To safety or not to safety that is the question

[propnut]

Ok here is the question......

do you or would you carry a gun that has no safety features???

I personally will only carry a gun that is sa/da and has some safety features


I am very interested in reading your opinions on this matter and welcome all but please keep it relavent to the topic and keep it clean

EDIT:
feature like disconnects,de cockers,trigger releases are all good safety features
I dont consider a trigger gaurd a true safety feature because in a pocket or soft holster it can easily be caught on somthing and create a accidental discharge
Also this thread is aimed more towards concealed carry/pocket guns
though some do ...most people dont conceal carry full size guns

 

[fudo]

There is a difference between a safety feature and a manually operated safety. Things like heavy trigger springs and disconnect safeties as seen on 1911's, and a full trigger guard are safety features. Revolvers and numerous semi-auto pistols have many safety features, but no manual safety. I carry lots of guns with no manual safety, people have been carrying them around safely for centuries.

 

[Deserteagle]

My Glock has no "manual" safeties that people love so much to make themselves feel better. But my Glock has many internal safeties that ensure the gun will not fire unless I pull the trigger.

 

[miah84]

I carry a M&P 45c no safety, striker fired. Round in the chamber

The most important safety is the one between your ears... in other words keep your booger hook off the bang switch and you'll be fine.


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[FatCrotch]

I really enjoy glocks safety. Finger off the trigger safety on, finger on the trigger safety off. Works well with all guns in my opinion. as long as you have a good drop safety (some type of firing pin block). i won't buy a gun unless it has a drop safety. Why? Because it happens. Don't use a holster that will allow the trigger to be pulled for any reason unless YOU pull it. I heard Springfield XD is nice. grip safety plus all glock type internal safety.

As far as being in a pocket. Hammer less revolver is the way to go. You don't have ejecting shells, or moving slide. there fore you can shoot right through your pocket. don't carry keys or anything else in that pocket and you should be just fine.

To safety or not to safety? :AT LEAST a firing pin block. Just my OPINION.
Do I Carry One? Oh yeah.

 

[Flanmedic51]

I carry a M&P 45c no safety, striker fired. Round in the chamber

The most important safety is the one between your ears... in other words keep your booger hook off the bang switch and you'll be fine.


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That is what I carry as well. Sweet gun. I also bought it specifically without a safety. With a DA only pistol, it only makes sense to NOT have an external safety with the following reason: As an edc, and had to draw the gun and fire it in a high stress situation such as defending my life, I don't need to fumble with the safety or be distracted with whether or not it is actually engaged. It is the same reasons that LE agencies across the country issue pistols without an external safety. IF there is one, then it's a SA/DA pistol with a safety/de cocker and it would otherwise be off. Fine motor skills fly out he window under high stress. I simply don't want to become a statistic while fumbling with a safety. Hence why I don't carry a 1911 as an edc. MHO.

 

[DavidH1]

All of my guns have a safety at the end of my finger. As I tell people I teach; "keep your booger hook off the bang switch" :smile:

 

[localgirl]

I carry half cock, safety off. A heavy trigger pull gives me much more security than the safety, which has been known to switch itself while inside my carry apparatus.

 

[therikoxide]

I carry half cock, safety off. A heavy trigger pull gives me much more security than the safety, which has been known to switch itself while inside my carry apparatus.

I have always heard/read that half cocked will damage your weapon?

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I have been carrying for a little over a year now and have always done so C1. Lately though I have been considering C0, considering all my carrys have dovetails. Either way, if you practice enough, flipping the safety while drawing should become muscle memory and hopefully make it a moot point. IMHO

 

[dobleceroseite]

I have carried a 1950 S&W Model 10-5 Snubby which has NO safety what so ever and would have no problem carrying a Colt SAA. What really matters is how you carry the gun and how good you are with trigger discipline.

 

[DavidC77]

I carryed a 1911 C&Led loaded, I now carry a S&W M&P 40 loaded.

At one point I carryed a S&W snubbie loaded ( I sold the two I owned as I could never shoot them correctly with my bearpaws ).

As others have said, the biggest safety is the big melon in your head, use it right and use your finger right and you will have no problems.

The only gun I wouldn't carry with one under the hammer would be the old style Colt SAA, those you carry 5, then load #6 if you have time to before the SHTF...............

 

[propnut]

I carry 1 of 2 guns my pocket gun is a taurus pt709 it has the trigger release a external "flip sefety" and a built in key lock for when i have to leave it in the truck

my second gun is a ruger p95 it has a de-cocker/manual safety

both guns are sa/da and when i draw either i can flip the safety off before the gun is out of my holster but because of the safety features of both guns i am comfortable leaving the manual safeties off with rounds chambered


I had a keltec .380 and it was the most dangerous piece of crap known to mankind i bought it new and i loaded it holstered it and placed in my gundrawer in my tool box 10 mins later BANG now i have a big hole in my tool box lol when i got off work i went out back to fire off a few rounds i drew the gun and pulled the slide when i let it go BANG pulled it again and BANG so i sent it off to be repaired i got it back 6 weeks later and all seemed well i got off about 200 rounds re-loaded it and holstered it I got in my truck and put it in my hiding spot and started off for home about 5 miles or so from home i hit a pothole in the road and BANG now i have a hole in the floor of my truck I sent it back to kel-tec and they said nothing was wrong with it I must be the cause of the accidental discharges (yeah right) I got the gun back 3 weeks later and took it to work and melted it with a torch so now safeties only for me

 

[Firefighterchen]

I carry 1 of 2 guns my pocket gun is a taurus pt709 it has the trigger release a external "flip sefety" and a built in key lock for when i have to leave it in the truck

my second gun is a ruger p95 it has a de-cocker/manual safety

both guns are sa/da and when i draw either i can flip the safety off before the gun is out of my holster but because of the safety features of both guns i am comfortable leaving the manual safeties off with rounds chambered


I had a keltec .380 and it was the most dangerous piece of crap known to mankind i bought it new and i loaded it holstered it and placed in my gundrawer in my tool box 10 mins later BANG now i have a big hole in my tool box lol when i got off work i went out back to fire off a few rounds i drew the gun and pulled the slide when i let it go BANG pulled it again and BANG so i sent it off to be repaired i got it back 6 weeks later and all seemed well i got off about 200 rounds re-loaded it and holstered it I got in my truck and put it in my hiding spot and started off for home about 5 miles or so from home i hit a pothole in the road and BANG now i have a hole in the floor of my truck I sent it back to kel-tec and they said nothing was wrong with it I must be the cause of the accidental discharges (yeah right) I got the gun back 3 weeks later and took it to work and melted it with a torch so now safeties only for me

Curious, if you knew the gun was unreliable, why did you keep it loaded?

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[NavyLCDR]

I personally will only carry a gun that is sa/da and has a safety on it personally i think carrying one with out a safe is not wise at all. I cary locked & loaded at all times and dont feel that you can do that with a safetyless gun therefor is pointless to carry it

because of the safety features of both guns i am comfortable leaving the manual safeties off with rounds chambered

so now safeties only for me

It sounds to me like you are saying that an external safety lever gives you a warm and fuzzy all safe inside feeling, but you don't feel the need to carry the gun with the safety actually engaged. Interesting concept.

 

[GreenhawK]

It sounds to me like you are saying that an external safety lever gives you a warm and fuzzy all safe inside feeling, but you don't feel the need to carry the gun with the safety actually engaged. Interesting concept.

That is probably more unsafe than having a gun without a manual safety such as a Glock.

In most of the accidental shootings I see at work, most of them are from keeping a gun on them without it being in a holster i.e. the trigger is not covered, and the person not realizing the gun is loaded.

 

[AR_Rzrback]

In addition to safety features previously mentioned, I carry my Glock in a holster (unlike a certain football player in NYC). Keeps things away from the trigger that probably wouldn't be a problem due to length of trigger pull and internal features, but gives great peace-of-mind. 'course, I tend to carry revolvers in holsters also.

 

[towboater]

Carry either a 1911 c1 or a taurus 24/7 decocked and safety off, for a da pull. Carry the 1911 with safest on

 

[JSDinTexas]

I carry a Glock specifically because it does not have a manual safety. It is a tactical weapon designed to be immediately available for use without pushing levers or switches.

 

[fudo]

Ok here is the question......

do you or would you carry a gun that has no safety features???

I personally will only carry a gun that is sa/da and has a safety on it personally i think carrying one with out a safe is not wise at all. I cary locked & loaded at all times and dont feel that you can do that with a safetyless gun therefor is pointless to carry it


I am very interested in reading your opinions on this matter and welcome all but please keep it relavent to the topic and keep it clean

EDIT:
feature like disconnects,de cockers,trigger releases are all good safety features
I dont consider a trigger gaurd a true safety feature because in a pocket or soft holster it can easily be caught on somthing and create a accidental discharge
Also this thread is aimed more towards concealed carry/pocket guns
though some do ...most people dont conceal carry full size guns

The trigger guard is a safety feature. Take a look at a "fitz" special.

 

[paulhuse]

Use your gut to decide. If you are confident in the use of a gun without an active safety (Glocks I consider to be passive) then buy one. If you are more confident with one that has an actuated safety, then buy it. Don't let anyone tell you what you should pick unless he's your personal lawyer.

If you do choose a defensive weapon with a safety then TRAIN every time, using the safety. Set it down, flip the safety on. Pick it up from the bench, flip it off. Holster it, flip it safe. Draw it, flip it live. Do it every time until it's as automatic as a straightened index finger. Then do it some more.

If you're not going to train with the active safety then don't buy one with it.