Tired of hearing Socialism


jwtollett21

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All I hear about Obama is socialist. Lets end this discussion now. Both Obama and Mccain are socialist. Both voted to give 700 billion of our tax money away. The largest tranfer of wealth in American history. Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people and Mccain wants to give it to his buddies, Oil company's and things like that. So Lets please realize that we can't point fingers at either candidate on this subject. This bailout package is the most socialistic thing the government has done in a long time, and i'm glad Senator Mccain felt it was so important to suspended his campaign to get it passed.
 

Obama's record on taxes:

FactCheck: Voted for non-binding tax increase on $42K income. (Sep 2008)
GovWatch: didn't vote to raise taxes 94 times; at most 54. (Jul 2008)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)

Yes he did vote better on some:

Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
 

HK4U

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All I hear about Obama is socialist. Lets end this discussion now. Both Obama and Mccain are socialist. Both voted to give 700 billion of our tax money away. The largest tranfer of wealth in American history. Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people and Mccain wants to give it to his buddies, Oil company's and things like that. So Lets please realize that we can't point fingers at either candidate on this subject. This bailout package is the most socialistic thing the government has done in a long time, and i'm glad Senator Mccain felt it was so important to suspended his campaign to get it passed.


[This bailout package is the most socialistic thing the government has done in a long time,

At least we agree on one thing. However I am not voting for the biggest sociialist to come along in hope to do away with it.
 
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jwtollett21

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not on the subject their Roger.

HK Both are socialist get over it. This whole election is over power and who can get in control. Who controls where the money goes. Who's pocket gets padded. That's why i don't get all religious about voting cause both sides are crooks and don't forget it. THey just throw out all these issues to get me and you to vote for them.
 

HK4U

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not on the subject their Roger.

HK Both are socialist get over it. This whole election is over power and who can get in control. Who controls where the money goes. Who's pocket gets padded. That's why i don't get all religious about voting cause both sides are crooks and don't forget it. THey just throw out all these issues to get me and you to vote for them.

As much as I would rather have someone else McCane is the lesser of the two evils. I would love to see a good man run for President. Obama is not it.
 

kwo51

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Stupidity is learned not taught. Some of us have fought for you to think freely and this is what we get. Next time your on your own.:big_boss:
 

jwtollett21

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kwo51 share the wealth is socialist. All i'm saying is the 700 billion bailout that both nominees voted for is an example of socialism. No one can say that mccain is not socialist either is all I'm saying in this thread. No body here is man enough to admitt that.

roger if your against govenment telling people what to do then why do you think a constitutional ammendment telling people what to do about their unborn child should be decided by the government instead of the familys, loved ones, and their religious leader. Sounds a little socialist to me. Also everybody else here has cashed their government handout stimulus check given by the republican president, i haven't got a chance to ask you since your new so did you cash your socialist check. what about your social security one day and medicare. I'm sure you will reject those benefits to since you are against socialism.
 

jwtollett21

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At least you were born, so your life counts for something now....at 9 months your a baby, at 8 months...nothing.
Hmmm....good philosphy for a the leader of the free world.

Thats great that this is the only issue you are voting on. I'm glad you voted W in because of this too like most other people. I'm so thankful since George got his 8 years in that now no one can get an abortion or gays marry. Oh yeah thats right you can still do all of the above. Its still up to the state i forgot. Anybody want to meet me in California so we can legally get married. We should email the president and his sidekick mccain and let them know we appreciate all they have done.

Just a issue the republicans always use. fear and smear tactics. They play the religion card to persuade voters from the issues that will actually matter to me and you. This time it will not prevail
 

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
Dude I am so tired of your lame rhetoric!!!

Why don't you man up and post a gun thread. Don't throw away an opportunity to learn something about us bitter Americans clinging to God and Guns. We are the reason you don't speak German or Russian.

I will be looking forward to an insightful GUN RELATED THREAD from you in the very near future.:help:
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Most of you are probably aware of my hardline stance against both Obama and McCain. Well, their votes for this monstrosity only strengthened my desire to vote for someone else.
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
All I hear about Obama is socialist. Lets end this discussion now. Both Obama and Mccain are socialist. Both voted to give 700 billion of our tax money away. The largest tranfer of wealth in American history. Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people and Mccain wants to give it to his buddies, Oil company's and things like that. So Lets please realize that we can't point fingers at either candidate on this subject. This bailout package is the most socialistic thing the government has done in a long time, and i'm glad Senator Mccain felt it was so important to suspended his campaign to get it passed.
I'd prefer normal corruption to both corruption and wealth redistribution.
 

jwtollett21

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thank you toreska and tatt for getting this discussion back on track. We were veering of the subject i originally started on. Both are socialist. Do any of you guys make 250k a year. If you do then Obama will tax you more. If not, and i heard this on ABC news last night you will save more under obama than you will Mccain. So look, You guys are totally right. Obama is going to spread the wealth. He said it to Joe the plumber. But if you don't make the 250 k get over it and be happy you will save a little more money.
 

Stiofan

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thank you toreska and tatt for getting this discussion back on track. We were veering of the subject i originally started on. Both are socialist. Do any of you guys make 250k a year. If you do then Obama will tax you more. If not, and i heard this on ABC news last night you will save more under obama than you will Mccain. So look, You guys are totally right. Obama is going to spread the wealth. He said it to Joe the plumber. But if you don't make the 250 k get over it and be happy you will save a little more money.


Great, class warfare talk. Let's get the other guys. Except those other guys own the 5-15 person machine shops, tire stores, plumbing supply houses, and lumber yards that a lot of average folks work at, or soon will will have worked at. Who takes it in the shorts when the owner get hit? Come on, it's not that hard a question.

You all want a vision of the future? They are not even being coy about it anymore, they are willing to say exactly how much they will tax and spend under Obama. Pelosi and crew are rubbing their hands in glee. The $700 billion is forgotten, now it's on to the next $300 billon they are talking about.

"There are a lot of rich guys left we can tax, and this is no time to worry about the deficit, it's time to spend"

YouTube - Barney Frank: Plenty of rich people that we can tax

When they tax those rich people, who is going to lose in the end? Who can pass those taxes downhill, and who will end up paying for it? Amazing some can't figure this simple lesson out.
 

Jay

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Personally, I think ol' jwt should just trot himself on out to California. Those liberals will welcome you with open arms. When osama's new world order bends you over, just hand him your gun (you have one, right?) and the vaseline.

...and by the way....... you're not any more tired of hearing socialism, than many of us are tired of hearing you. Your right to free speech does NOT hold any more right than mine. Deal with it.
 
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stumpjumper101

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Personally, I think ol' jwt should just trot himself on out to California. Those liberals will welcome you with open arms. When osama's new world order bends you over, just hand him your gun (you have one, right?) and the vaseline.

...and by the way....... you're not any more tired of hearing socialism, than many of us are tired of hearing you. Your right to free speech does NOT hold any more right than mine. Deal with it.


Well put jay. dont think i could have put it any better myself!!
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
And why should we have to put up with either?
We shouldn't, but that's life.

thank you toreska and tatt for getting this discussion back on track. We were veering of the subject i originally started on. Both are socialist. Do any of you guys make 250k a year. If you do then Obama will tax you more. If not, and i heard this on ABC news last night you will save more under obama than you will Mccain. So look, You guys are totally right. Obama is going to spread the wealth. He said it to Joe the plumber. But if you don't make the 250 k get over it and be happy you will save a little more money.
jwtollett, do you understand the concept of theft? Saving money because of theft is wrong. The Internal Revenue Service is by far the largest example of white collar crime in the world today.

I don't make over $250k/year, but I'm not going to unfairly attack those who do. Whether someone works for every dime of that or they inherit it from a trust fund set up by their family, it's still their money, and no one has the right to take it. Pauper or billionaire - the state should not be able to touch it.

I understand the tired old line of "voting for my interests" because of my income level. That's total bullshit, based on the idea of couching the misappropriation of property in institutionalized norms that make it seem legitimate and perfectly okay. People who can't get over the idea that the economy is not fair should (1) get a second job to keep themselves busy and (2) stop whining.
 

HK4U

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You guys are wasting your time, trying to explain rational thought processes about individual rights and liberty to commies and socialist.:laugh:

I agree. That is why I put him on the ignore list. I get a note from the forum that shows he has posted but do not actually have to read his drivle.
 

Glockster20

Clinging to God and guns
We shouldn't, but that's life.


jwtollett, do you understand the concept of theft? Saving money because of theft is wrong. The Internal Revenue Service is by far the largest example of white collar crime in the world today.

I don't make over $250k/year, but I'm not going to unfairly attack those who do. Whether someone works for every dime of that or they inherit it from a trust fund set up by their family, it's still their money, and no one has the right to take it. Pauper or billionaire - the state should not be able to touch it.

I understand the tired old line of "voting for my interests" because of my income level. That's total bullshit, based on the idea of couching the misappropriation of property in institutionalized norms that make it seem legitimate and perfectly okay. People who can't get over the idea that the economy is not fair should (1) get a second job to keep themselves busy and (2) stop whining.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. Joe the plumber even said that he didn't think it was right for the government to dictate who makes too much money. You work hard you are rewarded! It's your reward period! To give it to some welfare recipient or slacker who quit school and can't get a decent job is communism! It goes way beyond socialism!
 

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