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[kenn712]

This mourning my 3 year old granddaughter and I went to local convince store to by some candy and me news paper. When I was in the store I noticed a Hispanics guy with tattoos on his face chest and his arms. And then he walked up to me and said hey I haven't seen you in a while. and I said cause you don't know me. And then I paid for our candy and news paper and gotta out there fast cause I got a weird vibe from the guy. Well I got about half block away and turn around and the guy is right behind me and says" hey i need 5 buck can give me 5 bucks. I said yes I have $5 but I'm not giving it to you. And I must admit I was a little nervous due to the fact I had my granddaughter with me. And then he said I know where you live give the $5 and I will bring back to you. I then you don't where live and I'm not giving $5 . And then I told him to he had about 5 seconds to get away from us or I would defend my self and my granddaughter.
I don't know if did the right thing but I did have my hand on 380 LCP in my pocket I never pulled but was close I did the call the police and notified them of what happened and I did tell the officer I was carrying. The officer said to to keep carrying and I handle the situation well.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Only five posts in just over four years?
Spelling is atrocious too...
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I'm just sayin..... Ya know?


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

[Axeanda45]

other than the likely being a troll thing, I think if it is a true story that he did alright.... I wouldnt have called the cops afterwards though, but that is just me...

 

[kenn712]

other than the likely being a troll thing, I think if it is a true story that he did alright.... I wouldnt have called the cops afterwards though, but that is just me...

Axeanda45 this is a true and the only reason I called the police is maybe if the police catch him it might stop him from doing this or something worse?

 

[wolf_fire]

Personally... if this is a true event, I'm not sure why you had reached for your firearm. Did he physically threaten either of you.. or was it just a "vibe"?

Even if he had grabbed your shoulder and said, "hey, can you stop buddy, I need $5", that still wouldn't have constituted using your firearm or brandishing it.

If you had pulled it and he called your bluff, would you have shot an unarmed man?

I'm just asking more questions because none of us was there and you didn't convey any reason why you felt your life was in danger or that you feared severe bodily injury.

 

[kenn712]

Personally... if this is a true event, I'm not sure why you had reached for your firearm. Did he physically threaten either of you.. or was it just a "vibe"?

Even if he had grabbed your shoulder and said, "hey, can you stop buddy, I need $5", that still wouldn't have constituted using your firearm or brandishing it.

If you had pulled it and he called your bluff, would you have shot an unarmed man?

I'm just asking more questions because none of us was there and you didn't convey any reason why you felt your life was in danger or that you feared severe bodily injury.

I never brandished the firearm it remained in my pocket and he never even knew I had it. And yes if had threatened me or granddaughter I would followed stopped the threat. That being said why are there so many haters on here I just posted my story I thought that's this is for.

 

[MGB Driver]

That IS what this blog is for, and I applaud the outcome of this story and your having posted it. I also applaud your contacting the police to possiblly prevent the next story from this guy not ending so well.

 

[BC1]

This mourning my 3 year old granddaughter and I went to local convince store to by some candy and me news paper. When I was in the store I noticed a Hispanics guy with tattoos on his face chest and his arms. And then he walked up to me and said hey I haven't seen you in a while. and I said cause you don't know me. And then I paid for our candy and news paper and gotta out there fast cause I got a weird vibe from the guy. Well I got about half block away and turn around and the guy is right behind me and says" hey i need 5 buck can give me 5 bucks. I said yes I have $5 but I'm not giving it to you. And I must admit I was a little nervous due to the fact I had my granddaughter with me. And then he said I know where you live give the $5 and I will bring back to you. I then you don't where live and I'm not giving $5 . And then I told him to he had about 5 seconds to get away from us or I would defend my self and my granddaughter.
I don't know if did the right thing but I did have my hand on 380 LCP in my pocket I never pulled but was close I did the call the police and notified them of what happened and I did tell the officer I was carrying. The officer said to to keep carrying and I handle the situation well.

The officer is wrong. DEAD wrong. As a PP instructor I would say you broke the very basic rules. DO NOT ENGAGE BUGS! Do not speak, respond or converse. And while I too may have had a hand on my heater you would not introduce that gun unless there was an IMMINENT threat. What you described was not an imminent threat. DO NOT introduce a gun into such a situation. BTW, there was no need to even call the police let alone tell them you were carrying. There was no threat. Event was poorly handled IMPO.
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The first steps of personal defense... Awareness, avoidance, deterrence, de-escalation, withdrawal, retreat.
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Get some real PP training before your ruin your life and the lives of your family.

 

[Nightmare45]

True or not, never engage in conversation, walk away, avoid escalating the conflict, keep walking staying constantly aware. Peace, Love, Colt 45.

 

[POP CHARLIE]

I agree with MGB Driver, you did well and I hope you never have that problem again. Keep on carrying and be safe.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You did well in this situation, and everyone walked away unharmed. Good job. You were there and handled the situation the way you thought was best.

 

[wolf_fire]

I never brandished the firearm it remained in my pocket and he never even knew I had it. And yes if had threatened me or granddaughter I would followed stopped the threat. That being said why are there so many haters on here I just posted my story I thought that's this is for.

Hence the very next line... "IF YOU HAD PULLED IT..." Please read my entire post.

And what from what I wrote implies anything about hating you?

I'm still confused and was hoping you could clarify why your first instinct was to reach for (yes, you did not pull it out) your firearm.

I'm just trying to figure out why you reached for and put your hands on your firearm in this situation. Yes, you didn't pull it out. This was apparent to me and should have been to you from the very next line of my post. Hence why I also asked would you have been prepared to have used it on an unarmed person since you were so quick to reach for it?

You instead call me a "hater".

 

[tcox4freedom]

i agree with others- Never engage if at all possible to avoid it.

I had a recent encounter when I had to make a late night trip to WW to get a few things we needed the next morning. First, I try to completely avoid going anywhere after dark. (Mainly because I live in the country and having to go in town for anything is troublesome & time consuming.)

Nevertheless, I found myself in a rare circumstance and needed to pick up a few things (food items) that I would need before anything opened in the morning. Since it was almost 11pm, WW was the closest thing open. I decided to take my 14yr old son with me so I could keep my focus more on SA while he filled the cart & put the groceries in the car. I also wanted to give him a real life lesson about late night trips to town -vs- what he may encounter during the day.

Our trip to WW didn't disappoint in the lesson I wanted to give him. As we were leaving I noticed a guy dressed in a dark hoodie (in 80^ plus heat), parallelling us the next row of cars over and about 30ft behind. As we stopped to load our groceries, he walked up a couple of cars past where we were parked and circled back down our row directly towards us in a somewhat deliberate manner making a move to something in his pocket. Unfortunately we were too far away from the building to retreat back inside. The only thing I could do was place my son behind me and move to the rear of my vehicle to prepare to engage if necessary.

This guy was BIG (probably 6' 2" 275+) and prison yard solid. I still don't know exactly what he's up to until he gets about 15' from me and shifts to make a more direct approach toward me. I stare directly at him to take in a better description. When we make eye contact he appears to grab hold of something in his pocket. So, I blade myself and move my hand to the grip of my 24/7 45 sitting AIWB. When he sees my hand go under my shirt tail he stops and gives me a sly grin; then slowly turns away walking past me; staying 10' away or so.

I never engaged him in any conversation whatsoever. After he had moved at least 50' from us I told my son to get in the car and we left. When we were leaving I saw his accomplice waiting in a car ready to swoop in and pick him up. I slowly drove by them; pausing ever so slightly to give them a similar "sly" grin to let them know I knew exactly what game they were trying to play.

If I had engaged him in a conversation it only would have given him more reason to stick around and possibly made things worse. I know some would say I allowed him to get too close. I would even agree most of the time. But, keep in mind some BG's hide their intent a lot better than others. I never saw a weapon and he never said a word to me. Besides that, he was already within about 20 or 25 feet of us when he moved to make his approach down our row. (Wearing a hoodie in 80+ heat is not a crime; nor, is walking around a Walmart parking lot in the middle of the night.)


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[BC1]

I never brandished the firearm it remained in my pocket and he never even knew I had it. And yes if had threatened me or granddaughter I would followed stopped the threat. That being said why are there so many haters on here I just posted my story I thought that's this is for.

It's not hate. And the term "IF" has no place in the issue. We'd rather show you the proper response. Don't let anyone so close. DO NOT converse with bugs. You violated the primary rules of PP. Not something I'm making-up, but rather what is mandatory learning in any proper PP curriculum.

 

[noffie56]

I think you did good. You were there and you know how you felt. Some people find fault with everything. I guess they are perfect! Maybe they could show a little support for one of their own. But instead they have to knock you down. By calling the police, it shows the police and it's on record that the good guys with a gun is a good thing.

 

[Paco]

I think you did well. You did not initiate a conversation, but the guy was following you and basically, harassing you. You had little choice at this point but to speak with him. I don't think ignoring him at that point, with him making an effort to pursue you, was something that was working. And you were correct to have your hand on your firearm, without drawing it from its concealment or holster. This, because he was within arm's reach of you and the last thing you want to have happen is to end up mano a mano with this creep and to then have to get a grip on your weapon (this is apparently what happened to George Zimmerman and he almost ended up dead because of it).
I say, "Well done!"

 

[aacx22]

Personally... if this is a true event, I'm not sure why you had reached for your firearm. Did he physically threaten either of you.. or was it just a "vibe"?

Even if he had grabbed your shoulder and said, "hey, can you stop buddy, I need $5", that still wouldn't have constituted using your firearm or brandishing it.

If you had pulled it and he called your bluff, would you have shot an unarmed man?

I'm just asking more questions because none of us was there and you didn't convey any reason why you felt your life was in danger or that you feared severe bodily injury.

I think it's probably normal to feel a heightened sense of danger if we were with our small children, as opposed to by ourselves.

 

[BluesStringer]

I think it's probably normal to feel a heightened sense of danger if we were with our small children, as opposed to by ourselves.

The question by wolf_fire was intended to identify a legal basis for drawing his weapon, not for having a heightened sense of awareness for his surroundings because of the presence of kids.

 

[Paco]

I think it's probably normal to feel a heightened sense of danger if we were with our small children, as opposed to by ourselves.

I think that this context is important. TOP was in public with a minor child for whom he was the responsible adult guardian. He was approached by a stranger who wanted money. This is a DefCon 1 situation...no question about it. And if the goof is too thick skulled to appreciate this biological reality, then he fully deserves the Darwin Award he's buckin' for.

 

[telpinaro]

The only thing I would have said is "NO." That's the answer to pretty much anything I'm asked. No, I don't have the time, I don't have money, I don't have directions. The only other thing I would have possibly said is, "Please stop following me." Using the scary better-do-what-mom-says tone, of course. Depending on how threatened I felt, I'd likely have my hand on my gun, too. Discreetly, of course. If he recognizes where my hand went, he knows I'm not an easy target. I'm not taking any chances with my kid around, and I'll take every advantage I can get... I've seen the Tueller drill! It goes without saying that I won't draw until my life is in danger.