so i went to the gun show and

eagleeyes

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got my ccw certificate of training . i was surprised all i had to do was fire one shot from an already loaded and ready revolver and take a short quiz about ten questions dang but i will be going to the range myself and self teach until i feel ready to carry ....and getting ready to mail out the application to tallahasee
i was married back in the late 70s divorced in the early 80s but can't find any court record of my name change which i kept my married name after my divorce so i'm going to send a copy of my birth certificate hs diploma which is the only two things i have with my maiden name on i could find
i also have a copy of my passport which has the married name i still go by so i hope that flies with them as i didn't keep my copy of my divorce papers as i was so done and over him and on line the court says it has no record of our marriage so i don't know what else to do to prove i was married as to how i started using the last name i go by?
i assume they will check it out and eventually issue me my permit perhaps a bit delayed as i'm going to send a check rather than a money order
and they may have to see if they can dig up proof i was married for a few years about 30 something years ago and kept the married name
ok i'm off to the beach to watch the big full moon rise over the horizon and supposed to be a meteor shower tonight too so
i'll cya around
tomorrow i'm taking my son to the gun show and he will go for his ccwp as well and i will mail our aps off monday hurray he will prolly get his alot sooner as he didn't have any 'alias' he had to find legal proof for
i just hope they can find some proof of my marriage and divorce as to why my last name is not the name i had been born into
ugh
peace out y'all
 
That is how easy it is in Miami to get your CWP. My class was a power point presentation. The instructor took us two at a time to the range to fire 10 rounds with an already loaded .22. We were instructed to fire the ten rounds and return to class. We also learned how to field strip a 9mm and a revolver. 7 working days after getting my finger prints.....my CWP arrived.
 
In Virginia we have many options from "Lite" to more serious. Online "class" at one end of the spectrum, prior military service, handgun safety class and combat shooting. My wife & I were shooters so we did the combat shooting class. Nine hours, including 60 rounds at the range, standing, kneeling, strong side, weak side. Also a little hand-to hand and draw and retention drills. Our instructor told us that at that time four states did not recognize VA CC permits because of the online class. Can't verify that, though.
 
I hope the OP is trolling or jerking our chains...but if not...

eagleeyes said:
got my ccw certificate of training . i was surprised all i had to do was fire one shot from an already loaded and ready revolver and take a short quiz about ten questions dang but i will be going to the range myself and self teach until i feel ready to carry ....and getting ready to mail out the application to tallahasee
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I hope you'll approach this from the standpoint of "Ok, so I quickly acquired a license...but it is a license to learn." Self-teaching is a really bad idea with firearms. You'd be better served finding a qualified instructor to actually teach you. Then once you're comfortable, obviously practice as much as your time and funds allow.

i was married back in the late 70s divorced in the early 80s but can't find any court record of my name change which i kept my married name after my divorce so i'm going to send a copy of my birth certificate hs diploma which is the only two things i have with my maiden name on i could find

i also have a copy of my passport which has the married name i still go by so i hope that flies with them as i didn't keep my copy of my divorce papers as i was so done and over him and on line the court says it has no record of our marriage so i don't know what else to do to prove i was married as to how i started using the last name i go by?

i assume they will check it out and eventually issue me my permit perhaps a bit delayed as i'm going to send a check rather than a money order and they may have to see if they can dig up proof i was married for a few years about 30 something years ago and kept the married name
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I strongly advise you to contact an attorney to dig up all this for you. You really need to have proof of both your marriage and subsequent divorce. There are a number of areas in which this could cause you problems, otherwise. This will be a couple hundred bucks well spent.

tomorrow i'm taking my son to the gun show and he will go for his ccwp as well and i will mail our aps off monday hurray he will prolly get his alot sooner as he didn't have any 'alias' he had to find legal proof for
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Again - you need to have your son seek out actual instruction from a qualified instructor.
 
No doubt the initial acquisition process for the Florida CCW seems inadequate. I had the same experience. The class I attended concentrated mostly on the legality of CCW and essentially left the qualification of use up to the individual.

When I went to the rage for the 'qualification' shoot, I asked the instructor if he considered this to be a serious demonstration of shooting skill. His response: "No sir! This is to tell us you know which end is the dangerous end, beyond that it's up to you to get the training you need. We can't determine your needs inside the scope of this course."

I think the instructors in here are correct with the premise that the onus of responsibility of CCW is on the individual to obtain the proper level of training that the individual feels is necessary for their particular application.

That being said, not everyone that carries a gun needs to have combat training or force on force training. Not everyone will ever be in situations where they would have to worry about every pulling their weapon in a danger situation. Regardless of how we feel about our responsibility, there are CCW people out here that think getting that piece of paper completes their trek to the end of the CCW road.

I would like to think that the majority of us have continued our firearm skills training in one form or another throughout our lives. Whether it is simple target practice or a full blown "Front Sight" style training, the thing to do is think honestly and seriously why we carry and do all we can to be proficient within our situations.
 
yea i for one would have wanted more range time and it would been good to take down and put a gun back together but it seemed to me like just a money making scam being our 2nd amendment should have already granted us the right without that silly rip off 'course'
my son is already very familiar with firearms and he can teach me alot as well even though we are getting ready to go back to the gun show so he can get his 'certification
filling out the proper papers and firing one shot from an already loaded revolver ok gtg we leaving soon cya later i will let ya know how that goes
 
Perhaps Florida knows this:

Mugler v. Kansas 123 U.S. 623, 659-60.
"Our system of government, based upon the individuality and intelligence
of the Citizen, the state does not claim to control him, except as his
conduct to others, leaving him the sole judge as to all that only affects
himself."
Supreme Law School : E-mail : Box 036 : Msg 03678
 
good link thanks i found this there and it is so true ''"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many
citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced
into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance."
yup like i said our 2nd amendment already gave us that right .....
i sat out back watching the class my son was in the instructor gave the exact same spiel he done with our class same exact examples and everything all i could think of was what a money making racket i bet millions of floridians pay tallahassee that 117.00 fee just to get a permit for something the constitution already afforded us grrrrrrrrrrrrr but we just follow orders and pay them money so we don't wind up in jail for carrying a gun without their permits..........

on a brighter side i got me a holstered fanny pack i will have to practice with it so i can retrieve my gun from it with ease right now it seems a bit bulky and awkward but it was only about 40 bucks and will do the job concealing when i wear an elastic waistbanded skirt . i don't usually wear fanny packs and never carry a purse either but until i get a good holster and belt i'm going to use that when i get comfortable carrying it that way and get used to the quickest safest way to draw the weapon from it
my son bought a laser light for his gun wow that cost him some bucks but he likes it
i'm still sooo hoping to win that giveaway which would be a perfect set up for me when i get my permit keeping my fingers crossed but if not i'll be saving up to buy at least the holster and a good belt. i like my gun bought it about 10 years ago for home protection when i moved to this area but the one in the giveaway is more compact and would be alot easier to conceal too
going to mail off both mine and my sons applications tomorrow first thing in the morning then have to take the vehicle in for an oil change the light been on for a week and so i need to getterdone
womens work is never done :girl_wink:
 
festus said:
That may be legal...but woefully inadequate training.
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I agree the training wasn't wonderful but since when should it be up to the state to mandate any training to exercise a Constitutionally protected right?

Should permit holders get all the training they can ?

Yes

Should such training be mandated by the state ?

No
 
i agree it's up to the person who chooses to carry a firearm to learn how to use it safely and effectively but still awful expensive class for no real training imo
i was expecting a bit more from the class ...but it is what it is
my son will show me how to breakdown and clean my gun and give me some lessons at the range when he can. he used my gun more than i have and cleaned it each time he used it at a range so i never had to clean it but if i'm going to carry and practice shooting it i want to know how to clean it and take care with it
i only shot a few mags full on it when i first got it about 10 years ago and that was all i ever done with that gun it sat by my bed for years i never took it out of the case since the day i fired it at the range years ago but recently i decided to get to know that gun and emptied it cleared it so i can get a feel for just handling and learning to grip it correctly and train my eyes to use the sights and now that i got that holstered fanny pack i will practice drawing it from the pouch and hopefully by time i get my permit i will be comfortable and confident enough to carry it as something i can use for self defense if needed
my son would take it to the range every now and then and he cleaned it when he was done and gave it back to me loaded and ready in case i needed to fire at an intruder thankfully i haven't had any bad guys breaking in and hope i never do but it's there if i need to defend myself in my house....... i'm finally ready to take the initiative and brush up on tactical skills and practice my draw and aim, learn self defense tactics i feel is good idea being crime rates are way up and being older i might look like an easy target for bad folks who might try to harm me
i learned more reading on this forum about guns than that class for certain lol
so thanks to all who post here for all the valuable information from kinds of guns to cleaning tips...... i also bought some 'break free' cleaning solution as one poster recommended i saw a can at the gun show and bought it so when i get my gun back from a range i will have my son show me how to clean it
 
eagleeyes said:
got my ccw certificate of training . i was surprised all i had to do was fire one shot from an already loaded and ready revolver and take a short quiz about ten questions dang but i will be going to the range myself and self teach until i feel ready to carry ....and getting ready to mail out the application to tallahasee
i was married back in the late 70s divorced in the early 80s but can't find any court record of my name change which i kept my married name after my divorce so i'm going to send a copy of my birth certificate hs diploma which is the only two things i have with my maiden name on i could find
i also have a copy of my passport which has the married name i still go by so i hope that flies with them as i didn't keep my copy of my divorce papers as i was so done and over him and on line the court says it has no record of our marriage so i don't know what else to do to prove i was married as to how i started using the last name i go by?
i assume they will check it out and eventually issue me my permit perhaps a bit delayed as i'm going to send a check rather than a money order
and they may have to see if they can dig up proof i was married for a few years about 30 something years ago and kept the married name
ok i'm off to the beach to watch the big full moon rise over the horizon and supposed to be a meteor shower tonight too so
i'll cya around
tomorrow i'm taking my son to the gun show and he will go for his ccwp as well and i will mail our aps off monday hurray he will prolly get his alot sooner as he didn't have any 'alias' he had to find legal proof for
i just hope they can find some proof of my marriage and divorce as to why my last name is not the name i had been born into
ugh
peace out y'all
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I'm concerned about all of these "assembly line" classes in which there is almost no live fire training and there are frequently so many students that individual training needs cannot possibly be considered. I'm afraid that it is only a matter of time before one of these "graduates" is going to be involved in a highly publicized "defensive encounter", leading to a knee jerk reaction by politicians to impose rediculous training regulations. Seems to me that the problem of inadequate instruction is getting larger every year.
 
MONTANA said:
I'm concerned about all of these "assembly line" classes in which there is almost no live fire training and there are frequently so many students that individual training needs cannot possibly be considered. I'm afraid that it is only a matter of time before one of these "graduates" is going to be involved in a highly publicized "defensive encounter", leading to a knee jerk reaction by politicians to impose rediculous training regulations. Seems to me that the problem of inadequate instruction is getting larger every year.
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You should do a little research before posting such inane drivel.
 
folks need to be responsible for their own actions ......when i go to home depot to buy a tool i've never used before i take it home read the instructions and practice with it before doing a job with it.......i bought a tapcon gun to put up some furring strips i never used one before but i followed the instructions and practiced a few and gotterdone same way with my firearm......i learned how to use it handle it fire it clean it and the laws and responsibilities that go along with owning and carrying it.........as well practice scenarios which is good and fun learning and training so i feel comfortable carrying and responsible to know when and how to use it in lawful manner it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure these things out and i hope the government doesn't force folks to take training they can get on their own for free.......
 
Self taught is OK if you can really absorb from reading and seeing...on the other hand a knuckle dragging neanderthal like myself needed a tough as nails granddad to become weapons safe and then military structured training to truly begin to become proficient. I have a couple of friends that have mostly figured things out on their own and they do OK at the range. My point is that we all need to be accountable for our actions and we need to set a good example as gun owners with carry permits to help sell the concept to our friends and neighbors who are not rabid gun nuts. The other thing that training helps with is the concept of at the end of the day I choose me...the philosophy that in a them or me scenario...I choose me. Without a clear understanding of the rules of engagement and the legal ramifications of actually using a weapon in self defense, one could quickly land in some very deep hot water...
 
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