The duplicity and dishonesty of politicians is boundless.


jwtollett21

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Let's see: He's anti gun, pro abortion, anti drilling, wants to raise taxes, wants to impose a "windfall profits tax" on businesses that make "too much" profit (whatever that means), wants taxpayer-funded health care for everyone, including people who make poor lifestlyle choices (such as smokers, alcoholics, drug abusers, and prostitutes), and refuses to allow drilling in ANWR or offshore as a way to decrease our dependence on foreign oil. If this isn't looking at the whole picture, then I don't know what is.

Let see here. Agree on guns, but he won't do anything to take them away. He's got to much of w bush to clean up after. He personally won't do anything about abortion just like bush. I mean bush has been in there for how long and it is still rampant in america. Its up to the state so abortion is not even an issue. No president will do anything about it. He is anti drilling but would do it if it would really lower gas prices. It would be like 5 to ten years before all those rigs could be built and could actually start shooting some crude oil in the market to lower prices. Thank God he wants a windfall tax. It's about time someone stands up to big oil and makes them pay more taxes since they are the richest people alive. that tax would give you and i a 1000 rebate. he is for taxes on the rich but not for the middle class or poor. The republicans are for the rich people the democrats are for the average joes like all of us here on the website. He is smart about anwar drilling and offshore drilling. We got thousands of acres that already oil company's can use to drill on. its just a ploy for the republicans to try and find something to cry about. Why risk that beautiful place for a little oil that. It won't decrease our dependency on foreign oil either. We should spend all our time and power on long term solutions instead of just drilling our way out for what a little relief. Then we are in the same situation in ten years. Why not start now. Be completely off of foreign oil or maybe oil in general in ten fifteen years. If the republicans want to help you guys out with some relief at the pump they can release those 70 million crude barrels into the market out of the reserve. Going back to the tax thing he actually wants to lower taxes for middle and lower income family's. If you make 250k or more a year then you should complain cause your taxes will be higher when he is elected.
 

HK4U

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Let see here. Agree on guns, but he won't do anything to take them away. He's got to much of w bush to clean up after. He personally won't do anything about abortion just like bush. I mean bush has been in there for how long and it is still rampant in america. Its up to the state so abortion is not even an issue. No president will do anything about it. He is anti drilling but would do it if it would really lower gas prices. It would be like 5 to ten years before all those rigs could be built and could actually start shooting some crude oil in the market to lower prices. Thank God he wants a windfall tax. It's about time someone stands up to big oil and makes them pay more taxes since they are the richest people alive. that tax would give you and i a 1000 rebate. he is for taxes on the rich but not for the middle class or poor. The republicans are for the rich people the democrats are for the average joes like all of us here on the website. He is smart about anwar drilling and offshore drilling. We got thousands of acres that already oil company's can use to drill on. its just a ploy for the republicans to try and find something to cry about. Why risk that beautiful place for a little oil that. It won't decrease our dependency on foreign oil either. We should spend all our time and power on long term solutions instead of just drilling our way out for what a little relief. Then we are in the same situation in ten years. Why not start now. Be completely off of foreign oil or maybe oil in general in ten fifteen years. If the republicans want to help you guys out with some relief at the pump they can release those 70 million crude barrels into the market out of the reserve. Going back to the tax thing he actually wants to lower taxes for middle and lower income family's. If you make 250k or more a year then you should complain cause your taxes will be higher when he is elected.


. The republicans are for the rich people the democrats are for the average joes like all of us here on the website.

You did not say that with a straight face did you?
 

HK4U

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yeah i did, why you say that?

I am 59 years old. l lived through the Kennedy years. The LBJ commie programs, the Carter foul ups and what can I say about the Clintons? I am sure not rich but I never was any better off under any of them. The only people that were better off were those that did not want to work and expected middle income tax payers to take care of them. It cracks me up when someone talks about the government taking care of someone. Last time I looked the government did not have a money tree in Washington. What they really mean is the government stealing our money at the point of a gun and giving it to worrhless no good bums and throwing it away on crap like the National Endowment for the Arts etc etc Don't get me wrong I am not one that thinks the Republicans are always better either. I still remember Bush #1's "read my lips, no new taxes" NOT. We seem to get the shaft no matter who is in office. Politicians talk about cutting spending, taxes and reducing the budget until they get in office and then find some reason why they can't keep their promises. Remember how you can tell if a politician is telling a lie. If their lips are moving.
 

kwo51

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What is the differance when you have the presses to make more money. Deffecit or surplus is all BS with no gold standard.
 

HK4U

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What is the differance when you have the presses to make more money. Deffecit or surplus is all BS with no gold standard.

And the Federal Reserve gets rich when it prints worthless paper money to loan to the USA with high intrest. And you wonder why the national debt keeps going up and the tax payers have to pay more and more.
 
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tattedupboy

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Jwtollett21, what in the world do you have against rich people and rich companies? Basically you're saying that the richest Americans, who already paid 37% of their incomes when Clinton raised taxes, should pay more, should pay more? How would that make you feel if you were rich? Raising taxes kinda defeats the purpose of working hard because what ends up happening is that people realize that they are no longer working for themselves, but for the government. Furthermore, as for big oil, what would be the point of being in business if you could not make a profit. Democratic crybabies act as if making large profits is a crime and want to give the oil big companies less of an incentive to be in business by taxing "excessive profits." Again, how much of an incentive do you think you would have to do business if the government increased the amount of taxes you pay?
 

jwtollett21

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Jwtollett21, what in the world do you have against rich people and rich companies? Basically you're saying that the richest Americans, who already paid 37% of their incomes when Clinton raised taxes, should pay more, should pay more? How would that make you feel if you were rich? Raising taxes kinda defeats the purpose of working hard because what ends up happening is that people realize that they are no longer working for themselves, but for the government. Furthermore, as for big oil, what would be the point of being in business if you could not make a profit. Democratic crybabies act as if making large profits is a crime and want to give the oil big companies less of an incentive to be in business by taxing "excessive profits." Again, how much of an incentive do you think you would have to do business if the government increased the amount of taxes you pay?

Actually got nothing against the rich brother. I plan on being rich by the time I retire anyways. I'm only 25 but I am planning ahead and saving and investing. All I am saying is, lets reverse the bush tax cuts for the super rich and like you say take them back to where they were in the clinton days. I don't think they even asked for those tax cuts in the first place. Again i am not against the rich, i got rich family and stuff. Also, just for the record if I was rich i would seriously lean toward the republican vote.

The Big oil people are raping us thats whats wrong with that situation. I don't care how much they make but i do if their doing it with your money and mine. I have no problem taxing their butt and giving it back to us. better than that the government should cap the amount that they should be able to charge.
 

jwtollett21

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I am 59 years old. l lived through the Kennedy years. The LBJ commie programs, the Carter foul ups and what can I say about the Clintons? I am sure not rich but I never was any better off under any of them. The only people that were better off were those that did not want to work and expected middle income tax payers to take care of them. It cracks me up when someone talks about the government taking care of someone. Last time I looked the government did not have a money tree in Washington. What they really mean is the government stealing our money at the point of a gun and giving it to worrhless no good bums and throwing it away on crap like the National Endowment for the Arts etc etc Don't get me wrong I am not one that thinks the Republicans are always better either. I still remember Bush #1's "read my lips, no new taxes" NOT. We seem to get the shaft no matter who is in office. Politicians talk about cutting spending, taxes and reducing the budget until they get in office and then find some reason why they can't keep their promises. Remember how you can tell if a politician is telling a lie. If their lips are moving.

Your right none of them ever do what they say. It's crazy. I may just right in HK4U for president this fall. ha ha. You have to admit whether the clinton day helped you or not. During his eight years he reduced the number of people on welfare in half and put the budget in surplus. My middle class family did good during those years. and i know alot of people who can vouch that those were some good years. What he did with the monica thing was horrible but thats beside the point. I believe he did 9 out of ten things in favor of the working man too. More than any republican ever will. Final note and i feel like i've said it a 100 times here but Mcain voted with the bush administration 89% of the time. He is not going to change anything. Please just don't vote for him.
 

kwo51

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I would not vote for Obma if he were white.Liberalism is socialism and if you can vote yourself a raise you will.
 

Brainchild

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Ok,jwtollett21,um...wake up.Obama may not be Muslim.But he is supported by several extremists and criminals of varying religious backgrounds.I don't give a flying rat's ass if he is black,white,yellow,red,or a flying purple people eater.I disagree with his stand on the issues that are important to me.He IS anti RKBA.He IS pro abortion.He IS pro big govenrment.He IS pro higher taxes.He IS pro socialist programs.Allan Keys is black and I would feel good about voting for him.I am quite willing to help those who need my help.But I am not willing to help people who simply do not want to work.The demoncraps want welfare 'reform' because they know people will vote for them if they get a free ride.Also,I am NOT rich.I work for a living.Obama is rich.So what you say contradicts itself.You say that the gun issue is low on the priority list.You are wrong.The gun issue is way up there.Not because I am a gun nut.But because I have opened my eyes enough to see what the whole gun control thing is all about.When all guns are outlawed,then the country will become a police state and the government can do what they want to YOU.You think that can't happen?You think that is impossible here because we vote and elect our leaders?Study up on history.The Nazi party of Germany in the 1940's was elected to power.And,yes,the holocaust really did happen.Obama does not want us to keep guns.I know this because he has said so already.I know this because of what he said he thinks the second ammendment means.As far as his church that he just now stopped going to,yeah,people change,and preachers are people,and not perfect.I have been going to the same church for many years.If I went one Sunday and the priest started preaching hatred for any particular race and saying that America is wicked and should fall guess what.The next Sunday I would be going to another church.I wouldn't wait twenty years or untill I was running for public office.
Now,as far Obama being a good speaker,no,he's not.He has good speach writers.When the press is asking him questions that he is not prepared for he flounders.When his teleprompter breaks he sounds like an idiot.No,I do not think Bush or McCain is a hero.But McCain is definately the lesser of two evils.So,if I have left anything out,please say so,and I will answer it.
 

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