The Ten Commandments of Concealed Carry

Mas has been notoriously against open carry, which is why I brought up #6. Read the other part in #6: By letting others know you conceal carry you give them power over you and they may lead you into situations you should not be in. This means friends and co-workers too.


I can see his point up to a point I guess. I mean I don't hide the fact that I own guns and I hunt with my friends so even if I did it would be moot but I also don't go out of my way to let those same friends know when I carry. which isn't an every day occurance anyway.

Therefore, he is saying do not discuss firearms in any way shape or form with anyone else. If you talk about firearms, your friends and co-workers may lead you into situations you should not be in. Really? So this entire forum should be shut down according to what Mas says. I'm sorry, the man is not the be all and end all of firearms.

This is basically the first paragraph restated except for the part about shutting down this forum which is not the same as telling your friends, I could walk right by you (for that matter I could walk right up to you and introduce myself by name) and you wouldn't know me form a bar of soap


If his point was what you interpreted it as, then he did an extremely piss poor job of conveying that idea, because that's not what he said at all.

Or , with all due respect, your defensiveness WRT open carry caused you to misinterpret it

FWIW Mas is a frequent contributor on another forum I am a memeber of and I sent him a PM asking for clarification IF he responds I come back and tell you what he said.
 
Mas has been notoriously against open carry, which is why I brought up #6. Read the other part in #6: By letting others know you conceal carry you give them power over you and they may lead you into situations you should not be in. This means friends and co-workers too....
Mas didn't write that. Again, go to the link I posted. What the OP posted was a bastardization of what Mas originally wrote.
 
Mas didn't write that. Again, go to the link I posted. What the OP posted was a bastardization of what Mas originally wrote.

Finally got a chance to re-read that. It's definitely worded better, but he really isn't a fan of open carry, is he? Not a problem, really... just gives us his filter so we can take the worthwhile parts out of his advice.

And now I see where that "element of surprise" comes from! He didn't say it himself, but he quoted someone else. Funny they don't explain it at all! I'm wondering if it comes from the fact that they aren't likely to be picked as victims in the first place (former cop, semi-intimidating to begin with). If an (even a little bit... enough to say "not good victim") intimidating man is in a violent situation, maybe it's less likely that it will be a criminal sneaking up on him and more likely a face-to-face confrontation where having a gun could be a surprise? Just speculating here... If that's the case, though, they're ignoring a whole lot of the population!
 
FWIW Mas is a frequent contributor on another forum I am a memeber of and I sent him a PM asking for clarification IF he responds I come back and tell you what he said.

That "other forum" wouldn't happen to be THR? I only ask in jest because I already know that it is.
It's also the "other forum" that you DONT post on as "Johnny Dollar" right? Of course not, that's why you tagged it in your profile as such..
I see right throughout you. THR is a libtard paradise and anyone who speaks ill of Obummer finds themselves booted!
My question to you would be, "why come over here"?
Just to troll or is there another reason?


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.
 
Finally got a chance to re-read that. It's definitely worded better, but he really isn't a fan of open carry, is he? Not a problem, really... just gives us his filter so we can take the worthwhile parts out of his advice.

And now I see where that "element of surprise" comes from! He didn't say it himself, but he quoted someone else. Funny they don't explain it at all! I'm wondering if it comes from the fact that they aren't likely to be picked as victims in the first place (former cop, semi-intimidating to begin with). If an (even a little bit... enough to say "not good victim") intimidating man is in a violent situation, maybe it's less likely that it will be a criminal sneaking up on him and more likely a face-to-face confrontation where having a gun could be a surprise? Just speculating here... If that's the case, though, they're ignoring a whole lot of the population!
His experiences undoubtedly influenced his stance, and his experiences are obviously different from most of us. I can't say that I completely agree with him either, but he's not expressing anything unusual or out of the ordinary. He makes valid points that have been made by many members here in the past. Whether we agree with them or not doesn't make them any less valid. I was just trying to explain to folks that he didn't say and didn't intend what a lot of people are attributing to him in this thread. He isn't an enemy of open carry.
 
That "other forum" wouldn't happen to be THR? I only ask in jest because I already know that it is.

Yeah actually it's not, it's a brand specific forum.

It's also the "other forum" that you DONT post on as "Johnny Dollar" right? Of course not, that's why you tagged it in your profile as such

If you are trying to imply that I am the same Johnny Dollar that (actually no longer) posts at THR you clearly haven't read his posts. The "real" Johnny Dollar posts here under a different name and if you'd been paying attention you would have known that because he posts some of the identical threads
 
This is what was actually written:

Concealed Means Concealed
A very few people carrying guns for the first time feel an irresistible urge to let others see that “they’ve got the power.” First-time carriers and rookie cops, usually young in both cases, may fall into this trap. It is a practice to avoid for several reasons.

In most of this society, the only people the general public sees carrying guns in public are uniformed “protector figures,” such as police officers and security guards. When they see someone not identifiable as such, who is carrying a lethal weapon, they tend to panic. This makes no friends among the voting public for the gun owners’ rights movement—you do not make people into friends and sympathizers, by frightening them—and can lead to a panicky observer getting the wrong idea and reporting you to the police as a “man with a gun.” This can lead to all sorts of unpleasant confrontations.

Moreover, a harasser who has picked you as his victim and knows you carry a gun can create a situation where there are no other witnesses present, and then make the false claim that you threatened him with the weapon. This is a very serious felony called Aggravated Assault. It is his word against yours. The fact that you are indeed carrying the gun he describes you pointing at him can make his lie more believable than your truth, to the ears of judge and jury.

MCRGO, Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners, is directly responsible for getting reform concealed carry legislation enacted in their state, and has been in the forefront of fighting for the rights of armed citizens in that state. MCRGO’s Steve Dulan, in the organization’s Weekly E’News of 6/23/08, had some cogent points to make on the topic of private citizens carrying handguns visibly in public:

“Open carry of firearms, subject to MCL 750.234d, it is legal to carry a visible pistol in public. MCRGO has not adopted an official position on this subject,” wrote Dulan, who continued, “I agree with Ted Nugent and many others that it is a bad idea in almost every situation. Tactically, you are giving up the element of surprise should you face a deadly force situation. Furthermore, you run the risk of being called in to 9-1-1 as a ‘man with a gun.’ I have been on police ride-alongs when this call comes over the radio. It creates a very dangerous situation for all concerned. I do not carry openly. I have a CPL (Concealed Pistol License) and take care to choose a gun and holster that, along with appropriate clothing, allow me to keep my gun concealed unless/until I need it to save a life.”

As cogent and valid as Steve Dulan’s arguments are, it still makes sense to have legal open carry available as an emergency option. If the wind accidentally blows your coat open and reveals the gun, an open carry provision assures you have committed no crime. If someone who has not yet felt the need to get a concealed carry license suddenly begins getting death threats, open carry provides an emergency avenue of self-protection until the paperwork can be processed to acquire the license to carry the weapon discreetly out of sight.

I can’t argue that he is clearly speaking, if not against open carry, certainly in favor of concealed. However I also see an element of what I said that if you look like you’re just doing a piss poor job of hiding your gun you’re liable to cause more of a stir than if you just flat out open carried it
 
FWIW Mas is a frequent contributor on another forum I am a memeber of and I sent him a PM asking for clarification IF he responds I come back and tell you what he said.

He did respond and stated in no uncertain terms that he does support permitless (direct quote) civilian open carry but recomends that it be done in a careful and nonconfrontational way.
 
Concealed vs open carry is a personal decision, no one better than the other. Only negative for open carry I see us that it lets the bad guy know who he needs to eliminate first!
 
Letting people know you are armed allows them to react to that fact. Especially if you don't know THEY are armed. Now, they could attack you before you can draw your own weapon. Others who know you're armed could use that fact to threaten someone because "my friend has a gun and he's gonna get you if you mess with me. Or, they COULD try to talk you into a situation into which you don't want to be drawn. If no one knows you are armed you have the advantage of surprise. If the bad guy concentrates on the cashier you have the opportunity to draw before he knows you are armed. If he knows you're armed, he may concentrate his attack on you instead of the clerk. Another scenario for you: Someone sees your weapon and either calls the police, tells the store manager, or, best of all, points to you and yells "He's got a gun!" The first two bring a bit of a hassle, the last could start a panic. And, for that matter, calling the police could start a major problem, too. I believe it was the Police Chief of Chicago who said his officers are trained to shoot anyone they see with a gun. Most Policemen wouldn't over react like that, but, who knows.
 
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Another scenario for you: Someone sees your weapon and either calls the police, tells the store manager, or, best of all, points to you and yells "He's got a gun!" The first two bring a bit of a hassle, the last could start a panic. And, for that matter, calling the police could start a major problem, too. I believe it was the Police Chief of Chicago who said his officers are trained to shoot anyone they see with a gun. Most Policemen wouldn't over react like that, but, who knows.

Amerika: a place where the surfs are afraid of the action the police may take against them for perfectly legal behavior.
 
He did respond and stated in no uncertain terms that he does support permitless (direct quote) civilian open carry but recomends that it be done in a careful and nonconfrontational way.
I can't say I'm surprised. It seems like whenever someone assumes something bad about another person without actual evidence, it usually turns out to be untrue. I was having a hard time believing Mas would oppose open carry.
 
I can't say I'm surprised. It seems like whenever someone assumes something bad about another person without actual evidence, it usually turns out to be untrue. I was having a hard time believing Mas would oppose open carry.


I'm not about to put words in his mouth, he didn't elaborate on what he might consider nonconfrontational I assume he means the guys that go out and do it with the intent of causing a scene. Like for instance carrying an AR to Starbuck's.

He said essentially what I posted I think his exact words were "For the record I fully support permitless civilian open carry as long as care is taken and it is done in a nonconfrontational way." The rest of the PM was thanks for writing and stuff like that
 
I'm not about to put words in his mouth, he didn't elaborate on what he might consider nonconfrontational I assume he means the guys that go out and do it with the intent of causing a scene. Like for instance carrying an AR to Starbuck's.

He said essentially what I posted I think his exact words were "For the record I fully support permitless civilian open carry as long as care is taken and it is done in a nonconfrontational way." The rest of the PM was thanks for writing and stuff like that

Ayoob may not be against open carry, but in his traffic stop video he does advise people to waive their 4th and 5th Amendment rights to privacy and inform the officer about their lawfully possessed firearms and licenses/permits, even when not required to by law.
 
Ayoob may not be against open carry, but in his traffic stop video he does advise people to waive their 4th and 5th Amendment rights to privacy and inform the officer about their lawfully possessed firearms and licenses/permits, even when not required to by law.

Two different topics. I agree that if I didn't have to inform I probably wouldn't but then I can open carry but I don't unless hunting is considered open carry
 

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