Tight Ammo Supply


Just 7 minutes earlier you stated that Cabelas is just as bad off as Walmart.

True there will still be some people willing to pay the jacked up prices. Those peoples' stockpiles are below what they are comfortable with. Even you just said that you are now comfortable with the amount that you have. So now you aren't going to go buy any more until either one of two things happens: the prices drop or you go below the amount of stock that you are comfortable with.

My overall point is that if you (anyone) is noticing the shelves filling up again, it's not because of some per-customer limit. It's because, as you noted, people are getting to their comfort level and aren't buying as much. In that particular area, the demand is easing up.

and?

Oh, I visited Cabelas just after my last post then came back here to report.
 

Well, guess what happens when everybody has what they want? That's right, no ammo gets sold. Prices will come down or ammo manufacturers will close their doors. Supply and demand works both ways. And I still think people will pay increased prices until they get to their comfort levels. Fortunately, tho I did pay inflated prices, I finished my inventory build about 40% ammo price inflation ago and when I ordered from Cabelas, I ordered 10 or 20 boxes at a time so shipping was only just so bad. Don't hate the players, hate the game.
BTW, if I could not get a single round to shoot in a given weapon I'd be as disturbed as any one else here. That goes both ways too.
In the end, I do recomend that everybody go buy a 40 caliber. I'd have to say that the shortage of 40 is pretty much over. Again I passed up white box at Walley World this morning.
 
Demand is easing because of price and the fact new gun legislation hasn't been in the news recently............What did we accomplish besides making Bamo the gun salesman of the century? Thanks for all the hoarding people. I'm sure the gun shops aren't complaining.

Bamo hasn't done a single thing. To the very best of my knowledge he hasn't uttered a word about gun control sense being elected. Us (gun owners) are the ones who decided he was responcible for all this. My best bet is that he hasn't purchased more than a box or two for his personnel use sense he was elected.
And what is hoarding? less the rotten profit seakers who purchase ammo to later stick it to ammo-less people on those auction sights. I will not be convinced that 95% of the people who have the money but don't have the ammo would buy everything somebody would sell them, at current inflated regular retailer prices, if that retailer had the supply and would sell it to the gun owner. What is a hoarder? A selfish person? I don't really think so unless, again, hoarding to vulture a captive market.
 
Bamo hasn't done a single thing. To the very best of my knowledge he hasn't uttered a word about gun control sense being elected. Us (gun owners) are the ones who decided he was responcible for all this. My best bet is that he hasn't purchased more than a box or two for his personnel use sense he was elected.
And what is hoarding? less the rotten profit seakers who purchase ammo to later stick it to ammo-less people on those auction sights. I will not be convinced that 95% of the people who have the money but don't have the ammo would buy everything somebody would sell them, at current inflated regular retailer prices, if that retailer had the supply and would sell it to the gun owner. What is a hoarder? A selfish person? I don't really think so unless, again, hoarding to vulture a captive market.

Gun Ban Obama does not have to utter a word, he just needs to keep appointing people like Harold Koh and Sonia Sotomayor and staffing his inner circle with the ring leaders of the biggest gun ban in U.S. history to date, (The Clinton Gun Ban Crew)... as well as both sides of Congress being lop-sided to the left with committed gun banners...
Not withstanding that the Usurper has a 100% record of opposing the Second Amendment... and is rated a solid F by the NRA, Gun Owners of America... just for starters...
Notes will be coming due, its already clear that the majority of the Socialist Tax and Spend, Bailout agenda is going to those that supported the Usurper's ascension...
The Brady Bunch, Fact Check (AKA: Annenberg Foundation), MoveOn, DailyKos, and the rest of the 6 figure Usurper campaign contributors on the left are going to be looking for their pay back soon too...
Once Gun Ban Obama and Company are done shoving Universal Health Care, Cap & Trade and a Stinking $200.00-$300.00 or more per month green tax on every household in the country; tacked onto our utility bills regardless of household income; and pounded the last nail in our coffins with the 2010, Congressional elections (IF we let it happen); you can bet your remaining last nickle that guns, ammo, knives and anything else we could possibly use to put an end to what Jefferson described as tyranny; will banned and or so taxed and regulated "for the public good" that nobody will be able to do anything about it...
If we remain complacent, we will be disarmed, without knowing it until its to late, to do anything about it...
Just like has already happened in England, Canada, Australia, India, China, and elsewhere...

Forewarned, is forearmed...

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Gun Ban Barack Obama

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i was at a gunshow in Richmond Va. over the weekend and ammo seemed plentiful ( prices still high though) and most of the vendors were complaining that gun sales were down right now. maybe the shelves will fill back up and prices creep back down
 
You are wasting your life in a very deep paranoia. I'm sorry for you for that. Are you hoarding bullets?

The Obama Deception can be summed up quite nicely by the following parable...

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river. The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.
Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.
"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"
"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.
"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"
Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"
"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"
"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.
"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"
So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.
Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.
"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"
The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.
"I could not help myself. It is my nature."
Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.


 
It is true, though. Obummer and his league of unaccountable, unelected, unappointed, unconfirmed and all-powerful czars are freakin' me out - more and more with each passing day.

Did find some ammo at WM and Bass Pro recently. My wife and I shot a ton of it up today at a local gun range. 9mm, .357 Sig., .45 ACP go bang! Smurfs die! So much gun powder on my hands, I had to wash them three times.:biggrin:
 
HIGH MISTRUST OF OBAMA SPURS HUGE SURGE IN GUN SALES
AMMUNITION SHORTAGE LOOMS

Get Your Guns Now Before Obama Does. That sign in a Yakima, Washington pawn
shop and gun store says it all when it comes to explaining the unprecedented jump
in gun and ammunition sales throughout the United States.
“It’s a very high mistrust factor,” said Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the
Bellevue, Washington-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
“It’s kept the upswing in firearms sales continuing pretty much unabated since last
October,” when people realized Obama was going to win the presidential election.
Since the FBI’s NICS system did a record 1,529,635 background checks last
November, each month’s gun sales jumped over 20
percent above the previous year’s similar period.
Even after Obama’s “First 100 Days,” firearm
sales continue to climb across the country for
the sixth straight month. Ammunition makers are
reporting record sales across the country as
demand continues to outpace supply, spurred by a possible federal tax on ammo.
Obama sounded the first warning siren during his election campaign by saying
that he supported the individual right to keep and bear arms. But the way he said
it sounded like a politician crossing his fingers behind his back: he promised in
writing to “protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase,
own, transport, and use guns.” Saying nothing about self-defense was a slap
in the face.
The Second Amendment Ain’t About Hunting has been a best-selling bumper
sticker since the Clinton administration’s “assault weapons” ban and President
Bill Clinton’s excuse that it excluded hunting guns (it didn’t).
Worries that Obama and the Democrat Congress would reimpose the expired ban
on semiautomatic rifles have not been reduced by Obama’s recent backing away from
the idea during his “gun trafficking” talks with Mexico’s President Felipe Calderon.
Perhaps the most forceful motive for the general populace to continue stocking
up on guns and ammunition at an unbroken pace came from the recent and outrageous
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report on “Right-wing Extremism” (see Page 2
for related story). It demonized the gun and ammo surge:
Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would
attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as
potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence
against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons
and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions
and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to
law enforcement.
That insulting and provocative assertion comes very close to calling anyone who
buys a gun and ammunition a right-wing extremist and a violent terrorist.
And that comes very close to being fighting words.
“Fighting words” is a legal doctrine describing written or spoken words,
expressed to incite hatred or violence from their target. In a general sense, it’s
words that create (deliberately or not) a verbal or even physical confrontation by
their mere usage. There is no First Amendment protection for using fighting words.
Most average Americans would be infuriated to be called a violent disloyal
terrorist. In a town hall meeting, such an inflammatory accusation by a fellow
citizen would likely provoke a fistfight.
But this is not a fellow citizen calling all gun buyers extremist violent
terrorists. It is our own government. And if our government is inciting violence
from gun buyers using an inflammatory report, what are we to make of that?
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano has refused to apologize to gun owners for the
report, and gave only a grudging “sorry” to veterans called “right-wing extremists.”
President Obama needs to assure all Americans that he is not baiting gun owners.

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If sufficient people are shooting less (I cut down from 2 range days a week to one a month, and I also reload) and 'stockpiles' are rising to a comfort level, then demand will drop and supplies will increase. The prices will then drop and we'll all run out to buy some of the cheap ammo we don't need, while we can, and the whole thing starts again.

Does anybody remember the 'toilet paper' shortages of the 70's?:biggrin:
 
9 mm

This was interesting.
I just bought 4 boxes of Federal 9 MM FMJ at Wal-Mart in Henderson Nevada. I was in earlier and found some 22 and wanted more so I stopped by the gun counter. I asked the girl if she had any 22 left. She said "No, but I have some 9 MM." I laughed and said I don't own a 9 MM. She said she only had one case and she doesn't even bother putting it on the shelf. Then it struck me. I've got some really great buddys who can't find 9 MM so I'm going to make the day for a couple of them.
Federal 115 grain FMJ 50 count box. $8.97 a box. They also had several cases of 40 caliber. I bought two boxes.
 
I got conversion kits for every gun I could...my 1911, AR-15, 22-250...it's even hard to find .22 now though. :wacko:
 
Heads up from inside our Wal-Mart. Got ample supplies of .222, .223, 22-250, 30-30 and 40 S&W, hit orders on all those. Built the smaller stuff like 22 mag and 17hmr up to decent levels, at 6 boxes both supplies will last two weeks or so if we got a run. We hit an order of 70 45s in Federals but sold the last of them, only got personal protection Winchesters left. Had hit an order of 308 but they're mostly gone, 4 boxes left maybe. Have loads of .22 Winchesters but all small boxes (we figured if we can't get anything we'll sell the bricks of them). I called Remington directly and tried ordering .22 value packs from then can get maybe 50-80 boxes a week that way but they only last a week, can't build a supply. Virtually everything comes in at some point or another, except for the UMC handgun ammo which has been really sparce (Remington told me they're backordered on the UMCs when I called, for what it is worth). Problem is unless we hit the orders, we can't get any quantity of anything, given the limit since most value packs of white box winchester are in cases of 5 they can still buy them all. Sold the last 15 or so 45s in Federal today. Been a LOT of work to maintain any decent supply and your store would have to really be on top of things. Shotgun ammo has not been a problem, even the 00 buck that some people are having problems finding in certain areas.
 
Heads up from inside our Wal-Mart. Got ample supplies of .222, .223, 22-250, 30-30 and 40 S&W, hit orders on all those. Built the smaller stuff like 22 mag and 17hmr up to decent levels, at 6 boxes both supplies will last two weeks or so if we got a run. We hit an order of 70 45s in Federals but sold the last of them, only got personal protection Winchesters left. Had hit an order of 308 but they're mostly gone, 4 boxes left maybe. Have loads of .22 Winchesters but all small boxes (we figured if we can't get anything we'll sell the bricks of them). I called Remington directly and tried ordering .22 value packs from then can get maybe 50-80 boxes a week that way but they only last a week, can't build a supply. Virtually everything comes in at some point or another, except for the UMC handgun ammo which has been really sparce (Remington told me they're backordered on the UMCs when I called, for what it is worth). Problem is unless we hit the orders, we can't get any quantity of anything, given the limit since most value packs of white box winchester are in cases of 5 they can still buy them all. Sold the last 15 or so 45s in Federal today. Been a LOT of work to maintain any decent supply and your store would have to really be on top of things. Shotgun ammo has not been a problem, even the 00 buck that some people are having problems finding in certain areas.
OK we get it. You are the best Walmart emplyee in the nation. What good does that do us if you won't tell us where you are?

BTW, my local Walmart has just about every rifle caliber that they normally stock. Rifle rounds aren't really the problem, it's the handgun ammo (save for .40 S&W, which they almost always have.) I got lucky on Saturday and happened upon the only 4 boxes of 9mm they've had in the last month or so. Right place, right time.
 
I landed 4 boxes of 9MM at the Super Wal-Mart in Henderson Nevada last Saturday. Today I bought 8 bricks of 500 count Winchester Xpert HV 22. That was a huge jackpot for me. I've been looking for bulk 22 for awhile as my 8 week old BassPro stash is running thin. I also landed 4 boxes of CCI MiniMags. There was plenty of white box 40 and 45 today as well.
I won't buy anything else less I run across some CCI Velocitor 22 or some Hornady 380 Critical Defense. I'm finally really well set up. Gonna miss the game tho.
Oh, Center Mass in Henderson NV had UMC 380 last Saturday. I didn't pick any up.
 

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