South Carolina "No Concealed Weapons" Signs

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I have been thinking about getting my CWP here in South Carolina, but I have always been stopped by the "No Concealed Weapons" signs at locations other than the obvious Federal ones. These signs are posted anywhere and everywhere that I would want to carry to protect my family. The grocery store, restaurant, mall, small businesses, you name it. I am a law abiding citizen, however I was wondering what the legal repercussions would be for carrying concealed into these locations with a CWP. I have done a little bit of searching and it seems that as long as the sign meets the state criteria it is legal, however what exactly does that entail? Is there a difference for CWP/non CWP during these violations? It is sad but I feel that a CWP would not gain me any more right to carry a firearm during my everyday life. Does the CWP actually give you any standing or does any business or private party with a $10 sticker have the ability to take away everyone's right to carry lawfully?

Here is some information on the signs that I have found:


SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.

(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.

(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;

(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;

(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;

(5) a diameter of a circle; and

(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.

(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:

(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;

(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three- inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;

(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;

(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.

HISTORY: 1996 Act No. 464, Section 13; 2002 Act No. 274, Section 5.

 

[Rivoak]

South Carolina "No Concealed Weapons" Signs

If you carry into legally posted building, and are stopped by the police for any reason, they likely will ask for ID, you will have to produce the CWP and state you have a gun, you will be arrested and charged with a misdemeanor, and you may lose the CWP permit. You could be fined up to $200 or jailed up to 30 days. If it is a second violation, your permit will be revoked for a year. Section 23-31-15(M)(10). Also, the weapon involved may be forfeited under certain circumstances.

Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a much more serious offense. There is a penalty of $1,000 and up to a year in jail. 16-23-50(A)(2). You will also be subject to further prosecution under 16-23-460 with a fine between $200-$500, a jail stay between 30 and 90 days, and mandatory forfeiture of the weapon.

There are a lot of places you cannot carry a gun even with a permit. If found with a gun in those locations, you could be charged with a felony and disqualified from gun ownership for life.

The specifics are spelled out in statutes and SCLED regs, but generally, if there is praying, teaching, doctoring, politicianing, postal stuff, sports events, or government goings-on, you better keep your gun away from there.

Also, there are some instances, where a CWP can carry WITH PERMISSION that others can’t. For instance, if your church subscribed to the “praise the lord and pass the ammunition” doctrine and you get WRITTEN PERMISSION from the governing authority, you can carry concealed. But even with a CWP, you can’t carry into a private residence anywhere without permission.

With a CWP you can now enter an unposted bar that serves food and eat, but you better not be seen in there drinking.

Entire books have been written in the subject, so this list is far from comprehensive, but I think you get the idea. One of my favorite restaurants recently put up the dreaded red circle with a slash and pistol in the center, so I had to quit eating there.

The problem with so many posted buildings is it forces you to keep your gun in the car hoping it doesn’t get broken into while you go in the building.

Take my advice, don’t carry without a permit, it just ain’t worth it. You don’t have to have a permit to keep a gun in an automobile compartment that has a locking latch, which again means every time you exit and the gun remains in the car, you are at risk of theft. But you can have the gun in the car as long as it remains in the compartment.


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[primesteven72]

If you carry into legally posted building, and are stopped by the police for any reason, they likely will ask for ID, you will have to produce the CWP and state you have a gun, you will be arrested and charged with a misdemeanor, and you may lose the CWP permit. You could be fined up to $200 or jailed up to 30 days. If it is a second violation, your permit will be revoked for a year. Section 23-31-15(M)(10). Also, the weapon involved may be forfeited under certain circumstances.

Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a much more serious offense. There is a penalty of $1,000 and up to a year in jail. 16-23-50(A)(2). You will also be subject to further prosecution under 16-23-460 with a fine between $200-$500, a jail stay between 30 and 90 days, and mandatory forfeiture of the weapon.

There are a lot of places you cannot carry a gun even with a permit. If found with a gun in those locations, you could be charged with a felony and disqualified from gun ownership for life.

The specifics are spelled out in statutes and SCLED regs, but generally, if there is praying, teaching, doctoring, politicianing, postal stuff, sports events, or government goings-on, you better keep your gun away from there.

Also, there are some instances, where a CWP can carry WITH PERMISSION that others can’t. For instance, if your church subscribed to the “praise the lord and pass the ammunition” doctrine and you get WRITTEN PERMISSION from the governing authority, you can carry concealed. But even with a CWP, you can’t carry into a private residence anywhere without permission.

With a CWP you can now enter an unposted bar that serves food and eat, but you better not be seen in there drinking.

Entire books have been written in the subject, so this list is far from comprehensive, but I think you get the idea. One of my favorite restaurants recently put up the dreaded red circle with a slash and pistol in the center, so I had to quit eating there.

The problem with so many posted buildings is it forces you to keep your gun in the car hoping it doesn’t get broken into while you go in the building.

Take my advice, don’t carry without a permit, it just ain’t worth it. You don’t have to have a permit to keep a gun in an automobile compartment that has a locking latch, which again means every time you exit and the gun remains in the car, you are at risk of theft. But you can have the gun in the car as long as it remains in the compartment.


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[mudshark100]

You and I may run in different circles but I live in Upstate South Carolina and rarely run across No Concealed Carry signs. For the ones I do see, approximately half don't meet the legal requirements regarding font size, and other sign specifications.

 

[Rivoak]

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Yeah. I’m awake enough to know that cute picture contains a fake quote. The fall back I hear over and over on the postings here is that any regulation on guns is unconstitutional, always waiving the Second Amendment. Ever since the passage of the NFA, people owning, possessing or found using illegal weapons have been claiming “Second Amendment” all the way to jail. This is similarly true when people decide to conceal carry and get caught in states where it is illegal to do so without a permit.

Although some people would like to believe there can be no gun laws, courts in this country with very few exceptions have been routinely sentencing people to jail for gun law violations. Ever since Marbury v. Madison, the Supreme Court doctrine of judicial review essentially provides the SCOTUS is the final arbiter of constitutionality, and that court has not held all gun restrictions are unconstitutional.

It doesn’t really make any difference what I think, or what others believe, that is the status of the law of the land.

The points I made in my earlier post reflect the general state of the law in South Carolina. People can elect to follow them or not, I really don’t give a ******. But if they elect not to follow them and get caught, they can holler Second Amendment and repeat your fake quote all they want. They will still go to jail.




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[niceshootintex]

If you carry into legally posted building, and are stopped by the police for any reason, they likely will ask for ID, you will have to produce the CWP and state you have a gun, you will be arrested and charged with a misdemeanor, and you may lose the CWP permit. You could be fined up to $200 or jailed up to 30 days. If it is a second violation, your permit will be revoked for a year. Section 23-31-15(M)(10). Also, the weapon involved may be forfeited under certain circumstances.

Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a much more serious offense. There is a penalty of $1,000 and up to a year in jail. 16-23-50(A)(2). You will also be subject to further prosecution under 16-23-460 with a fine between $200-$500, a jail stay between 30 and 90 days, and mandatory forfeiture of the weapon.

There are a lot of places you cannot carry a gun even with a permit. If found with a gun in those locations, you could be charged with a felony and disqualified from gun ownership for life.

The specifics are spelled out in statutes and SCLED regs, but generally, if there is praying, teaching, doctoring, politicianing, postal stuff, sports events, or government goings-on, you better keep your gun away from there.

Also, there are some instances, where a CWP can carry WITH PERMISSION that others can’t. For instance, if your church subscribed to the “praise the lord and pass the ammunition” doctrine and you get WRITTEN PERMISSION from the governing authority, you can carry concealed. But even with a CWP, you can’t carry into a private residence anywhere without permission.

With a CWP you can now enter an unposted bar that serves food and eat, but you better not be seen in there drinking.

Entire books have been written in the subject, so this list is far from comprehensive, but I think you get the idea. One of my favorite restaurants recently put up the dreaded red circle with a slash and pistol in the center, so I had to quit eating there.

The problem with so many posted buildings is it forces you to keep your gun in the car hoping it doesn’t get broken into while you go in the building.

Take my advice, don’t carry without a permit, it just ain’t worth it. You don’t have to have a permit to keep a gun in an automobile compartment that has a locking latch, which again means every time you exit and the gun remains in the car, you are at risk of theft. But you can have the gun in the car as long as it remains in the compartment.


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So, what are you carrying, like about 42% of the time or something? I know the rules on the prohibition of carrying for the usual places you mentioned and don't but I'm not there often anyway. I have a vault in my vehicle for those occasions.

I only use UPS now, my church allows carry, I never go near a school, I've been to a local or state office perhaps twice in the past 5 years, and I park off VA property and vault my weapon for appointments.

My Sheriff said if a private business owner asks you more than once to leave (if they somehow see your EDC) their premises, then you have a problem. Other than that, no one is pushing prosecution on an honest citizen that CC's. I don't pay attention to signs unless I know it's in my best interest to do so and I'm not playing Frogger with anti gunner signage other than the prohibited areas (usual suspects) that we should all know not to carry in.

I carry 100% of the time on my property and that owned by my family and friends, I avoid gotcha situations by paying attention to the places I'm prohibited to carry, and I'm not skulking around like a criminal trying to avoid detection. CC means concealed and I work hard at that part.

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[primesteven72]

I carry everywhere I go.


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