gift to "training" and therefore you are trying to sell training. Training for what? Training to see if you can get your ass beat before you pull the trigger. My God man...will you keep your "training" away from us. Train train train train train train...and still freeze at the wrong moment.

I just realized it. Your the guy with the foul, filthy language. Check-out the language in post #17 --> http://www.usacarry.com/forums/new-york-discussion-firearm-news/40586-new-york-laws-2.html. Quite the gentleman, aye?
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No God's gift to anything. I don't sell training. I don't sell anything. I was a trainer for fun. I retired at 44 from my tech consultiung company in NYC. Really nutty responses their bud. Really nutty.

 

[money7west]

Never understand why people attack you if you have opposing views!!! Just like the anti gun people who attack me for loving guns!!! Smh

sent holding sp2022 in one hand

 

[wolf_fire]

You call yourself an instructor therefore you are God's gift to "training" and therefore you are trying to sell training. Training for what? Training to see if you can get your ass beat before you pull the trigger. My God man...will you keep your "training" away from us. Train train train train train train...and still freeze at the wrong moment.

Huh, I think you are the first tro** err, person, that has actually come out and said on this forum that you wish people would not talk about the benefits of training with their firearms. Funny thing, BC1, isn't in the market for anything dealing with training. He does it in his retirement, because it's beneficial to people and it's fun for him. It's amazing how you spew words in a post and they are nearly always either: a) controversial to everyone on this forum, or b) wrong, or c) both. In a line and a half, you managed to pick c) on this one. Kudos to you. You are becoming more efficient at being a tro** err... never mind.

 

[JimPage]

how about a nativity scene of a young husband lying on the ground; bullet in head, a young wife screaming and four young black youths escaping in his carjacked range rover from the short hills mall in nj. There is only one trayvon martin. There are thousands of victims of inner-city urban thugs. The artist needs to get his damn facts straight.

amen!

 

[JimTh]

Huh, I think you are the first tro** err, person, that has actually come out and said on this forum that you wish people would not talk about the benefits of training with their firearms. Funny thing, BC1, isn't in the market for anything dealing with training. He does it in his retirement, because it's beneficial to people and it's fun for him. It's amazing how you spew words in a post and they are nearly always either: a) controversial to everyone on this forum, or b) wrong, or c) both. In a line and a half, you managed to pick c) on this one. Kudos to you. You are becoming more efficient at being a tro** err... never mind.

Are you talking about me again. Are you stalking me? I ain't here to be popular fella...if you don't like my opinions read someone else's.

 

[wolf_fire]

Are you talking about me again. Are you stalking me? I ain't here to be popular fella...if you don't like my opinions read someone else's.

Being that my reply was a reply with your quote on it, ummm, yes.

No, I'm not stalking you. If I were to stalk someone, it would most likely be someone that would be a benefit to me. You sir, are not.

It's one thing to not have a popular opinion; it's another to be down right foolish. It is downright foolish on a firearm's forum to turn a deaf ear when it comes to training with one's firearm. I'm just pointing this out for all those who are looking for good advice on this forum. It certainly has nothing to do to win your favor toward me. I too am not here for any popularity contest. I'm only hear to give good advice, receive good advice, and to try to admonish bad advice.