This will bring the anti gun crowd out!

and maybe the "pro-gun" folks can jump on it and say "if the law allowed a citizen to carry a gun in a movie theater, than maybe this could have been avoided ..

SB
 
and maybe the "pro-gun" folks can jump on it and say "if the law allowed a citizen to carry a gun in a movie theater, than maybe this could have been avoided ..

SB

In Colorado the law does allow citizen to carry in movie theaters
 
Didn't see this before trying to post my thread.

I can't believe no one else was carrying in a theatre with that many people. Due to our theatre selling alcohol I have to leave my gun in the car and the idea this could happen randomly scares me. I also wonder why there wasn't at least one person carrying in that theatre.
 
From a tactical analysis-

Attempting to take down a gunman (or two in this case) in a dark and crowded theater, with inclines/steps/steep ramps where people are running and screaming probably isn't the wisest course of action. You are better to hunker down and wait for a good opportunity to take a very close and well aimed shot when some innocent person's head isn't going to jump in the way.
An even better course of action is to use the commotion to get you and yours out a side door while you cover them.
 
Seems to me it should be just more evidence that more people, if qualified, should be allowed to carry. Just when you think it could not get any worse.....
 
Sad for the families and friends, question after Alabama and now Colorado, where was the police protection the anti gun crowd talks about, not there, never leave home without my weapon, folks actually believe the police can protect a disarmed population. Guy was wearing body armor and helmet taking this guy down in a theater full of folks would be very difficult. Prayers go out to friends and family's of those killed or hurt.
 
agreed. that would have been my thinking. another point, the cops were there for crowd control and they still could not do anything to stop this guy until after the fact. just pointing out that the bad guys are every where and there is noting anyone can do to stop it.
 
First off, my prayers are with the people who lost loved ones and for the ones who were a part of this tragic event. This is a very tough situation to deal with from what ever angle you approach it.

My first thought when I saw this on the news this morning was where were the CCL holders?
So does anybody know, for a fact, whether or not you are allowed to carry in the theater? If I am not mistaken, the only reason you wouldn't be able o here in Texas is if they made 51% of their income from alcohol.
I have to believe that if there was some armed civilians in the theater this many people would not have lost their lives.

I don't know for sure either way, but on the news just now they were discussing that it might have been a FULLY AUTOMATIC rifle. I am sure it is possible but unlikely.
The news anchor said;
"..and obviously the difference between the two would be that the fully auto rifle would be able to fire MANY more rounds then one you had to pull the trigger for each shot.":rolleyes:

I think the title of this thread is correct, this will bring out the ANTIs.
But a very simple statement like "If a few CCL holders were on scene you have to believe this would have been a bit less traumatic" from a PD rep would separate the good guys with guns and the bad guys with guns.
But I don't expect that to happen.
 
I just sent the following email to several Michigan state legislators:

Gentlemen:

The mass shooting in a Colorado theater last night (7/19/12) vividly demonstrates what those in the firearms carry community have been saying for years: allowing businesses to be no-carry zones, either by legislation or by election on the part of the business owner, does nothing to enhance the safety of patrons. The only people who are going to observe those signs and laws are law abiding citizens; lawbreakers have no regard for such things. In fact, as can be seen clearly from this incident, the only thing these no-carry designations do is guarantee a higher victim count.

No fewer than ten (10) Supreme Court rulings have affirmed that personal protection is the obligation of the individual citizen - not the police. The clearest opinion came in the SCOTUS ruling, City of Castle Rock, Colorado v Gonzales (I hope the irony of this is not lost):

"You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole. It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection" (emphasis added).

In addition to the Supreme Court rulings, the universal drawdown of law enforcement across the country means that there are fewer officers available to respond to such situations, and that the response time needed to marshal the remaining officers will be correspondingly longer. This makes the 2012 federal appeals court ruling in Woollard v Sheridan even more critical:

"As Judge Niemeyer points out, the Heller Court`s description of its holding as applying to the home, where the need "for defense of self, family, and property is most acute," suggests that the right also applies in some form "where that need is not `most acute.'" Id. at 468 (Niemeyer, J., concurring) (quoting Heller, 554 U.S. at 628). This reasoning is consistent with the Supreme Court`s historical understanding of the right to keep and bear arms as "an individual right protecting against both public and private violence." Heller, 554 U.S. at 594. In addition to self-defense, the right was also understood to allow for militia membership and hunting. See id. at 598. To secure these rights, the Second Amendment`s protections must extend beyond the home: neither hunting nor militia training is a household activity, and "self-defense has to take place wherever [a] person happens to be." Masciandaro, 638 F.3d at 468 (Niemeyer, J., concurring) (quoting Eugene Volokh, Implementing the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for Self-Defense: An Analytical Framework and a Research Agenda, 56 UCLA L. REV. 1443, 1515-18 (2009))" (emphasis added).

The following statement appeared on the web site of Union Local 2544 of The National Border patrol Council, Tucson, AZ, relating to recent DHS training regarding active shooter incidents:

"Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that any three of the above shootings (referring to Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the Giffords shooting - added) would have been stopped cold by an off-duty law enforcement officer or a law abiding citizen with a gun. The Fort Hood shooting would have been stopped cold by someone with a gun as well. The shooters in these situations depend on unarmed and scared victims. It gives them the power they seek. We could go on and on with examples of shootings that could have been stopped by someone with a firearm…. Calling 911 in these instances is obvious, but we all know that waiting on the arrival of uniformed law enforcement will ensure more people are killed, injured, or taken hostage" (emphasis added).

Brendan Keefe, a reporter with WCPO in Ohio (formerly of WZZM in Kalamazoo), made the following observation in a 2008 report advocating for a "single officer response" approach to active shooter incidents entitled, "When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers":

"Based on the Virginia Tech data, experts determined the first officer on scene should make entry immediately with an aggressive attack on the shooter. Every minute the officer waits for back-up, another three or more people could die."

Since the average response time to 911 calls around the country is somewhere between 18-20 minutes, this means that significant numbers of people have already been killed or injured before an officer calling and waiting for backup has even arrived on the scene.

Gentlemen, the objective data demonstrate conclusively that so-called carry-free zones do nothing to promote our safety. Additionally, they are a violation of our Second Amendment right to protect ourselves by carrying firearms, as has been established in at least ten SCOTUS and additional federal appeals court rulings. Further, there are no objective data available to demonstrate that Michigan CPL holders pose any sort of danger to the general public or that permitting them to carry in public spaces has led to the increase in shootings feared by opponents of concealed carry.

We have legislation currently pending in both houses of the legislature that would address these issues by allowing CPL holders to carry concealed in most places in Michigan. This incident should serve to demonstrate why our state legislature needs to stop playing political games, remove burdensome requirements, and pass these bills as soon as possible.

Sincerely,
 
Where were the CCW people? My guess is the audience was kids and teens, The Suspect is a 24 year old W-M.
From what I can tell so far, he was dressed up like the villain in the movie?
I read that the movie has taken very sadistic scenes to new levels, I guess with today's technology and special effects you can make a comic book look as real is reality. But of course that had nothing to with his intent, he will be painted as a right wing gun nut and the guns were the reason he went nuts.
 
My prayers go out to the families of the victims. Now look out for the condemnation of "evil guns", and "loose" gun laws. This will probably fuel a big push to ratify the U.N. arms treaty, because in their own words, "You never want a crisis to go to waste."
 
I can't speak for Colorado, but in Michigan it is illegal to carry in any theater complex with a total seating capacity of 2,500 or more seats. Regardless, Cinemark, which owns the theater in CO, has a no-carry policy and signs posted in all of its theaters. We can see how effective that was.
 
The latest report says that Holmes, the shooter, was wearing a bullet proof vest, a riot helmet, and a gas mask, and had set off a smoke canister. Someone would have to have been an incredible marksman or gotten ridiculously close to take him out under those conditions. An armed citizen might have been able to wound him sufficiently to stop the attack - if they could even see to shoot.
 
Didn't see this before trying to post my thread.

I can't believe no one else was carrying in a theatre with that many people. Due to our theatre selling alcohol I have to leave my gun in the car and the idea this could happen randomly scares me. I also wonder why there wasn't at least one person carrying in that theatre.
In NC you can't carry into an establishment or an event if you have to pay an admission.
 

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