The Federal Government is Accomplice in School Shooting

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December 14th, 2012
The Federal Government is Guilty Accomplice in School Shooting in Newtown Connecticut

There has been a horrendous mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. At this time, 27 people are reported dead, most of them children.

Twenty Children Died in Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting - ABC News

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This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere. It is disturbing and sick that the federal government so hates the right of the American people to bear arms, and so hates their natural right to self defense, that the government insists on making them helpless, disarmed victims for anyone who cares to kill them. And in this case, all of the teachers and staff were willfully disarmed by the Federal Government, by force of law and threat of prison, to ensure that they would be disarmed and incapable of saving the lives of the children entrusted to their care.

That makes the Federal Government complicit in the deaths of these children, and in fact an accessory to their mass murder, by forcibly disarming (with the very real threat of prison) all the teachers, all the staff, and any parent who may have been on school property. That stupid law guaranteed the shooters would meet no immediate armed resistance, which is exactly what is needed to stop such an attack.

In such a shooting (as in every criminal attack), seconds count, and the people best positioned to stop the attack are the people on the scene – the intended victims and/or their care-takers. In this case, that would mean the teachers and staff of the school who were responsible for the well-being of those children, and also the parents, who should have the ability to save the lives of their own children as they take them to and from school.

The police cannot, and do not arrive in time to stop such shooters from killing large numbers of people. They are a slow reactive force compared to an armed citizen on the scene. This should be common sense, as it is obvious that in the immediacy of a criminal attack, it is the intended victims (or their immediate care-takers) who are there, in position to put a stop to the attack, if they are capable. And being capable means being armed, trained, willing, and able to use deadly force, right then, right there. Anything less leads to what we saw here.

But no doubt the rabid anti-gun government supremacists will use this to further their agenda to disarm the American people, totally ignoring that obvious, plain-as-day truth. Anti-gun nuts trust the government with guns, but not the people, and insist that the lowly citizen must be disarmed and helpless in the face of murderous assault, and must wait on slow responding armed government employees, who will not be there when the attack starts, and most often can only really clean up the horrendous crime scene afterwards and maybe, just maybe apprehend a shooter who has chosen not to kill himself (as they usually do).

The bottom line is that these teachers and staff at the Sandy Hook Elementary School were incapable of keeping these children safe, and incapable of defending them. And one of the biggest reasons they were so incapable and unprepared to save the lives of the children entrusted to their care is because the anti-gun nuts and their fellow travelers in government insisted on disarming every adult in the vicinity, by threatening them with prison time – EXCEPT the gunmen, who don’t care about the law and thus were not disarmed. laws against carrying weapons in schools don’t stop evil men with murderous intent. Such laws only disarm the law abiding and virtuous, who are now rendered incompetent to defend the precious children in their care.

This is disgusting. And yet another reason to home-school. Why would you want to leave your children helpless, in the hands of adults who are themselves helpless, and incapable of defending them, by government decree? For all we know, one of the teachers may have been a veteran, with the training and skill to use a firearm if one had been available. But all the teachers and staff, whatever their ability with firearms, were stripped of the choice and chance to save the lives of these kids.

There are more good guys than bad guys in the world. But the good guys need to be able to stop the bad guys, and that means they need to be armed so they can stop the bad guys on the spot, without having to wait for “official” government approved good guys to respond. Trust the teachers with arms so they can save the lives of their students.

Until the adults are allowed to actually act like adults, and defend themselves and their students, this kind of willful killing will continue to happen, and the federal government will in each case be a guilty party to the conspiracy by ensuring that the targets are disarmed.

Until this changes, you should refuse to give your children over to government schools lorded over by a Federal Government so callous and indifferent to their safety and lives.
Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers
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Thank you, Stewart, for your honesty, for being so articulate, and for founding Oathkeepers. May God once again bless America with real leadership!
 
The school in our county has an active rumor of a violent event scheduled for 12/21. The officials of the school say they are addressing it and investigating, stating that our kids is their number one safety.

As mentioned here, I'm not sure what that safety mechanism is. They do have one armed uniform police, but I think just maybe my kids will get an extra day of vacation.
 
So what who should carry then teachers, principal, janitors. Your an idiot let people morn. The blame is the one who didn't lock up the guns so that a autistic person could not get to them. Yes the one that shot every one was autistic is what they are saying now. Get your facts right and dont just spout garbage children died and this is what you have to say. You are a disgrace and live in fear which you try to spread to others.This guy blames the government not who is responsible. So lets run it his way they said it took about 3 minutes for all this to happen. Half assed trained security guard with a gun runs down hall bust into the class room. Shoots misses now he is 28 Be greatful to god that it was not your family i am. But i feel for them my world would end if it were one of mine. Let the facts come out then place blame you will see. Definition of IDIOT-An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. By definition it is right there.

I believe it was Abe Lincoln that once said, "It is better to remain silent and allow others to believe you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
You should pay attention to that.
 
All the feel good legislation in the world is not going to protect your kids or grandkids in places that have become "soft targets" due to legislation. I feel terrible for those families who have lost their children, but I'm also a realist when it comes to protecting our own. In a situation like this latest in Connecticut, the movie theater in Aurora, CO, there were laws or ordinances in place which prevented anyone, including those who are trained and qualified, to intervene.

It is my understanding that in the Aurora theater, one of the audience members was an off-duty police officer who left his weapon at home to comply with the law. In this case, the shooter took over fifteen minutes to inflict as much death as he could. I'm not sure of all the details, but didn't his gun jam at one point? Would this have been an opportunity for a trained officer to intervene if armed? True, he may have become a casualty anyway, but isn't a small chance of success at stopping the threat better than no chance at all?

So, if the half-assed trained security guard referred to in a prior post had intervened, maybe he does miss, maybe he doesn't. Or if he does miss and distracts the shooter, is that long enough for some of those 26 to escape elsewhere or secure their room? Instead, their only option was to cower in fear, unable to even think about protecting themselves.....all a result of the "feel good" legislation. I personally know teachers and administrators who own guns and are proficient in their use. If my kids were there, I would have preferred to see any one of them in that school than have NO defense.

You can say that anyone who believes these laws have contributed to these "unintended consequences" are all idiots, dolts, or any other adjective you can think of, but the reality is that the police(government) will always arrive in minutes when seconds count. So, I would prefer to have someone...anyone...there to intervene when the SHTF. A small chance of survival sure trumps no chance in my book.

My heart goes out to the families in Connecticut who lost children as well as those who's children will never be the same. BUT, I must agree that our liberal feel good laws may have somehow contributed to creation of 'soft target' killing zones. The mass murderers sure have been able to find them. So, while the President and Atty Genl say we must have a conversation, I say, yes we do! It's about time we told them that we don't want our kids to be another "target" in the shooting range which we so visibly advertise on signage as "gun free zones".
 
We let it happen

I said this before and I am going to say it again.

We need to put the blame where it belongs, we are in a world that no longer believes in Reality we are in a new world formed by a school systems and a Government that cares more about a teachers pay, unions, and votes than the life and education of a child.

A world that has dumbed down students for the past 50 years in order to achieve their goals.
Where everyone gets a trophy, where there is no longer any right or wrong and the value of a life is no longer sacrate.

Where American Goodness is no longer proclaimed and its failures are expedited.

Where a very simple Constitution that has protected We The People for over 200 hundred years can no longer be understood.

Where we can no longer display a cross without being sued.

Where Family is awarded for separation and paid well for each illegitimate child.

Where God and Love of Country have been removed from the public classroom and replaced with Environmental Worship, Global Warming, Entitlement, Civil Rights, Political Correctness, Multi Culturalism, and all other goals of Marxism in General.

Where we vote for a President that sheds a tear for the loss of 20 innocent lives but voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act four times, repealed the pro-life “Mexico City Policy”, spent half a billion dollars so American families are forced to pay tax dollars to the nation’s largest abortion provider "Planned Parenthood" that kills a child every 95 seconds, and gave us the HAS mandate that will force all Americans to fund abortion and contraception, with no exceptions for religious institutions or religious individuals who are vehemently against abortion and contraception.

I still remember and many will never know the life of yesterday where our Fathers worked hard to provide for their family.

Prior to the Great Society when Family was more important than Government Hand Outs.

When Mothers woke us in the morning with a hot breakfast, packed a good lunch, sent us off to school and didn't have to worry if we would return to set down together for supper that evening.

We attended a school where we lost, won, failed, passed, had fights, became friends, where shotgun were set in the corner so we could rabbit hunt on the way home, and no one died.

When our bus drivers, teachers and principles would jerk us up and maybe give us a few waks, and when we got home Dad gave us a couple more for good measure.

We have let it happen?
Chuck
 
So what who should carry then teachers, principal, janitors. Your an idiot let people morn. The blame is the one who didn't lock up the guns so that a autistic person could not get to them. Yes the one that shot every one was autistic is what they are saying now. Get your facts right and dont just spout garbage children died and this is what you have to say. You are a disgrace and live in fear which you try to spread to others.

Shoobee is that you? LOL
 
All the feel good legislation in the world is not going to protect your kids or grandkids in places that have become "soft targets" due to legislation. I feel terrible for those families who have lost their children, but I'm also a realist when it comes to protecting our own. In a situation like this latest in Connecticut, the movie theater in Aurora, CO, there were laws or ordinances in place which prevented anyone, including those who are trained and qualified, to intervene.

It is my understanding that in the Aurora theater, one of the audience members was an off-duty police officer who left his weapon at home to comply with the law. In this case, the shooter took over fifteen minutes to inflict as much death as he could. I'm not sure of all the details, but didn't his gun jam at one point? Would this have been an opportunity for a trained officer to intervene if armed? True, he may have become a casualty anyway, but isn't a small chance of success at stopping the threat better than no chance at all?

So, if the half-assed trained security guard referred to in a prior post had intervened, maybe he does miss, maybe he doesn't. Or if he does miss and distracts the shooter, is that long enough for some of those 26 to escape elsewhere or secure their room? Instead, their only option was to cower in fear, unable to even think about protecting themselves.....all a result of the "feel good" legislation. I personally know teachers and administrators who own guns and are proficient in their use. If my kids were there, I would have preferred to see any one of them in that school than have NO defense.

You can say that anyone who believes these laws have contributed to these "unintended consequences" are all idiots, dolts, or any other adjective you can think of, but the reality is that the police(government) will always arrive in minutes when seconds count. So, I would prefer to have someone...anyone...there to intervene when the SHTF. A small chance of survival sure trumps no chance in my book.

My heart goes out to the families in Connecticut who lost children as well as those who's children will never be the same. BUT, I must agree that our liberal feel good laws may have somehow contributed to creation of 'soft target' killing zones. The mass murderers sure have been able to find them. So, while the President and Atty Genl say we must have a conversation, I say, yes we do! It's about time we told them that we don't want our kids to be another "target" in the shooting range which we so visibly advertise on signage as "gun free zones".

Excellent post and exactly right on.
 
So what who should carry then teachers, principal, janitors. Your an idiot let people morn. The blame is the one who didn't lock up the guns so that a autistic person could not get to them. Yes the one that shot every one was autistic is what they are saying now. Get your facts right and dont just spout garbage children died and this is what you have to say. You are a disgrace and live in fear which you try to spread to others.
English is your second language, huh? Don't worry. You'll catch on soon enough.
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This guy blames the government not who is responsible. So lets run it his way they said it took about 3 minutes for all this to happen. Half assed trained security guard with a gun runs down hall bust into the class room. Shoots misses now he is 28 Be greatful to god that it was not your family i am. But i feel for them my world would end if it were one of mine. Let the facts come out then place blame you will see. Definition of IDIOT-An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. By definition it is right there.
"This guy" didn't blame anyone. First of all, it was a paste from another web site, not something anyone here said. Secondly, it didn't blame the government. It said they were complicit. Since English isn't your strong suit, maybe you should look that up. And it's possible to disagree with a post without being a complete d1ck. Otherwise you might get a truly sarcastic response in return. Now we wouldn't want that, would we?
 
That part where the president wipes a "tear" from his eye? Really? Totally fake. When you're standing, tears don't come out of your eyebrows.
 
"The Federal Government is Guilty Accomplice in School Shooting in Newtown Connecticut"

I think you might be mistaken. Federal Gun Free School Zone Act "...does not apply to the possession of a firearm (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State". States can thus allow licensed carry in school zones.
 
"The Federal Government is Guilty Accomplice in School Shooting in Newtown Connecticut"

I think you might be mistaken. Federal Gun Free School Zone Act "...does not apply to the possession of a firearm (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State". States can thus allow licensed carry in school zones.
This is from Wiki

State reciprocity agreements

Although the Federal GFSZA does provide an exception for an individual licensed to carry a firearm, this exception only applies in the State that physically issued the permit.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP] Forty-nine States, all but Illinois, have provisions to issue concealed carry permits to citizens.[SUP][16][/SUP] Most of these States also enter into reciprocity agreements with other States where each State agrees to recognize the other's concealed carry permits.[SUP][16][/SUP] Because the Federal GFSZA requires the permit be issued by the State which the school zone is in, it is difficult for a permit holder to travel outside their State of issuance to a reciprocating State without violating the Federal GFSZA.[SUP][
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990#Prohibition_of_unlicensed_carry
 
"The Federal Government is Guilty Accomplice in School Shooting in Newtown Connecticut"

I think you might be mistaken. Federal Gun Free School Zone Act "...does not apply to the possession of a firearm (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State". States can thus allow licensed carry in school zones.
They can allow it, but Connecticut didn't, which was the premise of the OP's claim.
 
The President warned us a long time ago about clinging to Our Guns and Bibles

Ex-con turned sniper killed two firefighters and left a note saying "I do what I like doing best, killing people" before setting the house on fire where he lived with his sister inside.

So now we have another shooting and the media doesn't focus on the nut case that killed his Grand Mother with a hammer, just like the last nut case that killed his Mother, their focus is on the President's agenda, assault rifles.

"a .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26".

"The assault rifle was believed to be the weapon that struck down the firefighters".

"Washington Post/ABC News poll published last week, following the Connecticut shooting, showed 54 percent of Americans now favor stronger restrictions".

They really need to recognize what has become very evident in all of these shootings,

We have crazy people among us.

They attack in gun free zones or where they know no one is armed.

Mass shooting take time when seconds count the police are only minuets away.

When confronted the shooters either give up or kill themselves.

Only honest law abiding Americans have concealed carry permits.

The President warned us a long time ago about clinging to Our Guns and Bibles.

He is doing his best to remove both.
 
He is doing his best to remove both.
Remove them from us, but not from the criminals. The solution has been staring them in the face for years.
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When mass killers meet armed resistance.
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It took place at a university in Virginia. A student with a grudge, an
immigrant, pulled a gun and went on a shooting spree. It wasn’t Virginia Tech
at all. It was the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, not far away. You
can easily drive from the one school to the other, just take a trip down
Route 460 through Tazewell.
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It was January 16, 2002 when Peter Odighizuwa came to campus. He had been
suspended due to failing grades. Odighizuwa was angry and waving a gun
calling on students to “come get me”. The students, seeing the gun, ran. A
shooting spree started almost immediately. In seconds Odighizuwa had killed
the school dean, a professor and one student. Three other students were shot
as well, one in the chest, one in the stomach and one in the throat.
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Many students heard the shots. Two who did were Mikael Gross and Tracy
Bridges. Mikael was outside the school having just returned to campus from
lunch when he heard the shots. Tracy was inside attending class. Both
immediately ran to their cars. Each had a handgun locked in the vehicle.
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Bridges pulled a .357 Magnum pistol and he later said he was prepared to
shoot to kill if necessary. He and Gross both approached Odighizuwa at the
same time from different directions. Both were pointing their weapons at
him. Bridges yelled for Odighizuwa to drop his weapon. When the shooter
realized they had the drop on him he threw his weapon down. A third student,
unarmed, Ted Besen, approached the killer and was physically attacked.
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But Odighizuwa was now disarmed. The three students were able to restrain
him and held him for the police. Odighizuwa is now in prison for the
murders he committed. His killing spree ended when he faced two students with
weapons. There would be no further victims that day, thanks to armed
resistance.
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You wouldn’t know much about that though. Do you wonder why? The media,
though it widely reported the attack left out the fact that Bridges and Gross
were armed. Most simply reported that the gunman was jumped and subdued by
other students. That two of those students were now armed didn’t get a
mention.
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James Eaves-Johnson wrote about this fact one week later in The Daily
Iowan. He wrote: “A Lexus-Nexis search revealed 88 stories on the topic, of
which only two mentioned that either Bridges or Gross was armed.” This 2002
article noted “This was a very public shooting with a lot of media coverage.”
But the media left out information showing how two students with firearms
ended the killing spree.
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He also mentioned a second incident. And while I had read many articles on
this shooting for an article I wrote about school bullying not a single
one mentioned the role that a firearm played in stopping it. Until today I
didn’t know the full story.
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Luke Woodham was a troubled teen. He felt no one really liked him. In 1997
he murdered his mother and put on a trench coat. He filled the pockets
with ammunition and took a handgun to the Pearl High School in Pearl,
Mississippi. In rapid succession killed two students and wounded seven others.
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He had the incident planned out. He would start shooting students and
continue until he heard police sirens in the distance. That would allow him
time to get in his car and leave campus. From there he intended to go to the
nearby Pearl Junior High School and start shooting again. How it would end
was not clear. Perhaps he would kill himself or perhaps the police would
finally catch up with him and kill him. Either way a lot more people were
going to get shot and die.
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What Woodham hadn’t planned for was the actions of Assistant Principal
Joel Myrick. Myrick heard the gun shots. He couldn’t have a handgun in the
school. But he did keep one locked in his vehicle in the parking lot. He ran
outside and retrieved the gun.
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As Myrick headed back toward the school Woodham was in his vehicle headed
for his next intended target. Myrick aimed his gun at the shooter. The teen
crashed his car when he saw the gun. Myrick approached the car and held a
gun to the killer who surrendered immediately. There would be no further
victims that day, thanks to armed resistance.
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So you didn’t know about that. Neither did I until today. Eaves-Johnson
wrote that there were “687 articles on the school shooting in Pearl, Miss. Of
those, only 19 mentioned that” Myrick had used a gun to stop Woodham “
four-and-a-half minutes before police arrived.”
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Many people probably forgot about the shooting in Edinboro, Pennsylvania.
It was a school graduation dance that Andrew Wurst entered to take out his
anger on the school. First he shot teacher John Gillette outside. He
started shooting randomly inside the restaurant where the 240 students had
gathered.
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It was restaurant owner James Strand, armed with a shot gun, who captured
the shooter and held him for police. There would be no further victims that
day, thanks to armed resistance.
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It was February 12th of this year that a young man entered the Trolley
Square Shopping Mall, in Salt Lake City. The mall was a self-declared “gun
free zone” forbidding patrons from carrying weapons. He wasn’t worried. In
fact he appreciated knowing that his victims couldn’t defend themselves.
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He opened fire even before he got inside killing his first victims
immediately outside the front door. As he walked down the mall hallway he fired in
all directions. Several more people were shot inside a card store
immediately inside the mall. The shooter moved on to the Pottery Barns Kids store.
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What he didn’t know is that one patron of the mall, Kenneth Hammond, had
ignored the signs informing patrons they must be unarmed to enter. He was a
police officer but he was not on duty and he was not a police officer for
Salt Lake City. By all standards he was a civilian that day and probably
should have left his firearm in his vehicle.
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It’s a good thing he didn’t. He was sitting in the mall with his wife
having dinner when he heard the shots. He told her to hide and to call 911
emergency services. He went to confront the gunman. The killer found himself
under gun fire much sooner than he anticipated. From this point on all his
effort was to protect himself from Hammond, he had no time to kill anyone
else. Hammond was able to pin down the shooter until police finally arrived
and one of them shot the man to death. There would be no further victims
that day, thanks to armed resistance.
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In each of these cases a killer is stopped the moment he faces armed
resistance. It is clear that in three of these cases the shooter intended to
continue his killing spree. In the fourth case, Andrew Wurst, it is not
immediately apparent whether he intended to keep shooting or not since he was
apprehended by the restaurant owner leaving the scene.
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Three of these cases involved armed resistance by students, faculty or
civilians. In one case the armed resistance was from an off-duty police
officer in a city where he had no legal authority and where he was carrying his
weapon in violation of the mall’s gun free policy.
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What would have happened if these people waited for the police? In three
cases the shooters were apprehended before the police arrived because of
armed civilians. At Trolley Square the shooter was kept busy by Hammond until
the police arrived. In all four cases the local police were the
Johnny-come-latelys.
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Consider the horrific events at Virginia Tech. Again an armed man enters a
“gun free zone”. He kills two victims and walks away long before the
police arrive. He spends two hours on campus, doing what is unknown. He then
enters another building on campus and begins shooting. He never encounters a
police officer during this. And all the students and faculty present had
apparently complied with the “no gun” policy of the university. So no one
stopped him. NO ONE STOPPED HIM! And when he finished his shooting spree 32
people were dead. It was the killer who ended the spree. He took his own
life and when the police arrived all they dealt with were the dead.
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There were many further victims that day. The shooter never met with armed
resistance.
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Classically Liberal: When mass killers meet armed resistance.
 
Already posted but a note from Christmas day, neighbor called and said he had received a notice of alarm at his home, stated he called police/sheriff, walked over with his key to check the property, no evidence of entry, waited for police in front, alarm 6:00PM, called police 6:00PM, had conversation with other neighbor, had beer with neighbor, and we took his lawn chairs and waited till 7:45PM. Officer stated they were busy. Gun Free Zones are soft target for crazy people.
 

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