This Is How An LEO Encounter Should Go

Treo

Treo

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No argument, no speeches , just "Am I free to go?'"
 
Absolutely. Practice the 5th. Why am I being detained? Am I free to go. Those dui check points are bs along with the bogus border stops 50 miles from the border. Where are your papers? Your papers are not in order
 
I'm pretty "pro-cop" but I dislike random stops and checkpoints. However, driving is a priviledge granted by the state and it's the state's/city's right to monitor their streets as they see fit. It's also the driver's right not to answer any questions. And it's nice to see LEOs who know the boundries of the law.

His engaging in a brief conversation probably told the cops all they needed to know (no slurring or incoherent babbling) but it would have been interesting if he had chosen not to speak at all. I wonder what the LEOs would have done in that case.
 
B2Tall said:
I'm pretty "pro-cop" but I dislike random stops and checkpoints. However, driving is a priviledge granted by the state and it's the state's/city's right to monitor their streets as they see fit. It's also the driver's right not to answer any questions. And it's nice to see LEOs who know the boundries of the law.

His engaging in a brief conversation probably told the cops all they needed to know (no slurring or incoherent babbling) but it would have been interesting if he had chosen not to speak at all. I wonder what the LEOs would have done in that case.
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Strictly a guess but all three cops got right up in his window I'm sure they would have smelled any alcohol on his breath
 
Axeanda45 said:
Very well behaved on both sides from what I saw in the video... The stop itself was NOT lawful though....
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The stop was lawful. SCOTUS has upheld random checkpoints and stops that are not discriminatory in nature based on prohibited classes (such as race, sex, etc.) but follow a non-biased pattern. For example, if you stop every car, every other, every third, etc. it is legal according to SCOTUS.

The fifth amendment also does not hold for alcohol related driving offenses since a drivers license is deemed a privilege and not a right and as part of the privilege, you agree to provide evidence against yourself or face penalty. This is why there are penalties for not taking (or providing evidence against yourself) an alcohol test when stopped for suspicion of DUI.

Unfortunately, there is nowhere left to argue these points as they've been handled by SCOTUS already.
 
BIGJOHN621 said:
The stop was lawful. SCOTUS has upheld random checkpoints and stops that are not discriminatory in nature based on prohibited classes (such as race, sex, etc.) but follow a non-biased pattern. For example, if you stop every car, every other, every third, etc. it is legal according to SCOTUS.

The fifth amendment also does not hold for alcohol related driving offenses since a drivers license is deemed a privilege and not a right and as part of the privilege, you agree to provide evidence against yourself or face penalty. This is why there are penalties for not taking (or providing evidence against yourself) an alcohol test when stopped for suspicion of DUI.

Unfortunately, there is nowhere left to argue these points as they've been handled by SCOTUS already.
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If and when ObaMao fills the bench with more of his left wing, marxist/big government, less than respectful of the Constitution, liberty slashing robes are you still going to quote their decisions as the way it ought to be?
 
Or this stop could have gone this way.

Officer- "Have you been drinking tonight?"
Driver- "No"

No arguing, no waiting for a supervisor, no playing games. But oh wait, I'm waiving my right to keep my mouth shut!!! Oh no!!
 
Yes desert, it is very American to lick the hand that infringes on our freedoms and stomps on our rights... What kind of fools are we to refuse our betters?


*sigh*


I swear, there are very FEW men alive anymore if this forum is an valid example of who we are as so-called patriots....
 
Axeanda45 said:
Nope, no warrant or probable cause.... NOT legal.... Do you drink all the coolaid the ones in robes give you?
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Very simply, you're wrong.

No need for PC. It's contract law. You take a DL and agree to the terms. There is no need for debate, just look it up. I'm not saying I agree, but that is the fact.
 
BIGJOHN621 said:
Very simply, you're wrong.

No need for PC. It's contract law. You take a DL and agree to the terms. There is no need for debate, just look it up. I'm not saying I agree, but that is the fact.
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What proof do you have that I have a drivers license? If I dont, That blows your so-called argument totally out of the water does it not? How do the police in one of those roadblocks know beforehand that I do or dont?
 
tuts40 said:
If and when ObaMao fills the bench with more of his left wing, marxist/big government, less than respectful of the Constitution, liberty slashing robes are you still going to quote their decisions as the way it ought to be?
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I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. Where did I say that that is the way it ought to be?

I quote their decisions because they are what we have to live with. You can disagree, as I do, but there is no recourse unless there is a different angle to reopen the SCOTUS ruling.
 
BIGJOHN621 said:
I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. Where did I say that that is the way it ought to be?

I quote their decisions because they are what we have to live with. You can disagree, as I do, but there is no recourse unless there is a different angle to reopen the SCOTUS ruling.
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There is a recourse..... Live as a free man...
 
Axeanda45 said:
BIGJOHN621 said:
I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. Where did I say that that is the way it ought to be?

I quote their decisions because they are what we have to live with. You can disagree, as I do, but there is no recourse unless there is a different angle to reopen the SCOTUS ruling.
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There is a recourse..... Live as a free man...
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I'd love to hear your definition and mode for doing that. Please explain.
 
Very simple, dont let them smell your breath (dont roll the window down), and dont answer their questions.... No law says you MUST speak or roll the window down... Got balls? I doubt it...



I doubt I have the balls to take it that far myself..
 
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