The Staw poll is over. Now who?


weekendskp

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Ron Paul won't have a chance. He is a career politician -- 35 years in politics is just far too long. Just my oipinion, but I do not really think he is electable.

He would be electable if more people would quit saying, "He's fringe, and not really electable." Ron Paul is the only politician left in this country that I would vote for. He tells it like it is. He is a devout constitutionist. If it ain't in the constitution, he don't vote for it. He doesn't even waver on the issues. You won't hear him pandering to a constituency. This country needs more people like Ron Paul. Do I hear a boo-yah?
 

plainshunter

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He would be electable if more people would quit saying, "He's fringe, and not really electable." Ron Paul is the only politician left in this country that I would vote for. He tells it like it is. He is a devout constitutionist. If it ain't in the constitution, he don't vote for it. He doesn't even waver on the issues. You won't hear him pandering to a constituency. This country needs more people like Ron Paul. Do I hear a boo-yah?
+1! and a boo-yah!
 

BeauRyker

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He would be electable if more people would quit saying, "He's fringe, and not really electable." Ron Paul is the only politician left in this country that I would vote for. He tells it like it is. He is a devout constitutionist. If it ain't in the constitution, he don't vote for it. He doesn't even waver on the issues. You won't hear him pandering to a constituency. This country needs more people like Ron Paul. Do I hear a boo-yah?

Ok, one more time.....the man wants to LEGALIZE HEROIN, among other drugs. This alone, with none of his other freakshow ideas about foreign policy, guarantees he will not be elected as POTUS. And shouldn't be. Common sense.

Any of you willing to state right here on this board that it would be a good thing to legalize heroin?
 

sFe

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Ok, one more time.....the man wants to LEGALIZE HEROIN, among other drugs. This alone, with none of his other freakshow ideas about foreign policy, guarantees he will not be elected as POTUS. And shouldn't be. Common sense.

Any of you willing to state right here on this board that it would be a good thing to legalize heroin?

5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results: Scientific American

Five years later, the number of deaths from street drug overdoses dropped from around 400 to 290 annually, and the number of new HIV cases caused by using dirty needles to inject heroin, cocaine and other illegal substances plummeted from nearly 1,400 in 2000 to about 400 in 2006, according to a report released recently by the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C, libertarian think tank.

Why exactly do you think it will be a bad thing? People are going to use no matter what, it's better they have a safe and more sterile way to go about it. One less thing for gangs to profit from, less violence, and a source of tax revenue. Not to mention the various amounts of other products that come from the marijuana plant.
 

tattedupboy

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Ron Paul, despite having little to no chance of getting the nomination, is the best man for the job. Everyone else (possibly with the exception of Jon Huntsman) is either too extremist or too fake (Mitt Romney).
 

tattedupboy

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BeauRyker:220361 said:
He would be electable if more people would quit saying, "He's fringe, and not really electable." Ron Paul is the only politician left in this country that I would vote for. He tells it like it is. He is a devout constitutionist. If it ain't in the constitution, he don't vote for it. He doesn't even waver on the issues. You won't hear him pandering to a constituency. This country needs more people like Ron Paul. Do I hear a boo-yah?

Ok, one more time.....the man wants to LEGALIZE HEROIN, among other drugs. This alone, with none of his other freakshow ideas about foreign policy, guarantees he will not be elected as POTUS. And shouldn't be. Common sense.

Any of you willing to state right here on this board that it would be a good thing to legalize heroin?

As an affirmation of personal liberty, it is absolutely a good idea. Anyone who spends THEIR OWN money on the drugs and uses them in the privacy if their own home is hurting no one but himself. It does not benefit society to arrest them. Only when they resort to burglary to support their habit should law enforcemenrt get involved.
 

plainshunter

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As an affirmation of personal liberty, it is absolutely a good idea. Anyone who spends THEIR OWN money on the drugs and uses them in the privacy if their own home is hurting no one but himself. It does not benefit society to arrest them. Only when they resort to burglary to support their habit should law enforcemenrt get involved.
while I agree with your sentiment on personal liberty, isn't that an oversimplified way of looking at it? I mean, there are consequences of using drugs that do affect other people. Liquor is "legal" and in some instances, more than the just the drinker are affected. Way more and sometimes tragically. Do you really think that will be different with drugs, legal or not? I don't. So I don't really think that's a good argument.

Now as far as Ron Paul goes, I'm with the others who like him. He's the only one who sounds like he believes what he's saying. I'm very underwhelmed by most of the crowd, at least of those I've heard. Scratching my head over Bachmann. Newt doesn't have the temperament (but he does have good ideas). Haven't heard enough from Perry. I do like Cain also, but I don't think the GOP will give him a chance. So that leaves Ron, at least at this point.
 

BC1

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None of the above.
You do know your vote counts twice, right? Refusing to vote because you don't like any GOP candiate reduces the GOP lead over Obama by one vote. So a non-vote benefits anti-gunners, higher taxes, higher deficits, trade deficits and socialism. Obama's new tag line is "get it done!" Why doesn't he get it done. He's waiting until Sept to come out with his economic plan.

The bad sequel to a bad "B" movie... coming to America in 2012.
 

gunnerbob

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Good point about the the "legal" drugs... many are abused daily and are very dangerous. I think we should legalize, control the sale of, and tax weed like we do alcohol and tabacco. As far as it being a gateway drug... that's BS. It's up to the individual to decide if they want to pursue harder drugs. I've smoked weed before... and have never touched another "dime" or wanted to do hard drugs. It's BS...

Ask my sister if it was the weed or "her" that decided to do cocaine... she'll admit it was her own dumb choices.
 

gunnerbob

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Ok, one more time.....the man wants to LEGALIZE HEROIN, among other drugs. This alone, with none of his other freakshow ideas about foreign policy, guarantees he will not be elected as POTUS. And shouldn't be. Common sense.

Any of you willing to state right here on this board that it would be a good thing to legalize heroin?

I have to ask two questions. Have you ever done in depth research on Amsterdam and it's drug policy and state of their society? And two... is our country truly any better off fighting "the war on drugs"?
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
while I agree with your sentiment on personal liberty, isn't that an oversimplified way of looking at it? I mean, there are consequences of using drugs that do affect other people. Liquor is "legal" and in some instances, more than the just the drinker are affected. Way more and sometimes tragically. Do you really think that will be different with drugs, legal or not? I don't. So I don't really think that's a good argument.

Now as far as Ron Paul goes, I'm with the others who like him. He's the only one who sounds like he believes what he's saying. I'm very underwhelmed by most of the crowd, at least of those I've heard. Scratching my head over Bachmann. Newt doesn't have the temperament (but he does have good ideas). Haven't heard enough from Perry. I do like Cain also, but I don't think the GOP will give him a chance. So that leaves Ron, at least at this point.

Actually, it's a very good argument. We don't punish ALL drinkers for the actions of the irresponsible ones, and neither should we punish ALL recreational drug users for the actions of the irresponsible ones. All drinkers don't become wife-beating alcoholics, and all users of marijuana, meth, cocaine, and heroin don't steal from others to support their habits.
 

weekendskp

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5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results: Scientific American



Why exactly do you think it will be a bad thing? People are going to use no matter what, it's better they have a safe and more sterile way to go about it. One less thing for gangs to profit from, less violence, and a source of tax revenue. Not to mention the various amounts of other products that come from the marijuana plant.

+1
I don't smoke or use drugs (other than alcohol and some prescriptions{never at the same time**), but would reference the same study as sFe. Legalize it, tax it, take it out of the alley. The prisons in this country are overflowing with non violent drug offenders while real criminals go free because there's not enough room to house them. Evidence that treatment works better than prison can be found here.
A majority of prisoners (58%) are serving time for violent crimes.
Due in part to Proposition 36, which mandates treatment instead of incarceration for some drug felons, the number of prisoners serving time for drug offenses has dropped since 2000.
 

Chief1297

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Actually, not a good point. He doesnt want to legalize drugs. he wants to let the states decide...BIG DIFFERENCE.
 

Chief1297

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Ron Paul is to intelligent for most folks to understand. unfortunately, he doesnt do well when he only has 30 seconds to answer a complex question. If people would stop and listen to what he is saying, he may stop being misquoted so much. He doesnt want to legalize drugs or same sex marriage but let the states decide for themselves. He is the only one who can come up with real solutions to our problems. If you want small government or liberty, he is our only choice. Unfortunately, he has been relegated to the "crazy uncle in the room" status. This is because both political parties are scared crap-less of him and his ideas. Both would lose a lot in federal POWER and they cant let that happen. Next time he speaks, listen to his words without preconceived ideas. It is really a shame he wont win and only goes to prove that Americans are not ready to do what needs to be done.
 

BeauRyker

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I think I'll leave all the more "intelligent" people here to argue about this. I just don't have the smarts.
 

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