The Irony

accidentalfelon

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I just don't get it. Hundreds of people on here proclaiming that they are willing to break the law when illegal gun laws are passed.

Where were all you guys when people like me were being jailed and prosecuted and stripped of their rights for doing the exact same thing?

How is carrying a gun for protection in a city where it isn't allowed by a clearly unconstitutional regulation any different from keeping your weapons when they are unconstitutionally banned?

You are all about to get a taste of what it feels like to have to live with your family unprotected. And deservedly so. You guys didn't care about the thousands who "lost" rights and even ridicule them because it didn't affect you.

If you cared about gun rights you wouldn't have condoned lifetime restrictions for others.

Karma. It's all yours. Own it

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Knowingly, illegally carrying a gun and getting busted for it is completely different than standing against the government creating a law that goes contrary to the Constitution and would turn an entire cros section of the American population into over night criminal. While the 2A does come into play in both scenarios, in yours the law was in place and you chose to willingly violate that law. In the other possible scenario the law does not yet exist and the government conspires to usurp the Constitutional right of the individual.

Completely different situations.
 
Knowingly, illegally carrying a gun and getting busted for it is completely different than standing against the government creating a law that goes contrary to the Constitution and would turn an entire cros section of the American population into over night criminal. While the 2A does come into play in both scenarios, in yours the law was in place and you chose to willingly violate that law. In the other possible scenario the law does not yet exist and the government conspires to usurp the Constitutional right of the individual.

Completely different situations.

If that makes you sleep better, keep believing it.

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I just don't get it. Hundreds of people on here proclaiming that they are willing to break the law when illegal gun laws are passed.

Where were all you guys when people like me were being jailed and prosecuted and stripped of their rights for doing the exact same thing?

How is carrying a gun for protection in a city where it isn't allowed by a clearly unconstitutional regulation any different from keeping your weapons when they are unconstitutionally banned?

You are all about to get a taste of what it feels like to have to live with your family unprotected. And deservedly so. You guys didn't care about the thousands who "lost" rights and even ridicule them because it didn't affect you.

If you cared about gun rights you wouldn't have condoned lifetime restrictions for others.

Karma. It's all yours. Own it

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Frankly, your username makes no sense given your admission.
 
If that makes you sleep better, keep believing it.

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I have no trouble sleeping at night. You are the one that broke the law, got caught and according to your threads, have lost your right as a LAWFUL citizen to keep and bear arms. The possibility of the government rewriting or creating laws that will usurp the Constitution is a far cry from a lone citizen willfully breaking an existing law. I have no intentions of getting into the same dog eared, tired, worn out argument you keep trying to raise at every opportunity on this board, just so you can try to justify your illegal actions.

Now if the government does somehow manage to enact a gun ban that would encompass me and I willingly choose to violate that law, then I will have to make a decision that is mine alone to make. But don't fret your little head, I will not be using your experience as a benchmark for my decision.
 
This kind of thinking is why you will lose your guns.

The majority spoke in November.

You will all either choose to be submissive soon, or you will face the same decision I did and become.. me,..... a pariah judged for exercising a God given right that has nothing to do with the government... an act that harms no one

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I just don't get it. Hundreds of people on here proclaiming that they are willing to break the law when illegal gun laws are passed.

Where were all you guys when people like me were being jailed and prosecuted and stripped of their rights for doing the exact same thing?

How is carrying a gun for protection in a city where it isn't allowed by a clearly unconstitutional regulation any different from keeping your weapons when they are unconstitutionally banned?

You are all about to get a taste of what it feels like to have to live with your family unprotected. And deservedly so. You guys didn't care about the thousands who "lost" rights and even ridicule them because it didn't affect you.

If you cared about gun rights you wouldn't have condoned lifetime restrictions for others.

Karma. It's all yours. Own it

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I've seen a few references to your situation, but lack any understanding of the details. Based only on what you say here though, I am sympathetic to the decision you made. I honestly do not get how someone willingly complies with "laws" that run counter to that which our Founders defined as deriving from God Himself. Even relying only on the law itself, there are hundreds of thousands of scholarly words devoted to the premise that an unconstitutional law is no law at all, this one being among the most oft-cited:

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it... No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it.
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And this is how Jefferson instructed his contemporaries and future members of the judiciary to decide constitutional questions:

On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
— Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), letter to Judge William Johnson, (from Monticello, June 12, 1823)

The available quotes from Founders and their contemporaries describing the original intent that Jefferson refers to above re: the 2nd Amendment, are voluminous. Everyone from George Washington to Samuel Adams to Hamilton, Franklin and Madison stated unequivocally that no man should ever be prohibited the use of arms. In a thousand different ways by a thousand different American Revolutionaries, the right to keep and bear arms was defined as an individual, fundamental, natural right of man, and that was a bedrock premise that led to the Constitution being ratified by the original 13 states. No way would it have been ratified absent either the 2nd Amendment within the Bill of Rights, or another way of guaranteeing the right within the body of the Constitution.

Washington, in his Farewell Address, said the following:

If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.
— George Washington, Link Removed, 1796

This government is already destroyed. Washington et al were seers. Only in the context of a massive failure of this government under the Constitution they fought, killed and died for to create could a citizen be made a felon for keeping arms to protect himself and his family. Any so-called "supporter" of the 2nd Amendment who cannot understand that is not a citizen, they are a subject. Someone with a black robe tells you it's a "law," and you follow it, no questions asked. Someone wearing a government-issued gun and costume denoting authority, and you obey them, no questions asked. Then when someone stands up to this same usurpation, you impugn them, you call them names, you ridicule them, you draw straw-man parallels and say you'll cross that bridge in your own way when you come to it, while spouting platitudes about legalities and laws that, if the supreme law were actually being followed, would be no laws at all.

One of Madison's many quotes on the subject of constitutional originalism:

Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.
— James Madison

I am truly amazed that any semblance of original meaning for the 2nd Amendment survived as long as it did. So many damned sheep have gotten used to benevolent wolves running them. You have trained yourselves. When the wolves stop being benevolent, which they will decide for their own purposes and on their own schedule and by the means only they choose, you will no longer be sheep....you'll be trained sitting ducks.

Like I said, I don't know the details of accidentalfelon's case, but I definitely know the irony of which he speaks in his OP. A future unconstitutional "law," or an existing unconstitutional "law," it makes no difference. Neither are law according to the men who wrote our supreme set of laws, and no man is bound to obey it, nor is any court authorized to enforce it. Only two kinds of people disagree with that; sheep and the tyrants who own them.

Blues
 
We are a nation of laws. If you choose to break them, that is your decision and you get to pay the consequences.

Accidentalfelon still disagrees about losing his rights for breaking the law, although he willingly and knowingly broke the law, and by doing so, accepted the consequences.

I dont agree with laws that limit our right to own and carry guns, but I dont plan on breaking the law without accepting the consequences of doing so. Part of accepting the consequences by willfully violating the law means not complaining about the consequences.

Every decision has consequences. You knew you might lose your right to own a gun, but when you decided you would break the law, you didnt care, which is very impulsive and immature. It takes a mature person to carry a gun.
 
We are a nation of laws. If you choose to break them, that is your decision and you get to pay the consequences.

Accidentalfelon still disagrees about losing his rights for breaking the law, although he willingly and knowingly broke the law, and by doing so, accepted the consequences.

I dont agree with laws that limit our right to own and carry guns, but I dont plan on breaking the law without accepting the consequences of doing so. Part of accepting the consequences by willfully violating the law means not complaining about the consequences.

Every decision has consequences. You knew you might lose your right to own a gun, but when you decided you would break the law, you didnt care, which is very impulsive and immature. It takes a mature person to carry a gun.

Once again that is false. It was a $600 misdemeanor at the time. I was a licensed private investigator with a CWP in two states. I researched it before I went there and had my $600 fee for carrying with me in case I was caught. Much like the fee one pays for going over the speed limit. But going over the posted speed limit isn't likely to cost you your life, where going unarmed in a large city at night might.

They told me they were going to make an example of me and made up charges. I was too young and dumb so I accepted a plea that was to reduce to a misdemeanor after probation. It took me over twenty years to get it straight, partly from help from guys on this board.



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This kind of thinking is why you will lose your guns.

The majority spoke in November.

You will all either choose to be submissive soon, or you will face the same decision I did and become.. me,..... a pariah judged for exercising a God given right that has nothing to do with the government... an act that harms no one

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The majority did not speak in Nov. In fact, the vote of the majority is an unknown. Why? Because only 60% of eligible voters voted and only ~52% of those who voted, voted for 0bama. That means he only got 31.2% of eligible voter's votes. No majority and no mandate as the Republicans kept the House. No change does not equal a mandate.
 
We are a nation of laws. If you choose to break them, that is your decision and you get to pay the consequences.

Accidentalfelon still disagrees about losing his rights for breaking the law, although he willingly and knowingly broke the law, and by doing so, accepted the consequences.

I dont agree with laws that limit our right to own and carry guns, but I dont plan on breaking the law without accepting the consequences of doing so. Part of accepting the consequences by willfully violating the law means not complaining about the consequences.

Every decision has consequences. You knew you might lose your right to own a gun, but when you decided you would break the law, you didnt care, which is very impulsive and immature. It takes a mature person to carry a gun.

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it... No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it.
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There's the law.
 
The majority did not speak in Nov. In fact, the vote of the majority is an unknown. Why? Because only 60% of eligible voters voted and only ~52% of those who voted, voted for 0bama. That means he only got 31.2% of eligible voter's votes. No majority and no mandate as the Republicans kept the House. No change does not equal a mandate.
And that's not counting the dead voters, the illegal voters, the uncounted votes, and other Chicago-style election procedures.
 
The irony of this, is that I could have easily been in the same boat, had I ever been 'caught'.

As a former OTR trucker, and before I got 'legalized', I was always armed when out on the road....wouldn't have ever considered otherwise.... I was often sent into places that to do otherwise, would have been total foolishness.

I depended in those days, on my BOR 2nd, and my state's own Constitution to allow me to do so, regardless of other states and cities overbearing 'laws'....Luckily I never had to defend myself for doing so. Nor did I ever have to use my weapon in a SD situation.

"...the Right to keep and BEAR arms (bear being the keyword here) shall not be INFRINGED"

The Constitution, and BOR supersedes any and all lesser laws and regulations.....PERIOD. (14th amendment and USSC ruling).

There, but for the Grace of God, go I.

Please have a little compassion for this man who lost his rights in one of the 'secular, progressive' run states, where they have little to no understanding of the 2nd, or just don't give a d a m n, and often force their will on free US citizens that happen to enter their jurisdiction.

I still do, and always will, live by the rules our founders granted us, and if pushed, will fight to the death to defend the USC and the BOR.

A promise, not meant as a threat....

FLc
 
Here's the thought process: a law that in form, is validly passed is presumed to be law until and unless declared unconstitutional. In the meantime, it can be enforced. No individual can unilaterally deem a law unconstitutional and refuse to obey it, without being willing to pay the consequences. Accidentialfelon, Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hup and countless others have paid a price for allowing this travesty of justice, the God given right to protect ourselves, to happen in the first place. We the People allow ourselves to be sidetrack when it's guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution to not encroach, breach, or violation of a right, law, regulation, or contract, I.e., ...infringed!

Research Dr. Hupp, read The Six Things Americans Should Know About the Second Amendment, by Richard W. Stevens and Question: Unconstitutional Official Acts (16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256) - THR
 

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