The Debt Deal's Three Biggest Winners and Losers.


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Yeah, I've read that piece and others. However, in my opinion, there is one huge winner in this and one huge loser, IMHO.

Winner: The left marching, USA "footprint" shrinking, constitution shredding and very soon the gun grabbing lib's with the biggest winners of them all being Obama and his handlers. You see, the debt ceiling was raised just enough so as to not 'come up' during 2012, before the elections... The couch sitting know-nothings can sit oblivious and suck down twinkies from thier welfare checks as the media will not discuss, with such intensity, the debt ceiling and "catastrophie" and Obama then will not have to answer to it during his campaign for reelection. ...You don't think that's simply coincidence, do you? Oh, and the commission appointed to appoint the cuts, yeah, no tax increases. Sure...

Loser: This country's sovereignty, economic well being, strength and freedom. In short, you and and our kids.

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Grognard Gunny

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Winner: Obama. Lead from behind.... rather, manouvered from behind and kept his spending levels intact past the next election. (All HE wanted.)

Loser: Republicans who got this "compromise" stuffed in their ears.

REAL Loser: The American People. ESPECIALLY the taxpayers! (Not to be confused with "filers" with no tax due.)

Things to watch hence: This spending spree, when addressed in seriousness..... someday, will be countered by the Congressional Spendaholics with the exact same "we HAVE to pass this to prevent disaster" tactics they have used in this instance (...and a variation of the theme they used to pass Obamacare. ... and the Bailouts, and the Quantitative Easing mumbo jumbo.) to get their way.

Meanwhile, Congress takes it's well deserved (?????) August break, leaving the FAA fiasco on hold (with uncollected revenues just begging to be collected) and a considerable amount of work yet to be done on the '12 budget.... conveniently forgotten during the "debt ceiling" battle.

Considering the "type" of people being selected for the "super debt reduction Congressional Committee" by the respective Party Leadership...... expect another instance of full deadlock and no real accomplishment.

So, here are your choices for the next election..... preservation of your Government largesse via the Dem way of fiscal management....... and eventual financial collapse. Or you can try to get a Rep/Tea Party takeover in which any efforts to salvage anything near a balanced budget is going to require virtually everyone in this Nation to take a "hit", one way or the other.

Short version: Strict diet now or hemlock cocktail later.

"Fine fix you've got us into this time, Ollie!"



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We have to be brave and give Obama time. After all he had know idea that Bush had done so much damage. Of course we don't want to talk about the democrats were in control of the house and senate the last two years of Bush's term and the first two years of Obama's term. Per the constitution only the house and senate can allocate funds. So how is it we could have such a bad economy? The democrats have gotten everything they wanted for the last four years. Could it be that the democrats don't have a clue. No, I'm sure we are headed in the right direction. Besides the main stream media is watching out for us, aren't they?:sarcastic:


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It's more of the same. It is so bizarre to hear accusations towards those who are looking to be fiscally conservartive as being "Tyrants," and such, as the other side was apparently offended that there was even a debate on the issue. Amid the name calling and blame-gaming, this graph I found seems to put at least as much emphasis on Congress for debt issues. Yes there are a lot of issues to take into account, with my frustration being that most name-callers and blame-gamers try to hide the parts that hurt their cause.

To be fair, borrowing isn't always bad, but borrowing without a payback plan is something very different.

File:US Public Debt Ceiling 1981-2010.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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My finger of blame points directly at congress. They are the only two houses that has the constitution authority to allocate funds. Others can ask but the buck starts and stops with congress. We keep re-electing the problem makers and expect them to fix what they have created. How's that working for us?


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My finger of blame points directly at congress. They are the only two houses that has the constitution authority to allocate funds. Others can ask but the buck starts and stops with congress. We keep re-electing the problem makers and expect them to fix what they have created. How's that working for us?

I agree with the sentiment but Obama signed it; and there is not currently the ability for either party to override a presidential veto...

Blame sits squarely on Obama. could not have happened without him... regardless of how good or bad what congress puts in front of him is...
He has signed everything they put in front of him on camera...
He has yet to issue a single veto and only threaten one since the republicans took control of congress in January 2011...

We definitely need to replace Obama, but we also need to increase our strength in the House and gain strength in the Senate so we can drive the direction of the country away from upside down spending sanctioned and made the law of the land by our President; and to only spending money we have in hand; and cutting current annual spending, not fantasy spending cuts based on proposed new spending over the next ten years...

In Barack Obama's own words...
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.
Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.
Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.
Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006

Guess that proves what we already know... He's a hypocrite...


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In my opinion we are debating on which came first the chicken or the egg. Obama wouldn't have a bill to sign if the congress didn't approve. I disagree with not have the ability to over-ride a veto. It's only because of politics that we can't. We elect these people to represent "we the people", not some political agenda. If the peoples representatives were doing their job instead of pushing their political agenda, there would be plenty of votes to over-ride a veto. We lost our representatives when they created their own benefit package and turned it into a profession.

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