This is a email i got. I copied and pasted it so it may not work.


HK4U

New member
obviously hk isn't man enough to bet me. If you really feel threatened that they will be taken away then bet met somebody. Don't worry if i got the money man. My word's my word.

I put no stock in the word of anyone that would vote for Obamnation
 

HK4U

New member
thats what i thought. You got nothing new just like your party.


I have decided to take the advice of some of the others on this stie and quit trying to argue with a fool so I will fix it so I do not have to look at any more of you garbage. See you, wouldn't want to be you.
 

jwtollett21

New member
See ya HK. I wish you could handle a view other than a republican one but thats ok. Its been fun. I forgive you and will not call you any names. SOrry if i offended you.
 

Oregon Vet

NRA Life Since 03/1985
The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is Anti Gun.

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The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is an organization presenting itself as an alternative to the National Rifle Association, the most prominent Second Amendment advocacy group in the United States. While AHSA bills itself as a more moderate, common-sense advocacy organization, it is in fact a cleverly-named anti-gun constituency. Most AHSA founders are associated with the Brady Campaign, and it supports measures such as registration and restrictions on widely-owned semi-automatic weapons and handguns. It has thus gained the reputation of a gun control advocacy organization masquerading as a pro-gun group,[1] and in its own statements indicates that it was founded to more effectively promote the gun-control efforts of the Brady Campaign.[2] Its critics claim that AHSA is a front organization aimed at dividing gun owners by pointing to AHSA members' bias against private ownership of the most popular modern sporting firearms, and note AHSA leaders have donated money to gun control groups[3] and maintained ties to individuals and organizations who advocate gun control.[4] Despite the similarity in name, AHSA has no ties to the field marksmanship promoting organization, the Hunter's Shooting Association (HSA).

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[SIZE=-1]This is all an effort to mislead and divide the gun owning community and to dilute gun owners’ political impact. Anti-gun activists want to ensure that 1994 and 2000 never happen again. To achieve their goals they have created new organizations with names designed to confuse gun owners and hide the real agenda. The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is one of those groups.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]AHSA was created with the specific intent to provide political cover for anti-gun politicians by allowing them to claim support from a “sportsmen’s” group. In truth, the anti-gun credentials of AHSA’s leadership is well documented. For instance, AHSA president Ray Schoenke has a long history of giving political donations to some of the most anti-gun politicians, including Al Gore, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein and Ted Kennedy. In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (now the Brady Campaign) and the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation also made donations to the Brady Campaign. AHSA Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. And one of the leading organizers of AHSA is Bob Ricker, who has been a paid expert witness against gun manufacturers in a number of reckless lawsuits. (For more information, see Link Removed.)[/SIZE]

AHSA’s political activities are predictable when you consider its primary goals are to discredit the NRA and advance the interests of anti-gun politicians. AHSA's first effort was in the 2006 Missouri Senate race. AHSA used direct mail to mislead sportsmen and distort the landmark work NRA was doing to protect millions of acres of wetlands in Missouri. ...

AHSA would be more correctly called the “American Association for the Protection of Anti-Gun Politicians.” No gun owner or sportsman should fall prey to its carefully crafted lies and deceptions.

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Jay

New member
I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America.

I'm voting Democrat because it's better to turn corn into fuel than it is to eat.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've decided to marry my horse. Makes ya wonder why anyone would ever vote Republican, doesn't it?
 

sh2usn

New member
Remember, there are three stooges, not one. Barry, harry and the hippie bag from californa.
Believe me, gun control is on one of those dumocrat brains.
 

BoomChick

New member
Oregon Vet is right on this one folks.

The AHSA is a front organization for anti-gunners.:bad: They're the slow and steady erosion kind of anti-gunners.

As for the election. . . the only candidate with a truly traditional conservative agenda is Ron Paul (speaking from a political science perspective). He's conservative both with domestic and foreign policy in the classical sense.:yes4:

As far as the bet. . I think it's a little off target. You could never afford to repay me for the loss of a GOD-given right. :cray:
 

jwtollett21

New member
Why i don't agree with everything here I do appreciate all your opinions on this thread. Thats some good research Oregon Vet. I just seen it in my email and copied it and put it here to see what ya'll thought. I didn't look them up or anything. BoomChick i do like ron paul believe it or not. The best candidates can never get far it seems. Probally cause their not as corrupt as the others
 

mom of 3 angels

New member
As far as the bet. . I think it's a little off target. You could never afford to repay me for the loss of a GOD-given right. :cray:

Just getting to read this thread. Thanks for this statement BoomChick--my guns are just an object that represent an underlying ideal. I will not stand for losing my God given right to protect myself to the government--there is no price you can put on loss of liberty.

God created people with certain inalienable rights, some of these being life (including self protection), liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. People, in turn, created government to secure and safeguard those rights they already had before government was even established.

Government is out of line trying to go up the chain and decide for the people which of their God given rights they can and cannot have and how they can exercise those rights.

I don't know if Obama is actually going to take away my guns and/or my rights, but I know he'd like to if he could get the votes in congress to do it--he's said so himself. He'll have a fight if he tries and I think especially with the recent Supreme Court ruling it might take him a lot of work to get his full anti gun agenda passed, but I have no doubt he'll try. Rights can be eroded, infringed, micro-managed by the government, restricted, etc. to such a degree that they might as well have been taken away.
 

Glockster20

Clinging to God and guns
Just getting to read this thread. Thanks for this statement BoomChick--my guns are just an object that represent an underlying ideal. I will not stand for losing my God given right to protect myself to the government--there is no price you can put on loss of liberty.

God created people with certain inalienable rights, some of these being life (including self protection), liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. People, in turn, created government to secure and safeguard those rights they already had before government was even established.

Government is out of line trying to go up the chain and decide for the people which of their God given rights they can and cannot have and how they can exercise those rights.

I don't know if Obama is actually going to take away my guns and/or my rights, but I know he'd like to if he could get the votes in congress to do it--he's said so himself. He'll have a fight if he tries and I think especially with the recent Supreme Court ruling it might take him a lot of work to get his full anti gun agenda passed, but I have no doubt he'll try. Rights can be eroded, infringed, micro-managed by the government, restricted, etc. to such a degree that they might as well have been taken away.

Very well said!
 

jwtollett21

New member
well said is right. 100%agree with the exception of i think we will always have our guns no matter who is president
 

Oregon Vet

NRA Life Since 03/1985
Oh Lord, protect us from Obama

JW,... You have said in previous posts that you "have followed the election quite closely". My question is how? ...

About the only way a person can "have followed the election quite closely" and come up with answers/views like JW has is to only get perceptions from watching what they have been saying on TV or other focused advertisements.

It a person were to go on the Internet and do a small amount of research on either candidate, a persons views would have to change about what they find out from that research. A LOT more so with Obama than with McCain.

Obama is tied in with so many shady dealings, like his relationship with ACORN, which continued from 1993 until 2003, and his recent donation of $800,000.00 worth of his campaign money. The FBI is going into those states now, where ACORN has been registering people to vote and have found that as high as 83% of those registrations have been fake and fraudulent. They (the Obama people) never told you that on TV? Here:
ACORN Watch, Pt II: Obama hid $800,000 payment to ACORN through “Citizen Services, Inc.”


Obama is really good with the smoke and mirrors, he really presents himself well on TV, just like any good car salesman does.

BUT when you go behind the scenes he is using just about every way it is possible to tell an un-truth about what he stands for.

We have no way of knowing if money passed hands with this "NRA life member" between Obama's people and their (possibly) bought "NRA life member".

It is right in line with the rest of their tactics to talk about one thing regarding Obama and then (like in the video) start talking about jobs leaving the country because of McCain, whereas he (Greg West) should have been telling us how McCain stands behind the 2A and hunting.

I'm an NRA Life member and I KNOW where they both stand on hunting and self defense. How? Because I haven't just watched TV and their ads. I have researched both of them. Obama is anti gun and ready to force the largest tax increase ever onto us poor tax payers.


...As for Obama taking away our guns......
He says he wont. ...

Click here and read what Obama HAS said in regard to taking guns away. Read it all, so you get an understanding of how underhanded he is.

Will Obama do more to help the economy than Bush has done and Mccain will do, probablly. ...
YES! And how will he do that? By raising taxes, of course. Where do you think money comes from? From the tax payers.


Research, read how they have voted/acted in the past. Forget the TV ads... those are all smoke and mirrors for the people who have to have someone else make up their mind for them.

Be part of the 16% of the population that should be able to make up its (your) own mind.

Forget what they are telling you these last couple of months, LOOK at what they have DONE. Look at their record. Their vote record, their speeches.



 

jwtollett21

New member
i have brother and what i haven't i think people here have posted. Your right Obama will raise the top 4 or 5 percent of earners taxes. I quite frankly don't care. I make 25k so i will get a tax decrease. Obama is not pro gun but i take him at his words and feel confident in my state that no guns will be taken from me. I feel so strongly about that that i have got a bet going on another post begging people to take me up on it, yet no one will take me up on it. All they can do is throw up rude remarks. This election is simple for me. Mccain=Bush. He said himself he voted 90% with bush. if thats not enough to change your mind i don't know what is. I think its way over time to get our troops home thats my second reason for voting for Obama. I feel he is much smarter than mccain and know that he will do more for the laborers or blue coller people like me than any republican will. I could care less about the socialism rhetoric or spreading the wealth around. Mccain is spreading it too with his 700 billion bailout vote and considering the second stimulus. This is the epitamy of socialist. how can he go around pointing fingers at Obama when he's doing the same stuff. Hypocrit to me.
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
all thats good guys but taking our guns away ain't on his to do list. He's got to clean up after the last president all you guys voted in for the last 8 years. The economy, Iraq war, and health care, national debt, and the list goes on but that is enough to keep him occupied.
Let's see here. We have the big ten anti 2A Senators. Obama will rubber stamp any legislation that makes it out of Congress since a majority of the anti-2A Senators and Congresspersons are Democrats. We have a Dem controlled House and Senate now, add a Dem President and we're going to see lots of gun control legislation getting plowed through with little or no effort.

Obama won't have to do anything but sign the legislation. He doesn't have to do anything else but that. The legislative branch of the federal government does most of the work. The President just signs it into law or vetos it. Half the time the President doesn't even know what he's signing. That's how we ended up with the Hughes Amendment to the FOPA. We already have the basic framework of Nazi Germany here. The same circumstances with Hitler rising to power strikenly resemble what is happening now except our Hitler is named Obama. Germany was in a bad economic status at the time Hitler rose to power. Our current firearm laws are very similar to the Nazi Gun control laws as of 1938 with most of the framework being done in 1968.

Gun control is part of Obama's Final Solution.
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
whatever. If you feel he is going to take you guns away lets put a wager on it.
I live in Nevada. Don't bet against the house, you'll lose in the long run. :haha:

You also can't cover the wager as my collection exceeds more than what you make in a year. A smart gambler doesn't take wager that cannot be covered.
 
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tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Lets make a bet. If obama takes your guns away i will personally give you the value in money for them. If he doesnt' each one of you guys all buy me a nice pistol. Anybody want to take me up on that?

Much like many government programs, this is something that would be really easy to cheat on.
 
About the only way a person can "have followed the election quite closely" and come up with answers/views like JW has is to only get perceptions from watching what they have been saying on TV or other focused advertisements.][/I]

Exactly what I was trying to point out. Many listen to the campaign ads, which are nothing more than commercials, and give their vote to them. I wish that people would research past voting records and find out how the politician in question really feels on the issues.
 

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