It is important to remember that Mr. Baddie capitalizes on the element of surprise if he attacks us. Since action beats reaction, and we good guys and gals are forced to react to a spontaneous attack someone else initiates, we are already behind the speed curve. Therefore, the majority of our training and preparation should take this reality into account.
Are you speaking of this reality?
Which is precisely why I would rather proactively deter a criminal attack against me, rather than relying solely upon being able to defend myself against an attack that has already begun.
I'm no expert but I've read a few articles that recommended carrying concealed rather than openly. The jist of most of the articles point to the open carrier simply being the first target by armed thugs, or becomming the target of surprise from the rear grab attempts, both of which are prevented by CC. Just my .02, simply reporting what I've read, other than postings at a forum. To each his own however with each being armed with thier own set of beliefs and facts.
Believe whatever you want to believe Deserteagle. History, statistics and research simply present FACTUAL information which proves that open carry will deter the majority of criminals. No where did I say it would deter all crime. But why would I choose to NOT engage in a behavior that was more likely to deter a criminal than not? Especially based on a "you'll be shot first" argument which has no basis in factual history, research or statistics?
Comparing Joe Citizen carrying a firearm to a uniformed police officer carrying a gun is completely ludicrous.
Round and round and round we go! If we stop....... Nav LCDR wouldn't have anything to post! LOL!
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Deserteagle:224562 said:Believe whatever you want to believe Deserteagle. History, statistics and research simply present FACTUAL information which proves that open carry will deter the majority of criminals. No where did I say it would deter all crime. But why would I choose to NOT engage in a behavior that was more likely to deter a criminal than not? Especially based on a "you'll be shot first" argument which has no basis in factual history, research or statistics?
Comparing Joe Citizen carrying a firearm to a uniformed police officer carrying a gun is completely ludicrous.
Lets take a look at your "factual" information from history, statistics, and research. Where is it?
Oh an by the way, finding a couple stories written by journalists on the news is not research or factual.
Go back and check out the other 5 OC vs cc threads. Read them all. There are facts and statistics from navy in those. There is absolutely no factual information against it.
You say we will be targeted first, no real world examples though. We say we won't be targeted first, give actual examples that have happened in reality, that you write off as stories from journalist.
If you don't want to use examples, evidence, fact, stories, statistics, etc...and want us to just believe your word, you are the narrow minded. Not us.
The op article describes becoming aggressive as fast as possible as surprise. In that case OC can surprise the attacker as well. If it even gets to that stage of an attack, which is statistically low considering the criminal preys on the submissive. Which is also started in op article.
Yet none of those articles can actually cite a reference to where those incidents have actually occurred in reality. Amazing, eh? We've got the one gun-grab incident by the lunatic in the bar that is mention in the articles of this forum, BTW the carrier of the gun was illegally carrying his gun at the time. That's it.... one example where's it's actually happened. One incident in serveral decades. Yet some people like to theorize that it's going to happen to every open carrier.
That's not true! There is always, "Do you carry with a round in the chamber?" and "Do you keep your magazines fully loaded, won't that wear out the springs?" and "If I sell a gun to my mother's ex-husband's neice in the state next to mine, I can just meet them at the border and hand it to them since they are 'family' right?"
Just to "stir up the pot":I have often wondered, while reading the surveys mentioned above, how the answering of that survey would differed in results if, for instance, the "Surveyer" were to gain access to a BG gang HQ somewhere and propose the same questions to the assembled "soldiers". Would the "atmosphere" have the effect of drastically changing the resultant answers?
Well.... ALL conjecture! I simply don't envision a "Surveyer" ever attaining said "other side of the coin" situational access.
Just sayin'.
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But..... HE SAID *insert pet peeve here* !!!!!!!Think I said this already carry how you wish, horse is dead, no matter how much you beat him he will not rise up, take saddle and move on to NEW HORSE.
CC may cause the thug to re-think their plan to commit the crime because they do not KNOW if someone is carrying. Do they want to take that chance. The criminal may decide its not worth the risk and choose not to commit the crime.
Yeah, I kn ow...its a stretch.