Talked with an officer today

[BIGJOHN621]

At the end of the day, it is about respect. It is a two way street.

Precisely correct. Respect is a two-way street, which begs the question, "Why are so many LEOs coming down the street at me in MY lane?" If more (read: all) LEOs entered interactions with lawfully armed citizens with that sense of respect for our Constitutional rights, threads like this one would be the exception on sites like USACarry, rather than, as they do seem, the rule.

I have full respect for the LEO, his authority, and his concerns only when he has (and exhibits) full respect for me, my rights, and my concerns. When Officer Fife accosts me in an unfriendly manner and demands I "Respect mah authoritah!", then that starts the whole interaction off on a bad foot and at that point, it's pretty much irredeemable.

And just because the LEO has been given faulty training by his superiors and leadership hierarchy does not trump my Constitutional rights. If he insists on enforcing illegal and void laws, ordinances, and policies in violation of my Constitutionally guaranteed, inherent, individual rights, that does not engender in me a duty to defer to his improper training for either one of our sakes. There are now two threads on USAC about Indiana's deadly force vs. illegally behaving LEO law. If it came to such a result, I would treat the deceased cop's trainers who gave him that bad training as co-conspirators, like the get-away driver in the parking lot after the clerk drops the stick-up man. Try the co-conspirators for murder.

Don't often agree with you and Navy, but you are 100% on target here.

 

[USN2Pulpit]

CathyInBlue, exactly right! Very good post!

NavyLCDR,

Would you mind if we take a couple minutes to diplomatically examine some facts associated with your comments?

Okay, I got nothin'....

:crazy_pilot:

 

[NavyLCDR]

A person can respectfully and diplomatically exercise their rights.

 

[Deanimator]

Navy the philosopher......

I note for the record that you didn't even try to refute what he said.

By the way, you list your location as the "United Socialist Republic of New York". Kind of makes you look like one of those "extremists" who are ungrateful for all that the government does for you out of pure altruism...

 

[BIGJOHN621]

Navy the philosopher......

I note for the record that you didn't even try to refute what he said.

By the way, you list your location as the "United Socialist Republic of New York". Kind of makes you look like one of those "extremists" who are ungrateful for all that the government does for you out of pure altruism...

Certainly not an extremist. I believe in standing up for rights but respectfully and without behavior that would paint me or anyone else as an extremist.

As for my banter with Navy, I respect him and his opinion but enjoy a sparring match as he is one of the more intelligent ones on these forums, although takes a different approach to exercise and defense of rights than I do. That makes for some spirited discussion.

Lastly, I am eternally grateful for what the government does and gives. We have the best legal system in the world in this country. We just need to get back on track and dump the Libertard morons running the place.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Government gives nothing to Paul that it didn't take from Peter.

 

[BIGJOHN621]

In rereading my government comment, I realize an error. I don't believe the government gives anything to Cathy's point. I am grateful for the type of government we have here, so long as we don't turn communist, which is the path we are on, hence my location of United Socialist Republic of New York.