Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders


HK4U

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Sheldon, servicemembers are required to follow LAWFUL orders. An order from a senior rank doing their job and not violating any standing order or regulation must be obeyed. An order to do something illegal should be reported up the chain of command. An order from a lying usurper to the Presidency should be ignored. THAT is why it is so important to our servicemembers that 0bama's citizenship be verified.


Which brings up a another point. What about if a solder has to submit to a Blue helmeted commander? How many of you have sworn or would an oath to the United Nations?
 

Darn you stole my response, and are dead on to boot... As to the court Marshal, they will at the very least get a article 15 that is unless they are not white.... don't go there on this one believe me.... But anyone in the military have a duty to obey commands period... My case in point my youngest daughter an E4 has a Sargent that has attitude issues....

long story short, her Sargent is jealous that someone the same age and has only been in for a year is one promotion from her rank.... My daughter has her Bachelors degree, n the other went in at age 18, hence...

Anyway one of the BS things is she was not permitted by her Sargent time for lunch, and has had to go mutiple full shifts WO anything to eat... In a union environment or any work place there are specific laws governing this and it is illegal, but in the army you do as you are told period, then gripe or file on it later, any other action can and will get you into a heap of trouble.

The situation you described is questionable, but may have a valid explanation. I can't comment much without hearing the other side of the story or more info.

BTW, it's "sergeant" not "sargent".


gf
 

Tex4oc

Patriot 1st
I can't cite the case, but the oath to the U.N. problem was already done during the clinton years. An American soldier defied orders to wear the "official U.N. uniform, citing military law that preempts an American soldier from having to don the uniform of any other country or organization, and he won. Being a former soldier, the oath though now almost twenty years old still rings true. You take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, not to fulfill the whims of a hoplophobic, Marxist, Pretender of the United States.
 

SubHntr

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Oath of enlistment

In the Armed Forces EXCEPT the National Guard (Army or Air)

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

In the National Guard (Army or Air)

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.



This is the oath some of us took.

Jim
 

ugarolla

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I can't blame you all for hating the President, but at least be factual about it. This thing has been proved wrong over and over. Link Removed
 

ricbak

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~~ This thing has been proved wrong over and over.~~
I have seen a "Snopes dot com" reports before. There have been "Chain Letter" E-mails about the birth around for a year. At this point, do you think that anybody will admit that the B-Cert is forged? I certainly would cause riots of unprecedented porportions...... No wonder people are buying ammo.:angry:
 

ugarolla

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I still don't understand why so many people believe it is forged. They have posted the thing online for all to see and there is the birth announcement printed in the Hawaiian newspaper from 1961. If were gonna argue politics with people they look down on your credibility after you say "you know he wasn't even born in the U.S." and everything you say after that will get no respect except from people who hate Obama in the first place. Maybe some people only care about others who share their views, but I think there are many other things to argue about like policy that we can disagree with the President using 100% facts.
 
I still don't understand why so many people believe it is forged. They have posted the thing online for all to see and there is the birth announcement printed in the Hawaiian newspaper from 1961. If were gonna argue politics with people they look down on your credibility after you say "you know he wasn't even born in the U.S." and everything you say after that will get no respect except from people who hate Obama in the first place. Maybe some people only care about others who share their views, but I think there are many other things to argue about like policy that we can disagree with the President using 100% facts.


Birth announcements were published based on info received from the State Department of Health. The Birth Announcement simply states that Mr. X and Mrs. X had a baby (boy or girl) on (date). Some other identifying info like the parent's home city/state might be listed as well based on space availability and editor's disgression.

This birth could have occurred in PRHI or ELSEWHERE. The birth announcement does not state where the birth occurred.

The "certification of live birth" that was posted on the internet isn't what we consider "proof". We have debated this previously.

Belive what you want as this is America (at least for now), and as a "citizen" (I assume), that is your right. There are many members of this site who question the Presiden'ts citizenship. That is OUR right.



gf
 

.45_4me

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I know an old timer. Former military ( a conseravtive) his wife ( a lib), the guy argues with me about it. He buys into this so-called proof. I do not! I also believe it is my right. And I take his illegitimacy even further. The election was rigged in his favor via acorn! They helped him steal the election and I guarantee they will be rewarded if they haven't been already. It's ironic that we could create a democracy halfway across the world for people who could only dream of it, while we sit back and watch ours incinerate! Some of US are helplessly watching and waiting, and so many more are helping it along!:wacko:
 

HK4U

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I know an old timer. Former military ( a conseravtive) his wife ( a lib), the guy argues with me about it. He buys into this so-called proof. I do not! I also believe it is my right. And I take his illegitimacy even further. The election was rigged in his favor via acorn! They helped him steal the election and I guarantee they will be rewarded if they haven't been already. It's ironic that we could create a democracy halfway across the world for people who could only dream of it, while we sit back and watch ours incinerate! Some of US are helplessly watching and waiting, and so many more are helping it along!:wacko:

That is because America has evolved into a more pure democracy than the democratic republic it was intended to be. do not forget the quote:"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy..." ~~ paraphrased from Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian.
 

FN1910

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While I admire this soldier for standing up for his beliefs I do caution anyone to not obey orders based without proof. I do wonder why it seems to have been so hard for Obama to provide a simple certified birth certificate to clear this whol mess up. The one provided do seem to have been forged but I cannot say for sure.

The courts have already refused to take these cases to make a full determination rather just sort of brushed them off. If someone can come up with some actual proof of his ineligibility it will take until his term is up to get a final ruling on it from the SCOTUS and them would create quite a mess. I am not a BHO supporter at all but I do not expect anything to come of these lawsuits. However I do admire those for trying.
 

Sheldon

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I have seen a "Snopes dot com" reports before. There have been "Chain Letter" E-mails about the birth around for a year. At this point, do you think that anybody will admit that the B-Cert is forged? I certainly would cause riots of unprecedented porportions...... No wonder people are buying ammo.:angry:

That and they are not 100% I have caught them multiple times on so called facts that were erroneous.
 

ugarolla

New member
While I admire this soldier for standing up for his beliefs I do caution anyone to not obey orders based without proof. I do wonder why it seems to have been so hard for Obama to provide a simple certified birth certificate to clear this whol mess up. The one provided do seem to have been forged but I cannot say for sure.

The courts have already refused to take these cases to make a full determination rather just sort of brushed them off. If someone can come up with some actual proof of his ineligibility it will take until his term is up to get a final ruling on it from the SCOTUS and them would create quite a mess. I am not a BHO supporter at all but I do not expect anything to come of these lawsuits. However I do admire those for trying.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. He has provided the birth certificate. If you think its fake then thats your right of course. However, experts have looked at it and confirmed. Just get the facts straight is all. Don't say he should provide the certificate when he already has. What, is the one he provided not good enough and do you expect him to magically come up with another one from thin air.
 

HK4U

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. He has provided the birth certificate. If you think its fake then thats your right of course. However, experts have looked at it and confirmed. Just get the facts straight is all. Don't say he should provide the certificate when he already has. What, is the one he provided not good enough and do you expect him to magically come up with another one from thin air.

If he had provided one where is it. Did anyone on this site ever see what it says? Perhaps we are just supposed to take his word for it. After all we all know Obama would not lie to us.:fie:
 

ugarolla

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Here is another one. I'm sorry I just don't see why people still think its fake. I'm open minded to every idea, but I think the evidence speaks for itself.
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FN1910

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Here is another one. I'm sorry I just don't see why people still think its fake. I'm open minded to every idea, but I think the evidence speaks for itself.
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Thank you, I had not seen this certificate on the web, only the one that was supposedly forged. Whether real or fake it appears to have all the official requirements needed.
 
We've had this discussion before. A "Certificate of Live Birth" is not the equivalent of the "Certification of Live Birth" that's being circulated on the internet. As the various websites state it has "enough information", for certain applications, but with what's at stake do we really want to put our faith in a document that has "enough information" or a document that would clearly put the issue to rest? Keep in mind that for a short time after Hawaii became a state (August of 1959), children born to Hawaii residents could be "recorded" in Hawaii even though the birth ocurred elsewhere. If some government official made an error in recording citizenship status, we could very well have an erroneous document circulating. The "long form" of the birth record will clear this up. Until the information is released, we'll never know.

If there's nothing to hide, then why is it that just about every document that could shed some light on the issue is being "sealed" and not released for inspection by the public or any of the courts?

My life experience has taught me that if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Something isn't right here. As a leader, respect is "earned". At this point there's a lot that has to be done to earn my respect. I know that I'm not the only American that feels this way.



gf
 

Scarecrow

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We've had this discussion before. A "Certificate of Live Birth" is not the equivalent of the "Certification of Live Birth" that's being circulated on the internet. As the various websites state it has "enough information", for certain applications, but with what's at stake do we really want to put our faith in a document that has "enough information" or a document that would clearly put the issue to rest? Keep in mind that for a short time after Hawaii became a state (August of 1959), children born to Hawaii residents could be "recorded" in Hawaii even though the birth ocurred elsewhere. If some government official made an error in recording citizenship status, we could very well have an erroneous document circulating. The "long form" of the birth record will clear this up. Until the information is released, we'll never know.

If there's nothing to hide, then why is it that just about every document that could shed some light on the issue is being "sealed" and not released for inspection by the public or any of the courts?

My life experience has taught me that if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Something isn't right here. As a leader, respect is "earned". At this point there's a lot that has to be done to earn my respect. I know that I'm not the only American that feels this way.



gf
+1 to all that.. very well put. as you said something must be going on otherwise the correct documents would have been presented already. the fact that they have not should make it obvious that things are being intentionally hidden.
 

ugarolla

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LOL!!!! This is why I can't consider myself a Republican anymore(don't worry I'm not a dem either). The talking heads on the radio and tv just lie lie lie then lie some more. Then, when confronted with the truth they just deny deny and lie some more. There about a million things you can attack Obama on that are right there for all to see like his policies, but you still wanna talk about something dumb like this even after seeing it with your own two eyes if you clicked on the link.
 

ugarolla

New member
By the way to obtain a certification of live birth you must first have a certificate of live birth on file. The factcheck.org stated in order to pull of this stunt and obtain a certification of live birth with all the official seals and signatures would require a pretty large conspiracy don't you think somebody would have talked by now? Anyways I think some of yall have your minds made up and no matter what you're going to believe what you want which is your right. Its probably better people hate the President that way it will keep him in check anyways.
 

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