Should We Have Levels Of Concealed Carry Licensing?

[whitefeather]

I am not aware if this question has already been discussed on this forum. If so, I apologize but feel it should be brought into the current discussion.It would be helpful to get feedback from instructors and law enforcement members.

The proposal would be an advanced level of weapons training that could be obtained by those who wish so. The possible benefit would be acknowledgement by law enforcement and businesses that this licensee could legally carry in areas that a regular conceal carry holder could not.

An advance level license would give legal access to carry in all the same areas as law enforcement. It would be accepted by all states that allow conceal carry and possibly be used to gain a carry permit in states that are currently restrictive.

Your thoughts.

 

[Domineaux]

I think we should get away from looking for ways to make different levels of infringement upon our right to keep and bear arms and push for full reinstatement or at least as close as 4 states now have with constitutional carry.

 

[fuhr52]

If we lived in a perfect world non of this would matter. All your suggesting is another form of false security. Putting a badge on someones chest doesn't guarantee there won't be dirty LEO's. Just as not having a drivers license doesn't guarantee you won't drive a car. Do we ban cars so those that shouldn't drive, don't. There is evil in this world and those intent on perpetrating that evil will find the tools and an avenue to commit that evil. Trouble is, today's society continues to make these people victims instead of locking them up and/or executing them like they did back in the day. Isn't liberalism wonderful.

 

[John Theriot]

I am not aware if this question has already been discussed on this forum. If so, I apologize but feel it should be brought into the current discussion.It would be helpful to get feedback from instructors and law enforcement members.

The proposal would be an advanced level of weapons training that could be obtained by those who wish so. The possible benefit would be acknowledgement by law enforcement and businesses that this licensee could legally carry in areas that a regular conceal carry holder could not.

An advance level license would give legal access to carry in all the same areas as law enforcement. It would be accepted by all states that allow conceal carry and possibly be used to gain a carry permit in states that are currently restrictive.

Your thoughts.

Having just a CHL, means you should go out and improve ur shooting, like taking some type of the NRA classes offered or at the gun ranges etc. some states say anyone can have a carry gun with no training. I dont belive in this type of laws.
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor in Texas

 

[Nightmare45]

2nd Amendment already should give you the right to carry anywhere. Waiting for Texas to go constitutional carry / open carry. Layering us down with more requirements would prove costly to those with less funds, there should be no place that you cannot carry.

 

[Bikenut]

First a general comment bordering on an opinionated rant...

Those who think laws restricting who, where, what, and even why, someone bears arms isn't the least bit interested in "safety".... what they really want is to be in control of ... who, where, what, and why... because, in their supreme arrogance, they believe they know what's best.

And no.. I'm not talking about the rabid anti gunner..I'm talking about the anti gunner "lite" gun owners who think the right to bear arms should only be done in ways that are "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". Oh... and if there is any confusion as to what constitutes "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable"? Just ask them... because the anti gunner "lites" have a list of things they want to see controlled just like the rabid anti's do. Different list... same idea of controlling the things they don't like.

To address the topic...

Tiered carry "permits"... (hell.. a "permit" isn't even the right to bear arms).. are the ass kissed to get permission from the government to carry a gun concealed. Now add layers of "permission" and we get into the idea that "mine is better than yours" or "I can carry where you can't so I'm more special than you" ............ all the while never realizing the government that holds the power to deny the privilege in the first place is laughing because it knows now all the concealed carriers are...... divided amongst themselves worrying about who's is bigger...errr... better ... than whose.

In the interest of full disclosure... I also have one of those ass kissed to get "permits" but I know and understand that it is worst sort of "infringement" referenced by "shall not be infringed".

 

[gunnerbob]

I'm in favor of "Constitutional Carry"... our 2A provides all the written justification we (should) need. Our right to self-defense isn't granted by the Constitution, it's merely written there. Our right to self-defense comes from God, or if you're secular, Nature.

"An armed society is a polite society", is actually true contrary to popular belief. The "Wild West" wasn't as wild as the history books might have you believe, at least not in a "gun violence" sorta way. You'd be more apt to watch your tongue and control your actions if you had to actually be held responsible for them.

Law-abiding, firearm(s) carrying citizens can/DO actually deter/stop crime. Criminals don't want to get shot as much as the rest of us, and most DO have the ability to rationally think about the consequences of f'ing with an armed citizen.

 

[gunnerbob]

First a general comment bordering on an opinionated rant...

Those who think laws restricting who, where, what, and even why, someone bears arms isn't the least bit interested in "safety".... what they really want is to be in control of ... who, where, what, and why... because, in their supreme arrogance, they believe they know what's best.

And no.. I'm not talking about the rabid anti gunner..I'm talking about the anti gunner "lite" gun owners who think the right to bear arms should only be done in ways that are "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". Oh... and if there is any confusion as to what constitutes "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable"? Just ask them... because the anti gunner "lites" have a list of things they want to see controlled just like the rabid anti's do. Different list... same idea of controlling the things they don't like.

To address the topic...

Tiered carry "permits"... (hell.. a "permit" isn't even the right to bear arms).. are the ass kissed to get permission from the government to carry a gun concealed. Now add layers of "permission" and we get into the idea that "mine is better than yours" or "I can carry where you can't so I'm more special than you" ............ all the while never realizing the government that holds the power to deny the privilege in the first place is laughing because it knows now all the concealed carriers are...... divided amongst themselves worrying about who's is bigger...errr... better ... than whose.

In the interest of full disclosure... I also have one of those ass kissed to get "permits" but I know and understand that it is worst sort of "infringement" referenced by "shall not be infringed".

I feel you're absolutey right. I used to be one of "those" 2A supporters...

No more! I have become a little more educated sinse last year .

 

[whitefeather]

I am not aware if this question has already been discussed on this forum. If so, I apologize but feel it should be brought into the current discussion.It would be helpful to get feedback from instructors and law enforcement members.

The proposal would be an advanced level of weapons training that could be obtained by those who wish so. The possible benefit would be acknowledgement by law enforcement and businesses that this licensee could legally carry in areas that a regular conceal carry holder could not.

An advance level license would give legal access to carry in all the same areas as law enforcement. It would be accepted by all states that allow conceal carry and possibly be used to gain a carry permit in states that are currently restrictive.

Your thoughts.

I agree with those of you who express what "should" be with our constitutional rights. I am trying to deal with what we have now and seems to be changing no time soon.

This proposal is not an additional "law" but rather a license available to those that want to obtain it. It is an attempt to give those, who wish, a license that prevents jeopardy of accidental carrying in a place that could lead to arrest.

Those that travel throughout the US on a regular basis would have a means to be legally licensed without jeopardy of not knowing every states statutes.
( We travel in an RV and many days go through several states) I am licensed in most states but it is nearly impossible to keep up with every states laws.

I do not see it as making you "special" or to divide but rather to make a license available to those who want or need to pursue it.

 

[GB-Boater]

You can get that license now, sort of. Join a police department.

 

[JohnD13]

In short, no. I you have met the criterion to be given a license to carry concealed, that should be sufficient, and no further grades or restrictions attached. You should feel obligated to acquire as much skill and education in the use of your weapon as you can.

 

[Firefighterchen]

First a general comment bordering on an opinionated rant...

Those who think laws restricting who, where, what, and even why, someone bears arms isn't the least bit interested in "safety".... what they really want is to be in control of ... who, where, what, and why... because, in their supreme arrogance, they believe they know what's best.

And no.. I'm not talking about the rabid anti gunner..I'm talking about the anti gunner "lite" gun owners who think the right to bear arms should only be done in ways that are "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". Oh... and if there is any confusion as to what constitutes "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable"? Just ask them... because the anti gunner "lites" have a list of things they want to see controlled just like the rabid anti's do. Different list... same idea of controlling the things they don't like.

To address the topic...

Tiered carry "permits"... (hell.. a "permit" isn't even the right to bear arms).. are the ass kissed to get permission from the government to carry a gun concealed. Now add layers of "permission" and we get into the idea that "mine is better than yours" or "I can carry where you can't so I'm more special than you" ............ all the while never realizing the government that holds the power to deny the privilege in the first place is laughing because it knows now all the concealed carriers are...... divided amongst themselves worrying about who's is bigger...errr... better ... than whose.

In the interest of full disclosure... I also have one of those ass kissed to get "permits" but I know and understand that it is worst sort of "infringement" referenced by "shall not be infringed".

Winning!!

We should be getting rid of the ridiculous amount of laws and permits, not adding to them.

 

[Bikenut]

I agree with those of you who express what "should" be with our constitutional rights. I am trying to deal with what we have now and seems to be changing no time soon.

This proposal is not an additional "law" but rather a license available to those that want to obtain it. It is an attempt to give those, who wish, a license that prevents jeopardy of accidental carrying in a place that could lead to arrest.

Those that travel throughout the US on a regular basis would have a means to be legally licensed without jeopardy of not knowing every states statutes.
( We travel in an RV and many days go through several states) I am licensed in most states but it is nearly impossible to keep up with every states laws.

I do not see it as making you "special" or to divide but rather to make a license available to those who want or need to pursue it.

You don't consider making a level of "permit" holders having more privileges than others as not making them "special"? Oh... and in order to implement that sort of thing the law would have to be changed to reflect it so yes, it would be a "law".

And ... seems to me what you are proposing is a very elitist desire to be one of the special folks who gets to carry all over just because you .. travel all over? Of course those who don't travel can be satisfied with the cheapo generic carry permit... that will be good enough for them. Of course they could have the "special" permit too ... if they can afford the extra fees and the expense of extra training like the special folks can. Just think! There is a goal for them to become "special" too!

Look.. there is no need to change anything... if you travel take it upon yourself to spend the time and money getting non resident permits from other States instead of expecting to become some sort of special class of elite permit holders.

Do you know how we got from the 2nd Amendment to the crap we have now? People came up with ideas like the "permit" system that made some folks more special than others. And adding elitist layers to what is already an elitist system of favored "permission" called "permits" only distances bearing arms with permission even further from the true right of bearing arms without governmental restrictions.

And a system where bearing arms in a concealed manner is controlled by the government having the power to "permit" or deny IS directly in opposition to "shall not infringe". And now folks think adding more government control of who gets to carry more and better than someone else is..... a good thing? Well... I suppose those who would be a member of that elite "more and better" permit group would think it was a good thing.

And don't even get me started on that turd of an idea of putting the Federal government in control of carry permits the NRA tried to pass off as the National "Right to Carry" Reciprocity monstrosity! Permits are NOT the Right to Carry!!!!!

And damn right the Feds would eventually be so magnanimous as to legislate a set of standards for all the States so that "reciprocity" crap would be... uniform... all across the nation. In fact the States with the most restrictive carry laws would DEMAND the Feds fix it. Y'all want the Feds running the permit system?

Enough with adding more layers of governmental control on top of what we have now thinking that will make things better... we need to start peeling off layers and get this stinking onion called gun control gone!

 

[Farmhood]

NO

A God given right that is sealed with a promise and is made the law of the land. It's called the 2nd amendment in the bill of rights to the constitution. Don't give them anything...and fire the ones who are not listening. They are derelict in their duty because of the oath they swore to this country.

 

[whitefeather]

And ... seems to me what you are proposing is a very elitist desire to be one of the special folks who gets to carry all over just because you .. travel all over? Of course those who don't travel can be satisfied with the cheapo generic carry permit... that will be good enough for them. Of course they could have the "special" permit too ... if they can afford the extra fees and the expense of extra training like the special folks can. Just think! There is a goal for them to become "special" too! Should We Have Levels Of Concealed Carry Licensing?

Are you one of those Obama liberals that believes it evil for one to have more than his neighbor because of hard work and effort? Elitist is one of their favorite words.

if you travel take it upon yourself to spend the time and money getting non resident permits from other States instead of expecting to become some sort of special class of elite permit holders.

It would be helpful if you read my post. I stated that I already held a license in "most states". Yes it costs lots of money!

Do you know how we got from the 2nd Amendment to the crap we have now? People came up with ideas like the "permit" system that made some folks more special than others. And adding elitist layers to what is already an elitist system of favored "permission" called "permits" only distances bearing arms with permission even further from the true right of bearing arms without governmental restrictions.

Do you have a conceal carry permit? If so, you must be "eliite" and part of the problem.

 

[Bikenut]

Are you one of those Obama liberals that believes it evil for one to have more than his neighbor because of hard work and effort? Elitist is one of their favorite words.

Bearing arms is a right... having a special permit is a system of rewarding those the State considers above others because they have the ability to meet the criteria the State sets. And there are lots of folks who would like to see the right to bear arms be replaced by only the elite being given permission to bear arms.

When folks earn things they should be able to keep them... but when referencing rights we all have the same rights and no amount of money should be able to buy more rights than those who don't have money.

It would be helpful if you read my post. I stated that I already held a license in "most states". Yes it costs lots of money!

Do you have a conceal carry permit? If so, you must be "eliite" and part of the problem.

Let me see... I brought attention to the fact that your idea of adding an additional level to the concealed carry permit just for those who think they should have added special privileges is... an elitist point of view. But I am adamantly against an upper tier just for special folk.. and I'm the elitist?

Now... talking about reading posts being helpful... did you happen to notice I posted this in post #6?

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In the interest of full disclosure... I also have one of those ass kissed to get "permits" but I know and understand that it is worst sort of "infringement" referenced by "shall not be infringed".

Edited for clarity and to address the idea that a man with money should be able to buy more rights than the man who doesn't have money. Bearing arms is a right......... that should never be controlled by those who think those with money should be able to bear arms in ways and places those without money can't afford.

 

[Farmhood]

Yeah, I live in a state that you have to jump through the hoops, Just To Get a Permit! All so your not a criminal, man it ain't natural

 

[Iam2Taz]

Really. Ahhh..... NO! H-E-L-L NO! Sorry, but I had to follow up Bikenut's semi-rant.
Good grief.
Whitefeather,
Hang around read the book, "The 5,000 Year Leap." It is an easy read and might help you get a better feel for the reason we have 2A and our constitution as a whole.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

The OP should be ashamed to even suggest "levels of carry". Who gets to decide what? Just because "you" have the money to up grade training, I should suffer?!
BS and sad that it was even thought of.

 

[NavyLCDR]

some states say anyone can have a carry gun with no training. I dont belive in this type of laws.

I'm confused. Do you mean you don't believe in the type of laws that say anyone can have a carry gun with no training? If that is what you are saying, exactly where is the problem in those states, such as mine, Washington, that do not require training? We have no more shootings, or any other gun problems that can be attributed to no training than any other state that does require training.