The question between the 709 and LC-9 for me is no question, I would take the 709 hands down, owned both kept the 709, the only + the LC has over the Taurus is its a bit more concealable, but the 709 excells everywhere else, everybodys got there opinion, and thats fine, but if you did not have the idea that one perticular brand is that much better than the other, and you had both guns with you the same day at the range, bets are you would keep the 709 over the LC-9