Special forces training police in South Carolina?

[Peggy Reist]

I came across this on Facebook this morning. Can anybody in this South Carolina area confirm this? Or better yet, disprove it?

US Army Special Forces Now Training with Local Police in Secret Joint Effort - Freedom Outpost | Freedom Outpost

 

[AndeyHall]

I love how the 4th paragraph makes it sound like it's supposed to be some top secret operation, yet The State knows pretty much everything except the military personnel's bowel schedule. I would imagine they never intended this to be some secretive "we're training to take you over" thing, The State is just making a big deal out of it because they feel the US gov't should have posted it on a billboard off the side of I-26. It's basically the most Obama-tized media outlet in this state. Take it with a grain of salt. I have been training with a Sheriff's Office in the upstate and we haven't heard anything about this being planned here. I'll ask around though. It would make more sense to do that with the upstate agencies though...we've got the nuclear plant. I doubt anybody'd be planning any big terrorist operation in Columbia. Maybe they've been getting threats that somebody is coming in to put the confederate flag back up on the capital building and will use any force necessary! Haha

 

[AndeyHall]

Holy crap it just hit me!! I bet they're getting ready for all the shoot outs that they're predicting will come from the passing of S308!!!

 

[jhodge83]

i have a friend that works for richland county and i just sent him a message to ask.

also, ft. jackson is in richland county, so there will already be military vehicles and movement that will fuel the tinfoil.

even in the air guard, we simulated attack scenarios overseas w/ bird cannon explosions and fake gunfire/call to prayer soundtracks blaring.

 

[jhodge83]

response was that it's for the local special response team to simulate "bad guys" for the military unit.

the key thing to realize is that the military is not acting in a police role. they aren't rolling around the streets "taking down bad guys" and aren't even pretending to do so. not to mention that this type of military/federal/local training has been going on for ages. no one has been complaining about the FLETC program and that's been going on since the 70s. new propaganda to fear monger the tinfoil hatters.

 

[Warrior1256]

response was that it's for the local special response team to simulate "bad guys" for the military unit.

the key thing to realize is that the military is not acting in a police role. they aren't rolling around the streets "taking down bad guys" and aren't even pretending to do so. not to mention that this type of military/federal/local training has been going on for ages. no one has been complaining about the FLETC program and that's been going on since the 70s. new propaganda to fear monger the tinfoil hatters.

I'm sure that my sister in law and her husband will be hitting this hard. They belong to what I call "The Lunatic Fringe" and see government conspiracies in road signs, classified ads, radio programs, etc, etc......

 

[GhostRecon21]

It isn't uncommon for ODA's to work with and help train LE tac units here stateside. This is nothing new.

 

[BluesStringer]

It isn't uncommon for ODA's to work with and help train LE tac units here stateside. This is nothing new.

And exactly what constitutional authority exists for state and local civil law enforcement agencies to work with the federal military in any capacity, training of tac units or otherwise? Unless I read my Constitution wrong, only in emergencies and through Acts of Congress can the military and local and state level agencies interact.

You're certainly right that the Constitution being usurped with impunity by cops, the .fedgov and the military is nothing new, but the age of the practice has no bearing on either its legality or its prudence. A free country that allows its military to get involved in any aspect of local and state law enforcement sans the constitutional requirements of emergency being present, is no free country at all.

Blues

 

[GhostRecon21]

And exactly what constitutional authority exists for state and local civil law enforcement agencies to work with the federal military in any capacity, training of tac units or otherwise? Unless I read my Constitution wrong, only in emergencies and through Acts of Congress can the military and local and state level agencies interact.

You're certainly right that the Constitution being usurped with impunity by cops, the .fedgov and the military is nothing new, but the age of the practice has no bearing on either its legality or its prudence. A free country that allows its military to get involved in any aspect of local and state law enforcement sans the constitutional requirements of emergency being present, is no free country at all.

Blues

I agree that there would be an issue with it, if the teams were helping LE units run missions. Training is all that goes on though. LE units help cordon off areas for teams to do training in urban areas all the time. The favor is returned by teams helping LE units improve their TTP's.

 

[BluesStringer]

I agree that there would be an issue with it, if the teams were helping LE units run missions. Training is all that goes on though. LE units help cordon off areas for teams to do training in urban areas all the time. The favor is returned by teams helping LE units improve their TTP's.

"Helping LE units run missions" in American urban areas has such a "to protect and serve" kind of ring to it, doesn't it though? Yes, I do realize you said it in the context of military/LE cross-training, but cross-training between LE and military makes no sense to me. I can't imagine how it is a "favor" to The People to have their local LE agencies trained in military tactics, techniques and procedures. The militarization of law enforcement in this country is widely seen as a huge detriment to the rights of The People around here. It is not America anymore when Officer Friendly and G.I. Joe are indistinguishable, and they are.

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Only one of those shots is of military personnel, and all the non-LE civilians in these shots were not even suspected of committing a crime. They were simply stopped at gun-point at checkpoints in one of two manhunts that locked down four of the largest counties in the nation in Southern California during the Dorner manhunt, or the trigger-happy fools just opened fire, or the citizens seen being forced out of their houses at gun-point were also in a neighborhood under siege by militarized LE in search of only one wounded Boston Marathon bomber who, like Dorner, wasn't even within the perimeter that the cops had locked down.

It may be nothing new, and may be common amongst and between military and LE personnel to cross-train, but militarizing our local police forces is unconstitutional for one thing, and antithetical to preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution for another thing, something which both military and LE personnel swear a solemn oath to do.

Just one more in a long line of proofs that the Constitution is dead and crispy-fried as Dorner.

Blues

 

[AndeyHall]

Damn, I might have gotten my ass kicked or worse but if I was that dude in the car, I would have been like "You get that f@&kin rifle out of my face or I really am gonna be guilty of something here in about 5 seconds!"

 

[BluesStringer]

Damn, I might have gotten my ass kicked or worse but if I was that dude in the car, I would have been like "You get that f@&kin rifle out of my face or I really am gonna be guilty of something here in about 5 seconds!"

That's bad, no doubt, but is the guy looking out the window of his own home just to see an MRAP with a highly-militarized cop sticking out of the gun turret, lining his sights up right on him any better (or worse for that matter)?

There's only one picture in that small grouping that shows Americans doing their jobs the way they're supposed to under the Constitution. The rest are nothing less than oath-breaking enforcers of an illegal fascist government.

Blues

 

[Eidolon]

Damn, I might have gotten my ass kicked or worse but if I was that dude in the car, I would have been like "You get that f@&kin rifle out of my face or I really am gonna be guilty of something here in about 5 seconds!"

Yeah that one would have been a problem

 

[AndeyHall]

What exactly happened in that last picture where the blue Tacoma got lit up?

 

[Eidolon]

What exactly happened in that last picture where the blue Tacoma got lit up?

I think that was one of the incident where the LAPD thought Dorner might have been in the truck and opened fire on innocent civilians. I seem to remember that one died and the other retained a very good lawyer (possibly J. Noble Dagget) and is in the process of suing the LAPD into receivership

 

[jhodge83]

I think that was one of the incident where the LAPD thought Dorner might have been in the truck and opened fire on innocent civilians. I seem to remember that one died and the other retained a very good lawyer (possibly J. Noble Dagget) and is in the process of suing the LAPD into receivership

^^this. dorner manhunt. opened fire on two women in it that were delivering papers.

 

[AndeyHall]

You know going into law enforcement I have come to terms with the fact that it is a dangerous job sometimes. If you can't so that it simply isn't a career you need to go into. If you're going to open fire on someone without being 110% sure it is the person you want to be shooting at, and all for the sake of keeping your own hide safe at whatever expense, you've picked the wrong line of work.

 

[BluesStringer]

What exactly happened in that last picture where the blue Tacoma got lit up?

It was collateral damage from the Dorner manhunt, but that's the only thing answered accurately to your question, Andey. It's a miracle, but nobody but Dorner died at the hands of those trigger-happy fools, and LAPD has already settled with the two women that were doing nothing more nefarious than delivering newspapers in that truck at around 5:30 in the morning when the cops opened fire on them without warning, and most certainly without any reason, "legal" or otherwise. The women were mother and daughter. Daughter got only cuts from flying glass, but Mom took two rounds to the back. The cops felt just awful about it, awful I tells ya, so they gave them a $4.2 million apology sans any court hearings, and the settlement included a clause saying that was the end of it, no court cases can or will proceed from the incident.

There was a thread back in Feb. '13 entitled "Thank You" where the OP was actually thanking the cops for burning Dorner alive. There was no mention at all of the two women fired upon in that blue truck, or of the white man driving a black Honda pickup who was fired upon just a block or three away within minutes of the blue truck shooting. Most of the outrageous abuses of cops were exposed and discussed at length in that thread.

In both cases, the cops who opened fire on innocent civilians are back on the job. If that doesn't demonstrate the folly of mixing military tactics and civilian law enforcement, I can't imagine what might. Well, except maybe the Boston Bomber case. Or Waco. Or Ruby Ridge. Hell, there are lots of examples now that I think about it. The problem is, so many people don't think about it, and leave it up to politicians and reliance on "that's nothing new" memes to justify the practice that the Constitution already strictly forbids.

I detest the kinds of training exercises that Peggy posted about in the OP of this thread. They're unnecessary, unhelpful, and unconstitutional. The military is supposed to go overseas and kill people and break things. Cops are supposed to keep the peace on our own streets. You can't merge the two missions without completely destroying the mission of the cops.

Blues

 

[AndeyHall]

It was collateral damage from the Dorner manhunt, but that's the only thing answered accurately to your question, Andey. It's a miracle, but nobody but Dorner died at the hands of those trigger-happy fools, and LAPD has already settled with the two women that were doing nothing more nefarious than delivering newspapers in that truck at around 5:30 in the morning when the cops opened fire on them without warning, and most certainly without any reason, "legal" or otherwise. The women were mother and daughter. Daughter got only cuts from flying glass, but Mom took two rounds to the back. The cops felt just awful about it, awful I tells ya, so they gave them a $4.2 million apology sans any court hearings, and the settlement included a clause saying that was the end of it, no court cases can or will proceed from the incident.

There was a thread back in Feb. '13 entitled "Thank You" where the OP was actually thanking the cops for burning Dorner alive. There was no mention at all of the two women fired upon in that blue truck, or of the white man driving a black Honda pickup who was fired upon just a block or three away within minutes of the blue truck shooting. Most of the outrageous abuses of cops were exposed and discussed at length in that thread.

In both cases, the cops who opened fire on innocent civilians are back on the job. If that doesn't demonstrate the folly of mixing military tactics and civilian law enforcement, I can't imagine what might. Well, except maybe the Boston Bomber case. Or Waco. Or Ruby Ridge. Hell, there are lots of examples now that I think about it. The problem is, so many people don't think about it, and leave it up to politicians and reliance on "that's nothing new" memes to justify the practice that the Constitution already strictly forbids.

I detest the kinds of training exercises that Peggy posted about in the OP of this thread. They're unnecessary, unhelpful, and unconstitutional. The military is supposed to go overseas and kill people and break things. Cops are supposed to keep the peace on our own streets. You can't merge the two missions without completely destroying the mission of the cops.

Blues

Well I've always heard that if you go to LA, you're more likely to be a victim of the LAPD than you are any criminal.