The sound of a pump action

[Deanimator]

I usually agree with what you have to say. But in this instance, you speak about criminals in a way that doesn't fit the majority of their fears.

NO plan I have is EVER premised on a criminal doing the sane, rational, smart or decent thing.

I live in a small apartment. I don't have the space or time to be fooling around giving people "second chances". Once you've illegally entered my home, you've made a choice. I'm not going to endanger MYSELF to protect you from the consequences of that choice.

Don't like that? Don't break in.

 

[wolf_fire]

I hear so many people say the keep thur shotgun mag loaded but not chamber loaded, and plan on the sound of their shotgun being racked to scare off an intruder.

What are your opinions on this?

I personally like my chamber loaded pistol for home defenses and don't think that many criminals who break into a occupied home would be scared of the sound of a shotgun.

I keep a round chambered in my Glock. I'm not betting I have that extra split second to rack it first. I share the same idea with my shotgun.

Trust me, looking down the barrel of any gun will scare off an intruder, and if it doesn't, that is the time to pull the trigger, not to make scary noises with the firearm.

 

[Bill Cavalieri]

Frankly when I hear a noise in the house, especially a loud one, it never even occurs to me to rack a shotgun or call 911. I grab a gun and run to the noise. I don't believe that the noise you make will scare them off, and I don't believe the sight or sound of a shotgun or handgun will make them run screaming into the dark. Defend your house and family or don't. There's nothing in between.

 

[Treo]

As most cops will tell you, clearing a house is one of the most dangerous things you can do. Many cops "die" in training, some more than once. If you think someone is in your house the safest way to go is hole up with your family, gun, and your cell phone and call 911.

IDK the way I was trained to clear a house it wasn't all that dangerous.

All you do is get your fire team ready throw a grenade ( a real one not a flash bang) through the door wait till it blows then kill every one inside of the house.

Alternatively you get on the horn and call the FSO.

where's the danger?

Seriously,

If you'd like an object lesson on just how dangerous it is to clear a house arm a buddy with an air soft and have him hide in your house. Now go find him

Trust me, looking down the barrel of any gun will scare off an intruder,

You would be amazed at how true that isn't

 

[Nightmare45]

While my two dogs are working on you I doubt you will hear my shotgun rack over your screaming.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I usually agree with what you have to say. But in this instance, you speak about criminals in a way that doesn't fit the majority of their fears.

NO plan I have is EVER premised on a criminal doing the sane, rational, smart or decent thing.

I live in a small apartment. I don't have the space or time to be fooling around giving people "second chances". Once you've illegally entered my home, you've made a choice. I'm not going to endanger MYSELF to protect you from the consequences of that choice.

Don't like that? Don't break in.

That's the distinguishing part. Once they are in my home I would just pull the trigger as well. In fact, I use the same load as you do, #4. But what happens when they haven't gotten into your home yet? What if they knock late at night, you answer by saying, "hello who is it" through the door. They just want to use the phone and when you say you will call for them, they start kicking at your door.

Criminals fear home owners with firearms. I didn't say they would do the sane, rational, smart, or decent thing, I said they fear. How are we using their fear to our advantage?

 

[BC1]

While my two dogs are working on you I doubt you will hear my shotgun rack over your screaming.

For the average burglar the sound of the dogs barking is enough to make them pick another house. If he makes entry despite dogs going wild at the windows then he means to do more than burglarize the house. And he'll kill the dogs to get to his victim. It's a very bad person who enters despite the dogs. I like alarms for that reason.

 

[Deanimator]

That's the distinguishing part. Once they are in my home I would just pull the trigger as well. In fact, I use the same load as you do, #4. But what happens when they haven't gotten into your home yet? What if they knock late at night, you answer by saying, "hello who is it" through the door. They just want to use the phone and when you say you will call for them, they start kicking at your door.

Criminals fear home owners with firearms. I didn't say they would do the sane, rational, smart, or decent thing, I said they fear. How are we using their fear to our advantage?

If you start trying to kick my door in while I'm standing there (ARMED), you're going to get the same warning that the Scotsman got in Houston back in the '90s. "Kick that door in and you'll be shot." If you want to roll the dice on that being a bluff, be my guest. Whatever firearm I have at hand will have a loaded chamber and be ready for use. There's simply no reason for me to NOT have a round in the chamber when I'm about to be the victim of a violent felony. "Come through that door and I'll shoot you." is MORE warning than any home invader or burglar DESERVES.

Again, you're free to break into somebody ELSE'S home.

 

[RobShield9mm]

if it's not ready to fire then it's not ready and neither are you.

dumbest post of year awarded to you my friend!!!!!

 

[Tucker's Mom]

dumbest post of year awarded to you my friend!!!!!

What sort of trolling reply is that? Can't you understand English?? Just asking...:angry:

 

[Deanimator]

dumbest post of year awarded to you my friend!!!!!

Only if you think that the way to be prepared is to be UNprepared.

I have a lot of goals in life. To be murdered by some atavistic beast because of my own unpreparedness and irresolution isn't one of them.

 

[Treo]

What sort of trolling reply is that? Can't you understand English?? Just asking...:angry:

Worth noting robsheild9mm showed up right after robiee666 (or whatever) said he was leaving the forum and they're both from CT.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm?

 

[Firefighterchen]

That's the distinguishing part. Once they are in my home I would just pull the trigger as well. In fact, I use the same load as you do, #4. But what happens when they haven't gotten into your home yet? What if they knock late at night, you answer by saying, "hello who is it" through the door. They just want to use the phone and when you say you will call for them, they start kicking at your door.

Criminals fear home owners with firearms. I didn't say they would do the sane, rational, smart, or decent thing, I said they fear. How are we using their fear to our advantage?

If you start trying to kick my door in while I'm standing there (ARMED), you're going to get the same warning that the Scotsman got in Houston back in the '90s. "Kick that door in and you'll be shot." If you want to roll the dice on that being a bluff, be my guest. Whatever firearm I have at hand will have a loaded chamber and be ready for use. There's simply no reason for me to NOT have a round in the chamber when I'm about to be the victim of a violent felony. "Come through that door and I'll shoot you." is MORE warning than any home invader or burglar DESERVES.

Again, you're free to break into somebody ELSE'S home.

I take it, when you say, "If you want to roll the dice on that being a bluff," and "again, you're free to break into somebody ELSE'S home," you are speaking indirectly about real criminals, and not me (FFC). I have no desire to break into someone's home illegally.

I feel, If I have the opportunity to rack another shell into the chamber, that it is giving ME the chance to defend my home without the legalities or damages done by shooting through a door, or fixing a door that was kicked through because I waited till they actually entered my home. Sure, it's also giving the criminal a second chance, but that is not how I see it. Again, this is in the situation the bad guy is attempting to break in, whereas a criminal in my home does not get a second chance. In fact, they don't even get a first chance, or a for warning, because when they entered my home they deserve absolutely nothing, and I have no need to rack a shotgun then since I keep it chambered all the time.

As another poster said, its a universal sound. I have no need to yell "kick that door and you'll be shot," when they can hear my firearm speak for me.

 

[JJW]

Personally, I have always felt as if "racking one in", is merely a good way of disclosing my location, and forfeiting my element of surprise. I count on the element of surprise, when available, as another tool in my tool box. And I am like a lot of mechanics - I don't loan my tools.

 

[fudo]

This can of course be taken to ridiculous extremes.

You should at least have a REASONABLE belief that somebody's in your house before you call the police.

OBVIOUSLY

In my home, there's no way for them to get in if I "hole myself up".

I'm not going to call the cops every time I hear a noise. One night about ten years ago, I heard a loud crash in my living room. Rather than hide under my bed and call the cops, I got a flashlight and my M1911 and went to see what it was. Turns out a shelf collapsed under the weight of a load of books, dumping them on the floor. Make enough calls to the police for that, and they're going to stop coming... of course I have no expectation that they'll come AT ALL. They have no legal duty to come in the first place.

You're right, Mr. Holmes, If you hear a noise, as a single event. You should check it out. If you hear a noise, followed by other noises, and this leads you to believe that an intruder or intruders is in, or about to be in your home, you should go to your plan and call 911.

 

[fudo]

IDK the way I was trained to clear a house it wasn't all that dangerous.

All you do is get your fire team ready throw a grenade ( a real one not a flash bang) through the door wait till it blows then kill every one inside of the house.

Not really an option in my house

Seriously,

If you'd like an object lesson on just how dangerous it is to clear a house arm a buddy with an air soft and have him hide in your house. Now go find him

Actually, me and several of my friends, do this in the dark, for training and fun.

People "die" almost every time.

My point is that as dangerous as it is to clear a house for police, with the training and weaponry and body armor available to them, it is even more dangerous for the average Joe with much less training, and equipment available combined with a desire to NOT start a firefight with full auto weapons in their homes, with their women and children present. That makes holing up with your loved ones, armed, and calling 911 makes sense.

 

[Tucker's Mom]

Worth noting robsheild9mm showed up right after robiee666 (or whatever) said he was leaving the forum and they're both from CT.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm?

Thanks for the heads up Treo...

 

[karle]

My long guns have mags full and chambers empty my handguns have chambers and mags loaded..... and honestly when something goes bump in the the night i grab a handgun first...... honestly I think that this whole "racking will make them run" is something gunstore owners came up with to sell shotguns....reason my long guns don't have loaded chambers is that long guns have move velocity and thus more of a chance of shooting neighbors....

I hear so many people say the keep thur shotgun mag loaded but not chamber loaded, and plan on the sound of their shotgun being racked to scare off an intruder.

What are your opinions on this?

I personally like my chamber loaded pistol for home defenses and don't think that many criminals who break into a occupied home would be scared of the sound of a shotgun.

 

[JimPage]

Keeping a shotgun chambered is a good way to blow your own face off though.

That is a ridiculous statement.

 

[titaniumman]

Shoobee; "Keeping a shotgun chambered is a good way to blow your own face off though."

Mine is generally pointed the other way.