That guy with the axe handle? Fight him - don't shoot him!

[ezkl2230]

In the latest round of bizarre advice to come from MAIG, MAIG Director Mark Glaze paints a scenario - and a response - that even leftist Chris Matthews has trouble believing!

MARK GLAZE: Very often somebody will come at you. They might want to have a fistfight. They might come at you with an axe handle.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Would you consider the guy with the axe handle armed or not?

MARK GLAZE: Not with a gun.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: I would consider him armed [laughter].

MARK GLAZE: I have a word for him. I grew up in Colorado where my dad was a gun dealer, and a guy who shoots somebody who has anything other than a gun when they could have done something else like talk or fight with their fists –

CHRIS MATTHEWS: How do you talk to a guy with an axe handle?

MARK GLAZE: Well, you fight him. You run away. You deescalate the situation.

The fact that more murders are committed with such blunt objects each year than firearms doesn't even compute with this id10t. Worse, this is the mainstreaming of the ghetto school of thought as explained by TM girlfriend, Rachel Jeantel:

You're

...not facing a potentially life-threatening 'bashing,' but simply a 'whoop ass.' They don't understand, they understand, 'Oh, he would just bash, or was kill.' When somebody bash somebody, like, blood people, trust me, in the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called 'whoop ass.' You just got your ass whooped. That's what it is."

That's how we're supposed to view a situation where someone comes after us with a blunt object, according to Blaze and Jeantel. We have to understand that they just want to give us a beatdown, not kill us, so we have to respond in kind. We have to talk to them, reason with them. If that doesn't work, we have to fistfight someone who might be coming after us with an axe handle; after all, they don't REALLY want to kill us. If THAT doesn't work, assuming that we haven't already been beaten senseless, we're supposed to

BTW - it is apparent from Blaze's remarks that he is still dealing with some SERIOUS daddy issues.

 

[JDM]

I'm 47-years-old, which is, as I like to say, too old to take an ass whoopin' and too young to die. To me, an axe handle equals a threat to my life or the infliction of great bodily injury upon me. Either way, the guy is going down hard.

 

[Itstjs]

I agree with JDM on this one, even though 26 Id rather not be assaulted with a blunt object like a ball bat or axe handle. Sorry to say, anyone who attempts something like this one me is going down with 2 to the chest.

 

[BUmmedic]

Most of the laws that I have read refer to the "threat of serious bodily injury or death" as justification for the use of deadly force in self-defense. To each his own... I think it is up to each individual to decide what is reasonable. For example, if someone comes at me with an axe handle (I'm assuming there's no axe on the end of it), then I may play the game for a bit to see if I can disarm/subdue/turn the whoopin' around on the other guy before deciding to escalate. However, I have to imagine that escalating when that point is reached may be quite difficult if they've gained the upper hand. Step one would probably play out as a back shuffle and warning that he may want to think long and hard about what he's about to do, then hoping that he doesn't use inferior judgment.

 

[S&W645]

I'm 47-years-old, which is, as I like to say, too old to take an ass whoopin' and too young to die. To me, an axe handle equals a threat to my life or the infliction of great bodily injury upon me. Either way, the guy is going down hard.

I'm 58 and already have damaged discs in my spine. A beating with an axe could cripple me for life or kill if hit in the wrong place. I'm going to do what is needed to prevent that from happening. Too bad for the other person if he brings an axe handle to a gun fight.

 

[ezkl2230]

I don't know what part of Colorado Blaze is from, but for him to insinuate that all Coloradans would rather fight with someone armed with an axe handle rather than shoot them goes against everything I have ever known about Coloradans. Sure, you might run into that mindset in Denver, but most Coloradans I know would shoot under the circumstances he outlined. I know that where I lived in Oregon a number of years ago, justifiable homocide was still a normal outcome to self defense situations, and "he needed killin'" was still an acceptable defense that most certainly would have applied in this scenario!

 

[XD40scinNC]

Mark Glaze is a raging idiot, and perhaps a good beating with an axe handle might help him see how flipping stupid he is.

Mark, you take your beating, I'm going to start with a double tap, repeat as necessary.

Today I'm way too old to engage is fists vs. axe handle, and too smart. 40 years ago I was also too smart, even though physically a lot stronger. My wife's favorite saying in a case like this is "fight like a cornered cat".

 

[Peggy Reist]

I'm pretty small, female, and fairly old. To me, an axe handle is definitely a threat to my life. I couldn't fight him and I'm pretty sure I couldn't outrun him, so if he comes at me with an axe handle, he's a goner. And there would probably be no warning.

 

[gejoslin]

If Mark Glaze wants to fight a guy with an axe handle I would gladly sell tickets to see this guy get hammered. Mr axe handle comes at me the lead in his azz will make him too heavy to carry!

 

[influencer]

BUmedic, I'd be unwilling to play that game. All it takes is one good hit, possibly the first one, to incapacitate you. Game over.

That's a game I'll play to win. It's all in the context, if someone who Is not physically strong enough to severely injure or kill me with the axe handle, deescalate away. If I think trying to deescalate can get me seriously injured or killed...well, shouldn't bring an axe handle to a gun fight.

 

[Kramer1113]

Really Easy. If someone were to come at me with an Axe handle I would fear for my life.

You know the rest.

 

[tricolordad]

Most of the laws that I have read refer to the "threat of serious bodily injury or death" as justification for the use of deadly force in self-defense. To each his own... I think it is up to each individual to decide what is reasonable. For example, if someone comes at me with an axe handle (I'm assuming there's no axe on the end of it), then I may play the game for a bit to see if I can disarm/subdue/turn the whoopin' around on the other guy before deciding to escalate. However, I have to imagine that escalating when that point is reached may be quite difficult if they've gained the upper hand. Step one would probably play out as a back shuffle and warning that he may want to think long and hard about what he's about to do, then hoping that he doesn't use inferior judgment.

Head on down to Hobart or West MacArthur and you can see how that scenario plays out. FWIW, on April 28 2008 after being arrested for open carry and having my only 2 handguns confiscated by EC police, I walked home from a party and was attacked by a mob with baseball bats. Probably close to 20 people watched and nobody called 911 until I had been hit about 5 times. My 6 year old niece was walking with me and witnessed the whole thing. Had I not rushed them, they probably would have killed her. In practicality, baseball bats and axe handles are very very similar. I suffered hearing loss in my right ear and have slightly dimmed vision in my right eye as well. Lucky to be alive. Once they pull that weapon, no matter what it is, you'd be an idiot to try and talk them down. Simply having it shows that they've made up their mind. I know that your medical background makes you want to spare somebody some work, but at what cost?

 

[tricolordad]

BUmedic, I'd be unwilling to play that game. All it takes is one good hit, possibly the first one, to incapacitate you. Game over.

That's a game I'll play to win. It's all in the context, if someone who Is not physically strong enough to severely injure or kill me with the axe handle, deescalate away. If I think trying to deescalate can get me seriously injured or killed...well, shouldn't bring an axe handle to a gun fight.

Not even a good hit, just a well-directed one. It only takes about 4.5 pounds of force to the chin to knock somebody out. A weak straight jab with any blunt object when unexpected will do the trick.

 

[vernsimpson]

Just because the BG does not have a gun does NOT mean your life is not in danger. I concur that I am to old to take a a$$whooping. If someone comes at me he had bettered be ready for the hereafter. There was a time that guys did settle things with their fists but now days they will shoot you for a stick of gum.

 

[r1derbike]

Same call here. I'm 58, I have other hardware that would defeat an axe handle. Someone charges me with one, he will stop.

I'm surprised we haven't heard more ridiculous nonsense to try as was given the ladies to try and thwart a rape:

We could blow a whistle, urinate or vomit on the attacker, run, where there is nowhere to hide, tell the attacker you have aids, and be careful he didn't get any blood on him while he murdered you. Scream. Tell him you're on your period (never mind).

And possibly the best leftist conceived thwart; fart continuously so your attacker is overcome, and runs screaming from the area (OK, this wasn't leftist conceived, but seemed appropriate).

So, if someone wields an axe handle for a simple "whoop ass", or "beat down", on me, I suggest he bring his jammies, in case he goes to sleep.

 

[Rocket III]

I believe that in Minnesota, a person is required to attempt to flee the scene of a perceived attack before using deadly force Or you WILL go to the penitentiary. Seen it done.

 

[gunshrink]

I believe that in Minnesota, a person is required to attempt to flee the scene of a perceived attack before using deadly force Or you WILL go to the penitentiary. Seen it done.

Key word here is "attempt" - damn - I tried to get away, but didn't work . . . . golly gee what can I do next . . . . (insert the solution of your choice). I am of the same thinking as many, at my age, back condition and lack of speed an ax handle may as well be an atom bomb. The condition to use lethal force is immediate fear of death or great bodily harm - that would do it.

 

[Warrior1256]

If someone has something in their hand with which they can fracture my skull and kill me then I consider them armed and will respond accordingly.

BTW I'm too old to run away.

 

[fudo]

I have actually been in this situation. 30 years ago I was assaulted by a moron with an axe handle. When he raised the axe handle over his head and started to walk towards me (range, slightly less than 20 feet.) My response was to draw my satin nickel Commander and say, I wouldn't... Just at the point that I decided that his next step would be his last, he turned around and walked back to his car and drove off. That was the only time I had to draw in 39 years. If I never have to do it again, it won't break my heart, but I will, if I need to.

 

[bstone352]

Let me start by saying im only 25 still in great shape a trained fighter and will fist fight anyone who has just their fist with my gun still on my hip but when a person has an object that could kill me I will shoot double tap no questions asked