This is going to be some bad press for CHP's
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Itstjs
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Wow, Im sure that law has been around for years and the Media is just now digging it up. "Getting one online without ever firing a gun" we all know as a CPL holder we all go to the range and fire our weapon, or does going infront of some person and shooting 30-60 rounds at a piece of paper count as "firing the gun safely"
Tired of the Media kicking the legal gun owners in the pants. Tired of the Media peroid.
Tired of the Media kicking the legal gun owners in the pants. Tired of the Media peroid.
roguejesse
Jesse
Yellow journalism!
Virginia State Police - Resident Concealed Handgun Permits
The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence:
Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries or a similar agency of another state;
Completing any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;
Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;
Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;
Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;
Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties; or
Completing any other firearms training which the court deems adequate.
A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this subsection.
Virginia State Police - Resident Concealed Handgun Permits
The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence:
Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries or a similar agency of another state;
Completing any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;
Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;
Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;
Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;
Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties; or
Completing any other firearms training which the court deems adequate.
A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this subsection.
mrjam2jab
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Totally legal but is it safe?
They are saying that it's totally legal, but is it safe?
They are saying that it's totally legal, but is it safe?
S&WM&P40
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How would it not be? Standing in front of a target and shooting maybe a hundred rounds on a none moving target under no stress(other then you must hit the target to pass). How does that help someone? My native state of Vermont lets anyone carry till you give them reasons to say other wise. Yet again I have never read/heard of anything remotely negative happening. So again I ask why would it not be safe?
roguejesse
Jesse
The statement "Getting one online without ever firing a gun" is False. Just media hype. You go online to download the application. That's all you get online, only the application, NOT the Concealed Carry Permit.
You don't have to fire a gun to get a Concealed Carry application in Virginia (where this news video originates), nor any other State. But when you file your application (Virginia) you get printed, show proof of proficiency, ID, etc....
This is just like when they want to ban AR style rifles. The media shows you someone firing a M16 full auto; then they imply that you can go to any gun shop and buy one. Misleading the (gun ignorant) public, the difference between an auto and semi-auto rifle.
That TV News station should be called out on it, even letters written to the shows sponsors threatening a boycott of their products.
You don't have to fire a gun to get a Concealed Carry application in Virginia (where this news video originates), nor any other State. But when you file your application (Virginia) you get printed, show proof of proficiency, ID, etc....
This is just like when they want to ban AR style rifles. The media shows you someone firing a M16 full auto; then they imply that you can go to any gun shop and buy one. Misleading the (gun ignorant) public, the difference between an auto and semi-auto rifle.
That TV News station should be called out on it, even letters written to the shows sponsors threatening a boycott of their products.
BruceGAtl
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I was thinking the same thing Jesse. I live in Georgia. No range requirement, no training requirement in order to obtain your Georgia Weapons License.
Yes... you can go on-line to download the app... but that's as far as you get
without getting up off the couch, going into the Probate Court Office to
complete the paperwork and then to whatever facility is designated by that
county to get fingerprints done.
THEN.... then you get to wait for the background check to be completed and
the Probate Judge to approve your application.
This almost makes it sound like an on-line ordination... use your paypal to
make the $2 and download your license instantly... :fie: DOH !!!!
Nope - I don't see bad news.. sounds almost like home to me :dance3:
I hate the media...but with that said, their reference to the comment of 'without firing a gun' comes from this:
"Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;"
which is what you pasted..roguejesse
and its also #7 on the requirement list on the Virgina State Police website
is the wording and clarification of the law piss poor? Yes
are they bringing issues to light? maybe
is this anything new? No
Should this stupidity encourage those of us with knowledge to inform the public of how things are normally done and training,? Absolutely
take from it what you will...
"Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;"
which is what you pasted..roguejesse
and its also #7 on the requirement list on the Virgina State Police website
is the wording and clarification of the law piss poor? Yes
are they bringing issues to light? maybe
is this anything new? No
Should this stupidity encourage those of us with knowledge to inform the public of how things are normally done and training,? Absolutely
take from it what you will...
fireman836
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There is no requirement for hands-on training in Virginia. You are required to take a safety class that gives the basic safety procedures. The online class does this and you have to pass a written test at the end of the video to show understanding of the material.
You could sit in a class room and do the same thing. Still no requirement to handle or fire a firearm.
What WAVY 10's report was is yellow journalism. They were trying to stir trouble making it sound like all you had to do was go online and get your CHP. No background check, etc.. Also they left out that in Virginia if you can legally own a gun, you do not need a CHP to carry a handgun openly with no training requirement at all. That was an inconvenient fact for their trash piece.
You could sit in a class room and do the same thing. Still no requirement to handle or fire a firearm.
What WAVY 10's report was is yellow journalism. They were trying to stir trouble making it sound like all you had to do was go online and get your CHP. No background check, etc.. Also they left out that in Virginia if you can legally own a gun, you do not need a CHP to carry a handgun openly with no training requirement at all. That was an inconvenient fact for their trash piece.
roguejesse
Jesse
OK, I've reviewed the latest video. The commentator makes a good point" just because you have a gun doesn't mean you know how to use it". Which is also true with a car. There are millions of people that are on the roads that don't have a clue what they are doing. That 40 hour mandated car driving training doesn't seem instill good driving habits either; texting, tailgating, no signaling, excessive speed for conditions.
No matter what, government can't instill personal responsibility, be it driving a car, or shooting a gun. This is something the individual must take upon himself to do. Unfortunately much of society has been coddled by government, and lost a sense of personal responsibility. Parasitic lawyers have encouraged a litigious society, where someone else is to blame for their own stupidity. In merry Ol' England, a burglar got shot breaking into a house, and the home owner got penalized and sued by the criminal with the help of a government supplied lawyer. But I digress.
The 2nd Amendment allows you to have a firearm, it is your personal responsibility as an armed citizen to know how to use it.
Your driver's licence doesn't mean you're qualified to drive in the Indy 500, neither does purchasing a firearm nor getting the Concealed Carry Permit qualify you to be on a SWAT team. But to get to those levels of proficiency requires quality training, practice, and mindset. That is your responsibility.
No matter what, government can't instill personal responsibility, be it driving a car, or shooting a gun. This is something the individual must take upon himself to do. Unfortunately much of society has been coddled by government, and lost a sense of personal responsibility. Parasitic lawyers have encouraged a litigious society, where someone else is to blame for their own stupidity. In merry Ol' England, a burglar got shot breaking into a house, and the home owner got penalized and sued by the criminal with the help of a government supplied lawyer. But I digress.
The 2nd Amendment allows you to have a firearm, it is your personal responsibility as an armed citizen to know how to use it.
Your driver's licence doesn't mean you're qualified to drive in the Indy 500, neither does purchasing a firearm nor getting the Concealed Carry Permit qualify you to be on a SWAT team. But to get to those levels of proficiency requires quality training, practice, and mindset. That is your responsibility.
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