Deanimator
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However, I AM a murderous psychopath.! :biggrin:
Talking with LEO
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Deanimator
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Why?
Do you extend the same "courtesy" to the person behind the counter at Burger King? The dry cleaners? The checkout girl at the grocery store?
If not, WHY not? Don't you respect THEM???
Treo
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Why don't you look at the conceal carry permit informtion link at the top of the page?
LaRenegade
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Yes, Florida & most states require to inform! Problem is some of the LEO's don't have the experience to handle all weapons carried. I had a Ft Myers Florida, Corporal almost shoot me in the face with my 1911! He had taken my Commander to his vehicle and of course it was cocked and locked as I carry it, but he would not allow me to unload it and he took it out of my Bail-Out-Bag from my vehicle and told me stay in my truck. Then after going back to his vehicle he came back to my passenger side door and opened it with the 1911 in his right hand & asked me "how do you unload this" with his finger in the triggerguard and the safety off and I turned to look and was staring down the muzzle of my 45 with it pointing at my nose! Damned if you do damned if you don't! That wasn't the only time I had a officer not know how to handle a 1911. They are not trained weapon experts. Florida Hwy Patrol never asked me to remove my weapon once I gave them my permit and they were polite the couple of times I had contact with them. Underpaid city PD officers taking a loaded weapon and unloading it completely, even the extra magazines in my vehicle, handling pistols they know nothing about, is only asking for a accidental discharge or worse and it shouldn't happen that way. I am ex-LEO myself and weapons expert and having to explain to someone that may go shoot for qualification 2 times a year with a Glock (or in Ft Myers case a H&K) & that officer knows nothing about carrying or handling a 1911 is asking for trouble. I wasn't stopped for serious violations either nor did I commit any crime, just minor traffic stops or simple contacts. I will never give my weapon to another inexperienced LEO. I will call for a supervisor before I give my weapon to another officer that doesn't know anything about my firearm! Integrity and morals are not present this day in our world and just because he has a badge doesn't mean he is qualified to handle all weapons people carry and I know my family won't hear the truth when one of these inexperienced LEO's has a discharge with my weapon. One close call is enough in one lifetime! Unless they are trained on the weapon they shouldn't be touching them! It is asking for trouble. Check my permit and give me a citation or as the Highway patrol did, ask me to put the weapon in my glove box & exit to talk to him. Safety should be both ways not just for the LEO!
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Treo
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SGB
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Incorrect information.
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Riverkilt
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Years ago - about 1976 - carried concealed for work (PPK .380 in the small of my back under a business suit). Lived and worked in Alabama. Back then had a City of Birmingham permit. Got pulled over for speeding right after the 55 mph stuff went into effect. Alabama State Trooper invited me to sit in the front passenger seat of his car while he wrote out the ticket. I totally forgot I was armed...was embarrased because the wife was with me and the officer was all business. After he left I realized he had an armed citizen in his car and had no clue. I felt bad about it. For sure would have told him if I'd remembered it. I was LEO in two cities back in the 60s. So, I tell 'em as a courtesy, regardless of the local requirements.
Jake-FDS
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As both an LEO and a concealed firearm permit instructor I encourage my students to notify law enforcement (not required by law in Utah) if they are carrying. There have been a few instances where people have not, and then the officer sees the gun (perhaps when reaching for your wallet and your hand is now near your weapon). Do you see a potential problem there. Most cops are pretty good if you tell them and you use common sense, heck I even have given quite a few warnings because they notified me they were carrying and were really decent and smart about it. LEO officers just want to go home to their family at the end of their shift. I would hate to see someone injured or killed due to a mistake in which they didn't tell an officer, and then an officer sees their hand near a handgun for whatever reason. FYI when an officer runs your information in Utah it will advise him if you have a permit or not, if you already have told him about it then it makes him more comfortable in most cases.
Deanimator
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Why don't you tell them to notify anybody ELSE? Don't you want to be "courteous" to the girl at the dry cleaners? What have you got against her?
And there have been a "few" instances where people have informed cops and been mistreated by those cops, sometimes CRIMINALLY so. Of course here in Ohio, we have MANDATORY notification. Police here have on several occasions PREVENTED notification by DIRECT ORDER, then cited the victims for OBEYING THEIR ORDERS. Do you see a potential problem THERE?
- Some AREN'T "pretty good". How can I tell BEFOREHAND, which ones are which? Is there an Android app for that?
- The way to avoid speeding tickets is to OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT, NOT rendering made up "courtesies". Some people have a compulsion to feel like they're getting away with something. Some cops have a compulsion to feel like they're displaying power by LETTING somebody get away with something in exchange for shows of obeisance.
I've seen that used as an excuse for just about EVERYTHING done by a cop, up to and including criminally negligent homicide... and WORSE. It rings VERY hollow.
Can you provide real world examples of that happening? I can. I was stopped for speeding. Police officer asked me to step out of the vehicle to talk to me. He then walked back to between our two vehicles and waited for me. Well, heck, I am openly carrying my PT-145 Stainless Steel in a belt holster. Oh well, I can't leave it in the vehicle because the other occupants (my family) of the vehicle did not have a CPL. So, I exited the vehicle and walked back to talk to him. Amazing, the firearm clearly visible in it's holster on my belt was never mentioned by the cop or by me. He said he didn't want to lecture me in front of my family and let me go with a warning.
So, it sounds to me like you encourage people to show their permits and tell the officers about their guns in the hopes of getting out of a ticket? Sure, most cops are pretty good if you tell them. The problem is I don't know if the cop is going to be pretty good about it or an a$$hat about it.
And can you explain exactly how showing the officer a permit and telling them about a lawfully possessed gun that I am not going to touch during the stop is going to make that happen? Or how if I don't show them my permit, or tell them about my gun that I am not going to touch is going to keep that from happening?
So would I. That's why I retrieve my wallet from my back pocket and the folder with my insurance and registration from the glove box before I even pull over in a safe place for the officer to approach my vehicle. That way everything needed is easily accessible right there on my lap and I don't have to reach for anything during the traffic stop.
Really? Let's analyze this. I am stopped for speeding. Does the officer trust that the driver's license I hand them is valid? NO. They go back to their car, call in or enter my information into their computer and verify that the license is still valid and not suspended or revoked. So... let's look at the two scenarios:
1. I tell the officer nothing about my permit or my gun. He takes my driver's license, insurance and registration back to his car and calls in my information. He then finds out I have a VALID Concealed Pistol License. SO WHAT?!? Did he have enough concern about a gun to ask me about it before he went back to his car? NO. So....now that he KNOWS that any gun I MIGHT be carrying is 99% chance legal...why would he have any reason to be concerned about it upon return to my vehicle? He was not concerned about it before, so why would he be concerned about it after he finds out I am a "good guy"?
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2. I tell the officer about my gun and show him my permit. Does the officer have any more indication that permit is valid than my driver's license? NO. My CPL is 4 years old. I could very well be a convicted felon within the last 4 years and my CPL is revoked. My CPL does not have my photo on it, it might be fake for all the officer knows. So what has been accomplished? Would the officer not be pretty stupid to simply assume my CPL is valid and real? So exactly what have I accomplished by telling the officer about my lawfully possessed gun that 99% chance he would never see? I have not made him any safer in reality. But, all I have really accomplished is give them an invitation to take my gun from me, "for officer safety", and unnecessarily handle that gun, putting me, them, and bystanders at more risk to a negligent discharge.
I simply will not offer them that invitation. I have been stopped probably 15 times in over 25 years of driving before I started paying attention to my speed. There has NEVER been ONE single time where my gun or CPL has been mentioned or an issue, even the one time I was asked to exit the vehicle. I have run about 75% getting warnings vice getting tickets.
Deanimator
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It's still a violation.
If you don't want speeding tickets, don't speed.
Informing cops (and nobody else) that you're carrying is irrelevant to that.
Military Man
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I see a mistake here. When the LEO checks your plates, he does not know that you have a permit. Your permit is not connected to your plates in Texas. It is connected to your drivers License.
Several LEO friends in Texas have confirmed this.
Impossible. The LEO can call in and obtain the registered owner's information. Then they can check that registered owner's information to see if a CCP has been issued. The flaw in your statement is that the LEO has no idea if the registered owner is even in the vehicle or not, let alone driving it, until they obtain a driver's license. My wife drives a vehicle 100% of the time that she is not a registered owner of.
NCIC105
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Sounds like the parents of a kid I apprehended with Meth..
Why you go focus on real crime....
You will obviously get a ticket for exceeding the speed limit, but is it a criminal act
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