Top Ten Failures of the Concealed Carry Crowd

[Bttbbob]

TOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
1-Failure to realize just because you have a gun, you are prepared to apply it in a practical application.
2-Failure to carry a gun of substantial caliber.
3-Failure to properly equip oneself. (Belt, holster, reloads,illumination and nonlethal weapons)
4-Failure to understand situational awareness and its use.
5-Failure to understand the fundamentals of marksmanship and firearms safety.
6-Failure to understand Avoid, Evade and Escape Drills.
7-Failure to Train.
8-Failure to Practice.
9-Failure to maintain and care for Firearms and equipment.
10-Failure to carry at all times where legal.

Brought to you by Bob Harvey.......Chief Instructor at South Florida Gun School

 

[lostinataxi]

TOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
1-Failure to realize just because you have a gun, you are prepared to apply it in a practical application.
2-Failure to carry a gun of substantial caliber.
3-Failure to properly equip oneself. (Belt, holster, reloads,illumination and nonlethal weapons)
4-Failure to understand situational awareness and its use.
5-Failure to understand the fundamentals of marksmanship and firearms safety.
6-Failure to understand Avoid, Evade and Escape Drills.
7-Failure to Train.
8-Failure to Practice.
9-Failure to maintain and care for Firearms and equipment.
10-Failure to carry at all times where legal.

Brought to you by Bob Harvey.......Chief Instructor at South Florida Gun School

No doubt all this is true. What can be done to solve this issue though? I suspect this exists for many reasons such as, not being mandatory before applying for a CCWP, not having the spare cash to take all these courses, not being close enough to where courses are given, not thinking the courses are important, so on and so forth.... a litany of reasons who some would say are just excuses. plenty of reasons no doubt of that.

Education and training are indeed important, but I still wouldn't want to make it mandatory in order to "qualify" to apply for a permit to carry. It would drastically reduce the number of CCWP being issued and I don't feel that is a good thing, since I'm one who feels just the fact that our government requires this "permit" to be able to have at least a chance to defend ourselves is anti 2nd amendment in and of itself. Why do we need a special permit to have a chance at defending ourselves when we already have a 2nd amendment which says "shall not be infringed". Yes, there are going to be people who aren't good aims. Yes there will be people who aren't very safety conscious. Yes to all those things and more. I always advocate people to be better educated, train more, practice more, but to make it mandatory (I know you didn't say that), is the only way to get that done and I don't think it's promoting the 2nd amendment rights if we go that route. Just my opinion.

 

[apvbguy]

TOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
1-Failure to realize just because you have a gun, you are prepared to apply it in a practical application.
2-Failure to carry a gun of substantial caliber.
3-Failure to properly equip oneself. (Belt, holster, reloads,illumination and nonlethal weapons)
4-Failure to understand situational awareness and its use.
5-Failure to understand the fundamentals of marksmanship and firearms safety.
6-Failure to understand Avoid, Evade and Escape Drills.
7-Failure to Train.
8-Failure to Practice.
9-Failure to maintain and care for Firearms and equipment.
10-Failure to carry at all times where legal.

Brought to you by Bob Harvey.......Chief Instructor at South Florida Gun School

nothing like being overbearing and presumptuous

 

[Cypher]

nothing like being overbearing and presumptuous

That’s how I read it as well. There’s no attempt at opening a dialogue just the OP making his pronouncement from Olympus and expecting those of us mere mortals to be in awe of his wisdom

 

[The_Outlaw]

TOP 10 Failures of Concealed Carry Crowd
2-Failure to carry a gun of substantial caliber.
Brought to you by Bob Harvey.......Chief Instructor at South Florida Gun School

I would have to question the 'substantial caliber' part of this post.

Smaller, lighter (less bulkier) caliber's like the 22lr, 22wmrf & 380 auto are 'very capable' sidearm's in the right hand's. A smaller caliber firearm 'on your person' is much better than a larger caliber (bulkier/heavier) sidearm left at home or inside of your vehicle imvho.

 

[Kosher kowboy]

I have to agree with Bob. Way too many people that carry are grossly under equipped, under trained, and have no earthly idea how to fight with a handgun. Very few take the responsibility of carrying a firearm seriously. As colonel cooper said years ago, buying a handgun doesn't make you a shooter any more than buying a guitar makes you a musician.

 

[Bttbbob]

Sorry if you are offended...Just my observation as a firearms instructor for over 37 yrs and 30+ thousand students.......Don't like the observation? Don't use it to help your friends, family or yourself. I don't expect anyone to be in awe of anything. Especially not free advice.

 

[apvbguy]

Sorry if you are offended...Just my observation as a firearms instructor for over 37 yrs and 30+ thousand students.......Don't like the observation? Don't use it to help your friends, family or yourself. I don't expect anyone to be in awe of anything. Especially not free advice.

one thing that you can be sure of is that a post like yours does little to encourage people to hire you as a trainer. a good trainer takes what skills and tools the student has and works with that.

 

[Bttbbob]

one thing that you can be sure of is that a post like yours does little to encourage people to hire you as a trainer. a good trainer takes what skills and tools the student has and works with that.

APVBGUY.......I'll take this under advise.............But you know what? A good trainer gives good advise and has repeat business. The bad ones are out of business fast. I have the oldest school in Florida my friend, I must have done something right. It seems you are just looking to start crap.....

 

[Cypher]

Sorry if you are offended...Just my observation as a firearms instructor for over 37 yrs and 30+ thousand students.......Don't like the observation? Don't use it to help your friends, family or yourself. I don't expect anyone to be in awe of anything. Especially not free advice.

I don't see anyone questioning your data here but your presentation sucks and your writing style does come off as pretty pompus. If you talk the way you write I'd tune you out after about three words

 

[Kosher kowboy]

I have agree with Bob, I see way too many guys that carry low quality, small caliber handguns and fire two boxes of ammunition and think they are fully prepared for a gunfight to the death.

 

[FNWylde]

one thing that you can be sure of is that a post like yours does little to encourage people to hire you as a trainer. a good trainer takes what skills and tools the student has and works with that.

I didn't see where Bob insinuated that every concealed weapon carrier had these flaws. It is just a top 10 list which may or may not apply to you, or anyone else reading this. It 'was' a good starting point for discussion. $.02

 

[Bttbbob]

I didn't see where Bob insinuated that every concealed weapon carrier had these flaws. It is just a top 10 list which may or may not apply to you, or anyone else reading this. It 'was' a good starting point for discussion. $.02

This thread was started for that reason alone. Thank You.

 

[jfisch]

I would have to question the 'substantial caliber' part of this post.

Smaller, lighter (less bulkier) caliber's like the 22lr, 22wmrf & 380 auto are 'very capable' sidearm's in the right hand's. A smaller caliber firearm 'on your person' is much better than a larger caliber (bulkier/heavier) sidearm left at home or inside of your vehicle imvho.

I agree, 10 rounds of 22lr in your chest cavity is probably just as efficient as 2 - 3 9mm or .40SW. The nice thing about a smaller caliber (besides concealability if that's an issue) is the fact that with a smaller amount of kick it's easier for some to control and keep their shots on target instead of trying to manage recoil.

 

[vernsimpson]

I believe that the training and instruction should NEVER stop. The greatest figures in sports never stop training and they always go back to the basics and start from scratch. If they stopped training because they thought they were the best then they would NEVER have made it into the record books! By that i mean that if anyone believes that even though they took all the courses that they are ready I think they are wrong. I know in my own case there are most likely some or many areas that I could improve.

I do not mean this post as a put down on anyone. I have seen many times where people take a course and then believe they know everything about it and I do not mean just gun courses. I worked in industry and saw people take a class on some machine and then thought they were experts. I took basically the same hydraulic class about 10 times over a number of years and each time I took it I learned something new OR got a better understanding of what I thought I knew but was wrong!! I believe the same goes for any and all the CC classes. When you take any class you only pick up between 10-25 % of everything that goes on in the classroom. This depends on how much you already know or think you know. It also depends on the teacher. I have had teachers who were boring and not very good.

I also know that to take these CC classes, as often as we possibly should, would get expensive. We each need to try to train and take classes as often as we can.

 

[Firefighterchen]

This list also applies to open carriers as well. I would think not knowing the laws of the state your in would of made the list though.

After reading the laser light thread and the open carry in church thread, the replies from apv and cypher almost made me **** myself from laughing. I thought high attendance was the big factor in who was right? It seems it's only okay for someone to judge as long as their from your church, then you can be as pompous as you want. Telling people lasers will get you killed in every self defense situation isn't presumptuous?

This is a good list for someone to go through to see if that person is getting complacent and stopped climbing the ladder of excellence. Those that get defensive over the list have failed on one or more parts, and feel they were called out.

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[Bttbbob]

I believe that the training and instruction should NEVER stop. The greatest figures in sports never stop training and they always go back to the basics and start from scratch. If they stopped training because they thought they were the best then they would NEVER have made it into the record books! By that i mean that if anyone believes that even though they took all the courses that they are ready I think they are wrong. I know in my own case there are most likely some or many areas that I could improve.

I do not mean this post as a put down on anyone. I have seen many times where people take a course and then believe they know everything about it and I do not mean just gun courses. I worked in industry and saw people take a class on some machine and then thought they were experts. I took basically the same hydraulic class about 10 times over a number of years and each time I took it I learned something new OR got a better understanding of what I thought I knew but was wrong!! I believe the same goes for any and all the CC classes. When you take any class you only pick up between 10-25 % of everything that goes on in the classroom. This depends on how much you already know or think you know. It also depends on the teacher. I have had teachers who were boring and not very good.

I also know that to take these CC classes, as often as we possibly should, would get expensive. We each need to try to train and take classes as often as we can.

I own a school that is an Instructor Development School. I tell everyone that comes through our school that I am a Student of the Martial Arts of Firearms, I never stop training. All I do is pass on what I have learned.

 

[Cypher]

After reading the laser light thread and the open carry in church thread, the replies from apv and cypher almost made me **** myself from laughing. I thought high attendance was the big factor in who was right? It seems it's only okay for someone to judge as long as their from your church, then you can be as pompous as you want. Telling people lasers will get you killed in every self defense situation isn't presumptuous?

Struck a nerve did I ?

 

[BluesStringer]

I don't see anyone questioning your data here but your presentation sucks and your writing style does come off as pretty pompus. If you talk the way you write I'd tune you out after about three words

Hmm....But instead you made two personal and insulting posts and didn't tune him out.

Might this be something you would otherwise consider a "disruption" if you weren't involved? Just curious.

I have no problem or objection to Bob's OP at all. It might be better-suited for the Concealed Carry sub-forum, but otherwise, it's a perfectly legitimate topic for a well-experienced instructor to offer up for discussion on a umm....discussion forum.

BTW, no one "talks" the way they "write." That's why one is called "talking" and the other is called "writing." One has the advantage of vocal inflections and if done in person, facial and gesticulation expression. The other is very limiting in what character traits one can discern from it, though many forum participants make futile and ridiculous attempts to try.

And some moderators on some forums would edit your post to reflect proper spelling of the word "pompous," and then after editing the spelling, they may come back and edit the word out completely because it could be construed by some people as name-calling. You do know that name-calling is against the rules, right? Link Removed

Blues

 

[The_Outlaw]

I agree, 10 rounds of 22lr in your chest cavity is probably just as efficient as 2 - 3 9mm or .40SW. The nice thing about a smaller caliber (besides concealability if that's an issue) is the fact that with a smaller amount of kick it's easier for some to control and keep their shots on target instead of trying to manage recoil.

Heck...I have even heard of people being stopped (killed) with just '1' round of 22lr into the chest.