Student opens fire at New Mexico school

[Rhino]

Student opens fire at New Mexico school, injuring 2

A student opened fire at a New Mexico middle school Tuesday, injuring two classmates, one critically, before being taken into custody, authorities said.

The shooting in the school’s gym erupted at 8:11 a.m. as students were dropped off to begin the day at Berrendo Middle School in Roswell.

A 12-year-old boy was transported to a local hospital in critical condition, and a 13-year-old girl was listed in serious condition, authorities said.

A staff member who was also injured refused medical attention, police said......

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I guess he didn't see the no gun signs.

 

[spasmonaut]

I don't want to instantly call for the hanging of the parent(s) when these stories happen, but seriously, I question and wonder what's going on in the home to allow this sort of rage to brew in your child and not be aware of the warning signs, patterns of behavior, etc. that tells you something is troubling your child. Even if a handful of years shy of being a legal adult, being called a "minor" is giving graces where they frankly aren't due as nearly any person of age 12 knows full well the consequences of their actions, particularly deadly ones. I hate to say it, but I hope the punishment is stern and fitting to address the actions of what was done and to instill remorse and regret over such a cowardly act.

 

[wolf_fire]

I'm getting completely fed up with school's inability to see that we have a problem on our hands. Since 1980 there have been near 300 deaths due to school shootings, yet in the last 50 years, not one kid has been killed in a school fire.

We do fire drills every month... we have multiple layers of protection from fires: alarms, sprinkler systems, fire extinguishers, lit exit signs, etc. Yet we do nothing in preparation against a school shooting. It pi$$es me off.

My prayers are of course with the victims, I wish them a speedy recovery, but also with the disturbed kid and his family as they try to sort through this as well.

 

[sdprof]

wolf_fire, the schools do plan and train for shooting incidents. The teachers are taught how to lock the doors and turn off the lights. How to throw books and staplers. How to put their bodies between the students and the shooter.

What they don't do is have a plan and methods for more quickly stopping a would be mass murderer.

 

[ezkl2230]

wolf_fire, the schools do plan and train for shooting incidents. The teachers are taught how to lock the doors and turn off the lights. How to throw books and staplers. How to put their bodies between the students and the shooter.

What they don't do is have a plan and methods for more quickly stopping a would be mass murderer.

In other words, teachers are taught to be martyrs, not true defenders. I guess we HAVE learned something from muslims.

 

[Rhino]

...We do fire drills every month... we have multiple layers of protection from fires: alarms, sprinkler systems, fire extinguishers, lit exit signs, etc. Yet we do nothing in preparation against a school shooting. It pi$$es me off....

This particular school did have an active shooter plan in place, and they had regularly practiced it. In fact, some of the students reportedly laughed after hearing the shots because they thought it was another drill.

 

[dogshawred]

In other words, teachers are taught to be martyrs, not true defenders. I guess we HAVE learned something from muslims.

This is exactly right, GFZ's restrict appropriate response to an active shooter.
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The public's view of guns in schools has been distorted by the media promoting the eventual abolition of all weapons in public hands. School personnel with weapons hunkered down ready to defend their charges will not put people in harms way, but it will save lives.
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I am proud of the school systems in Ohio who have taken appropriate steps to protect childern by allowing their staff to arm themselves. As I am proud of the Buckeye Firearms Association for their Armed Teacher Training Seminars to help those who wish to step up learn and be prepared. There is so much more that needs to be done to protect these young minds and our future generations.

 

[Rhino]

...I am proud of the school systems in Ohio who have taken appropriate steps to protect childern by allowing their staff to arm themselves. As I am proud of the Buckeye Firearms Association for their Armed Teacher Training Seminars to help those who wish to step up learn and be prepared. There is so much more that needs to be done to protect these young minds and our future generations.

Unfortunately my wife still can't take her Glock to school, but I may buy her a taser.

 

[ezkl2230]

This is exactly right, GFZ's restrict appropriate response to an active shooter.
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The public's view of guns in schools has been distorted by the media promoting the eventual abolition of all weapons in public hands. School personnel with weapons hunkered down ready to defend their charges will not put people in harms way, but it will save lives.
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I am proud of the school systems in Ohio who have taken appropriate steps to protect childern by allowing their staff to arm themselves. As I am proud of the Buckeye Firearms Association for their Armed Teacher Training Seminars to help those who wish to step up learn and be prepared. There is so much more that needs to be done to protect these young minds and our future generations.

We have a school district here in Michigan in which the sheriff is training/certifying teachers as reserve officers so that they can carry on the job. The county in which I live disbanded our reserves several years ago, or I would be looking to join them.

 

[wolf_fire]

wolf_fire, the schools do plan and train for shooting incidents. The teachers are taught how to lock the doors and turn off the lights. How to throw books and staplers. How to put their bodies between the students and the shooter.

What they don't do is have a plan and methods for more quickly stopping a would be mass murderer.

Some do, yes. And I agree with your last statement as well.

The one that I work at, and many others do not even have that training. We don't speak about. It's taboo.

The administrators need to get their heads out of the sand and wake up to an epidemic of violence in the schools.

 

[wolf_fire]

We have a school district here in Michigan in which the sheriff is training/certifying teachers as reserve officers so that they can carry on the job. The county in which I live disbanded our reserves several years ago, or I would be looking to join them.

Awesome, I wish more Sheriffs would take this on. It would be great for the schools and bad for the messed up freaks who go shooting up schools.

 

[wolf_fire]

This particular school did have an active shooter plan in place, and they had regularly practiced it. In fact, some of the students reportedly laughed after hearing the shots because they thought it was another drill.

But they did not practice how to defend AGAINST it.

How many adults were armed? The teacher that ended it thankfully talked the student down. That could have ended much more horribly for the teacher.

Drills are one thing. I also mentioned in my analogy sprinkler systems and fire extinguisher to actually fight the fire. What did this school have to fight the shooter? A drill procedure that some students mocked???

 

[ezkl2230]

Some do, yes. And I agree with your last statement as well.

The one that I work at, and many others do not even have that training. We don't speak about. It's taboo.

The administrators need to get their heads out of the sand and wake up to an epidemic of violence in the schools.

They CAN'T take their heads out of the sand without admitting that their anti-gun notions are wrong. They will keep working until they hit on the 'right" combination of laws and policies. The fact that we now have two shootings in which staffers successfully talked students into surrendering gives them hope that they are really right.

 

[dogshawred]

Unfortunately my wife still can't take her Glock to school, but I may buy her a taser.

Sorry to hear that Rhino, hopefully things will change and more prudent minds will realize the need for good people with guns protecting our future generations while in their charge.
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We can only hope and pray for the RIGHT kind of change to occur in Ohio.

 

[Nightmare45]

Remember the guy who used to talk to bears in Alaska, eventually you will figure it out not everybody will let you talk them out of anything.

 

[wolf_fire]

Remember the guy who used to talk to bears in Alaska, eventually you will figure it out not everybody will let you talk them out of anything.

They did an autopsy on the bear and found that guy in the bear. Stupid is as stupid does. Nice analogy.

 

[spasmonaut]

They CAN'T take their heads out of the sand without admitting that their anti-gun notions are wrong. They will keep working until they hit on the 'right" combination of laws and policies. The fact that we now have two shootings in which staffers successfully talked students into surrendering gives them hope that they are really right.

The sad part is I can very nearly assure you that every school shooting where a teacher or staff member lost their lives likely did the same thing, and that failed to save their lives and perhaps the lives of others as well. Not arguing your point, but I hardly think that a couple of instances where the murderer was psychologically disarmed is any strategy to brag about or to model a response after. I don't think even the liberal, anti-gun "education" unions (figuratively- and literally-speaking) are naive enough to believe that that is a strategy to adopt.

 

[ezkl2230]

I'm still working on my wife. Her district doesn't allow teachers to carry, and even if they did, my wife still would not carry. It's not that she is anti-gun, she has bought into the institutional mindset that she's called to teach, not to carry - as if the two are mutually exclusive. I keep telling her that her main responsibility it to come home to her family at the end of the day. Her strategy for handling an active shooter situation is to herd her kids into the chemical closet (she's a science teacher)and throw acid on the shooter if he opens her door. I ask her why it is OK in her mind to permanently maim or kill the shooter this way, but it is unacceptable to her to shoot him first. No good answer to that question. I keep working on her. She wasn't keen on the idea of me carrying, but has come to be comforted by it. One of these days she is going to change her mind.