Talking with LEO

[Deanimator]

Robert Bush
In Texas we don't have to declare, unless you are asked for ID,but as a matter of courtesy I don't see anything wrong with it. But, making it a law is a really bad idea. When a LEO pulls you over he checks your plates and knows you have a concealed carry permit before he exits his cruiser..

I don't do extra-legal "courtesies" to public employees, especially when they serve no real purpose whatever.

If I'm not planning to shoot the cop, my notification or lack thereof is irrelevant.

If I'm planning to shoot the cop, my notification lulls him into a false sense of security.

Demand for notification is a demand for a ritualistic act of submission by someone who considers himself a superior from someone he considers an inferior.

 

[gejoslin]

Must show CHCL in Arkansas

You are dead wrong

If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license
holder’s person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the
license holder display identification, the license holder shall display
both the license holder’s driver’s license or identification
certificate issued by the department and the license holder’s handgun
license. A person who fails or refuses to display the license and
identification as required by this subsection is subject to suspension
of the person’s license as provided by Section 411.187.

Texas Concealed Carry Permit Information

If you don't know what you are talking about..... you shouldn't

Same in Arkansas. If LEO asks for ID you must inform the LEO (if you are carrying concealed) that you have your weapon and show your CHCL to him or her.

Rule 3.2 Contact with law enforcement
(a) While in possession of a concealed handgun, the licensee shall present the original
license for inspection, along with an official form of photo identification, upon request
for identification by any law enforcement officer.
(b) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee IS in possession of a
handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or
personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall notify the
officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and that he or she has a
handgun in his or her possession.
(c) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee IS NOT in possession of
a handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or
personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall not be
required to notify the officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and
does not have a handgun in his or her possession.
(d) An official form of photo identification shall be, but is not limited to, any of the
following:
(1) Current and valid Arkansas driver's license;
(2) Current and valid military identification card; or
(3) Current and valid United States passport.
(e) Reproduced copies of the official form of photo identification or copies of the original
concealed handgun carry license shall not be accepted.
http://www.asp.arkansas.gov/divisions/rs/pdf/CHCL rules_effective date 010109.pdf
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[Stan45]

Now that we have Texas and Arkansas law, what about the laws in Moscow.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Now that we have Texas and Arkansas law, what about the laws in Moscow.

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[Dunewolf]

I have had 2 experiences with being pulled over while carrying!

first experience was shortly after I got my permit, and just after they changed the law to "shall inform" (infact in my CPL course this came up, 1 active duty, and 1 retired police officer both said unless asked dont say nothing).

During first experiance, I was asked out of the car, asked how I was carrying, and asked to remove firearm from holster for the officer, I said "ok" and slowly, and with off hand removed my firearm from holster with 2-3 fingers. I was not under arrest or at gunpoint (thankfully) but was concerned. He took possession and then told me I was supposed to tell him immediately that I was carrying. (I only told him after he asked) - anyhow he asked to search my car, I told him go ahead, while he did that I was in his backseat uncuffed. after making me wait for 30-45mins some other officers arrived, he gave me my firearm back (minus the mag of ammo) then emptied the ammo from mag, and gave me both empty mag+ammo back. and wrote a ticket for speed limit violation and sent me on my way...Comments made by him at time was like "are you in a milita / why do you carry / do you feel afraid for your life" my responses where "no but id be interested in joining if you knew of a good one to join, to protect myself from harm, not really I hate violence" - After I returned to my car, i got into my backpack and used fully loaded mag into said empty gun - dumped the loose ammo /mag into bag, and drove off kinda annoyed with having to pay a speeding ticket, but otherwise looking forward to getting back to my apt.

My second experience was more interesting, officer pulled me over, I told him I was carrying, he asked where, I told him and showed him my DL/CPL/etc, he then asked my passenger for her DL/info - I asked what I was pulled over for since I knew I wasn't speeding, and he said my passenger wasn't waring seat-belt! lol So she got a NO belt ticket, I was told GL and have a good day.

Ive heard/seen my share of good/bad - guess it just depends on attitudes of those involved. I generally try to be positive, and project positivity, while letting the negative stuff fall to wayside as best I can.

 

[BC1]

Earlier this year was pulled over at 10:00 PM in Ulster County (NY). It went like this...

Hi sir how are you tonight?
Fine thanks.
I pulled you over because your brake light is out.
Oh, I didn't know, thanks.
Can I see your license?
(gave him lic, reg, ins)
Do you have any guns, drugs or nuclear weapons in the car (smiling)?
Yes, I have a loaded, licensed Glock in a holster on my right hip.
Do you have your permit?
Yes (gave it to him).
(LEO looks at it and hands it back with my driver's license)
I just wanted to let you know about the tail light. Someone might rear-end you if they don't see you stopping.
Ok officer thanks.
Thanks and have a good night.
Good night, stay safe.

That was it. He left. I left. But I'm an idiot. The tail light is still out.

 

[NavyLCDR]

(infact in my CPL course this came up, 1 active duty, and 1 retired police officer both said unless asked dont say nothing).

Good advice (if it does not violate state law, of course)!

During first experiance, I was asked out of the car, asked how I was carrying, and asked to remove firearm from holster for the officer, I said "ok" and slowly, and with off hand removed my firearm from holster with 2-3 fingers. I was not under arrest or at gunpoint (thankfully) but was concerned. He took possession and then told me I was supposed to tell him immediately that I was carrying. (I only told him after he asked) - anyhow he asked to search my car, I told him go ahead, while he did that I was in his backseat uncuffed. after making me wait for 30-45mins some other officers arrived, he gave me my firearm back (minus the mag of ammo) then emptied the ammo from mag, and gave me both empty mag+ammo back.

So he takes all these "precautions" for "officer safety" but the first thing he does is tell you to handle your firearm in his presence. I wonder how far that would go in court. NEVER consent to a search of your vehicle. If you consent, ANY evidence they find of ANYTHING is admissible. Remember, just because you have nothing to hide does not guarantee they won't find something.

 

[Military Man]

I have had 2 experiences with being pulled over while carrying!

first experience was shortly after I got my permit, and just after they changed the law to "shall inform" (infact in my CPL course this came up, 1 active duty, and 1 retired police officer both said unless asked dont say nothing).

During first experiance, I was asked out of the car, asked how I was carrying, and asked to remove firearm from holster for the officer, I said "ok" and slowly, and with off hand removed my firearm from holster with 2-3 fingers. I was not under arrest or at gunpoint (thankfully) but was concerned. He took possession and then told me I was supposed to tell him immediately that I was carrying. (I only told him after he asked) - anyhow he asked to search my car, I told him go ahead, while he did that I was in his backseat uncuffed. after making me wait for 30-45mins some other officers arrived, he gave me my firearm back (minus the mag of ammo) then emptied the ammo from mag, and gave me both empty mag+ammo back. and wrote a ticket for speed limit violation and sent me on my way...Comments made by him at time was like "are you in a milita / why do you carry / do you feel afraid for your life" my responses where "no but id be interested in joining if you knew of a good one to join, to protect myself from harm, not really I hate violence" - After I returned to my car, i got into my backpack and used fully loaded mag into said empty gun - dumped the loose ammo /mag into bag, and drove off kinda annoyed with having to pay a speeding ticket, but otherwise looking forward to getting back to my apt.

My second experience was more interesting, officer pulled me over, I told him I was carrying, he asked where, I told him and showed him my DL/CPL/etc, he then asked my passenger for her DL/info - I asked what I was pulled over for since I knew I wasn't speeding, and he said my passenger wasn't waring seat-belt! lol So she got a NO belt ticket, I was told GL and have a good day.

Ive heard/seen my share of good/bad - guess it just depends on attitudes of those involved. I generally try to be positive, and project positivity, while letting the negative stuff fall to wayside as best I can.

About the first Officer, I would have demanded to speak to a supervisor, than consulted with an attorney.

 

[gejoslin]

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I have had 2 experiences with being pulled over while carrying!

first experience was shortly after I got my permit, and just after they changed the law to "shall inform" (infact in my CPL course this came up, 1 active duty, and 1 retired police officer both said unless asked dont say nothing).

During first experiance, I was asked out of the car, asked how I was carrying, and asked to remove firearm from holster for the officer, I said "ok" and slowly, and with off hand removed my firearm from holster with 2-3 fingers. I was not under arrest or at gunpoint (thankfully) but was concerned. He took possession and then told me I was supposed to tell him immediately that I was carrying. (I only told him after he asked) - anyhow he asked to search my car, I told him go ahead, while he did that I was in his backseat uncuffed. after making me wait for 30-45mins some other officers arrived, he gave me my firearm back (minus the mag of ammo) then emptied the ammo from mag, and gave me both empty mag+ammo back. and wrote a ticket for speed limit violation and sent me on my way...Comments made by him at time was like "are you in a milita / why do you carry / do you feel afraid for your life" my responses where "no but id be interested in joining if you knew of a good one to join, to protect myself from harm, not really I hate violence" - After I returned to my car, i got into my backpack and used fully loaded mag into said empty gun - dumped the loose ammo /mag into bag, and drove off kinda annoyed with having to pay a speeding ticket, but otherwise looking forward to getting back to my apt.

My second experience was more interesting, officer pulled me over, I told him I was carrying, he asked where, I told him and showed him my DL/CPL/etc, he then asked my passenger for her DL/info - I asked what I was pulled over for since I knew I wasn't speeding, and he said my passenger wasn't waring seat-belt! lol So she got a NO belt ticket, I was told GL and have a good day.

Ive heard/seen my share of good/bad - guess it just depends on attitudes of those involved. I generally try to be positive, and project positivity, while letting the negative stuff fall to wayside as best I can.

Hi Dunewolf,
Imho, I would never let an Officer search my car without a search warrant. Here in Arkansas, maybe different where you are, but some cities here a knife over 2" long is a dangerous weapon. Just not a good policy. You just never know who left what in the back seat or under or in the seat.
Never give up your rights. Each one is precious!

 

[Deanimator]

Hi Dunewolf,
Imho, I would never let an Officer search my car without a search warrant. Here in Arkansas, maybe different where you are, but some cities here a knife over 2" long is a dangerous weapon. Just not a good policy. You just never know who left what in the back seat or under or in the seat.
Never give up your rights. Each one is precious!

A cop I don't know is just another total stranger.

I wouldn't just give some guy walking down the street permission to rifle through my vehicle and belongings.

Why would I grant that leave to an equally unvetted stranger merely because he wears a particular costume to work?

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Ah.. Once again Vermont reigns supreme!
No permits required to cc or oc.
No duty to inform.

Freedom at its best!
Y'all come visit Y'hear!!

 

[Stan45]

I have had 2 experiences with being pulled over while carrying!



anyhow he asked to search my car, I told him go ahead, while he did that I was in his backseat uncuffed. after making me wait for 30-45mins some other officers arrived.

You can ask just about anyone with good sence about searching a car without a search warrant and the answer will always be NO.

 

[eagleeyes]

now i'm wondering if cops have access to knowing if i have a ccwp just by running my license plate.........i hear they run plates when they bored sitting at a red light sometimes??? .......

 

[NavyLCDR]

now i'm wondering if cops have access to knowing if i have a ccwp just by running my license plate.........i hear they run plates when they bored sitting at a red light sometimes??? .......

In ANY state where there is a statewide database of CCWPs they can find out if the registered owner of a vehicle holds a CCWP.

 

[eagleeyes]

thanks navy i wasn't sure if doing a vehicle license check would automatically bring up that info or not

 

[NavyLCDR]

thanks navy i wasn't sure if doing a vehicle license check would automatically bring up that info or not

I probably doesn't bring up that info AUTOMATICALLY. LEO calls in a license plate and gets a name, address and birthdate returned of the registered owner(s). LEO then queries the CCWP database with the name, address and birthdate info to determine if a CCWP is issued or not. LEO can do the same thing in any state where they can query a database of CCWPs.

 

[NotTwoShure]

In Arizona you have to inform if you do not have a weapon, if you do not they wonder what is wrong with you. Naw, just had to jump in, I can not think of an issue of CCW in another state, I am spoiled. I was told sometime ago that the DPS are informed before they pull you over if they run your plate. Not really an isse I do not think here.

 

[Seeya]

In ANY state where there is a statewide database of CCWPs they can find out if the registered owner of a vehicle holds a CCWP.

Not true LEO's do not have access to Florida's data base as permits go thru Dept. of Agriculture. You still haven't answered my ? in another post. Are you a JAG?

 

[BC1]

In ANY state where there is a statewide database of CCWPs they can find out if the registered owner of a vehicle holds a CCWP.

NY hasn't connected the two yet. The permit doesn't pop on a plate check.

The concept of plate checks/permits is another ignorant attempt at control. The driver may not be the registrar. So the plate pops and the driver is handled with precaution, yet it might be another family member, a minor or a neighbor.

 

[Stan45]

In ANY state where there is a statewide database of CCWPs they can find out if the registered owner of a vehicle holds a CCWP.

Not so sure that is true.
For example in the State of Florida your CCW is managed by the Department of Agriculture. NOT a law enforcement agency. We have Marion Hammer former NRA president to thank for that.
A few counties in Colorado where the sheriff is not pro gun the check will come back as a suspicious person. Now that could be a little scary.