should there be an all state conceal carry law?

[meyer276]

My question is should there be a law that lets anyone from any state with a concealment license be able to carry in any other state as long as they have their license present? And does anyone think this will ever happen?

 

[dannyarmijo68]

National concealed carry.

What about all the states that fought to get Constitutional carry. Do you really think they want to take several steps backwards for them. You will never get NY or CA to take it. I will stick with my wallet full of cards.

 

[meyer276]

So you would rather purchase licenses in states that do not allow your states license to conceal?

 

[dannyarmijo68]

I would rather not step on the feet of states that have Constitutional. If that is what you want more power to ya but do alot of research before you take the 2nd amendmend backwards instead of forward.

 

[unclewayne17]

When I started driving Semi you had a sticker to drive in eack state, now you have ne IFTA sticker that does it all. So you never know stranger things have happened. Shure will be nice when it gets here, of course I'll probably be dead before then.

 

[dannyarmijo68]

No mater what we want, the Government will never let us get it. Yes a national license in theory sounds nice and I as a truck driver also would like it. But I am a realist in think we will all be dead and our kids will be fight for it. A national card would include DC and those criminals do not want us having weapons that close to them.

 

[K-Products.US]

Seems to make sense to have a uniform set of laws for everyone.
Not that I endores "Big Brother" but there must be some form of national ID system.
SS cards are not enough - Maybe combine Drivers, CCW, Pasport, DNA, etc all into one
Card with next to impossible to deuplicate securities.

 

[dannyarmijo68]

That was one thing they wanted to do if we in WI got Constitutional carry, they were just gonna give us a new letter on our DL. That would have got rid of the need for useless spending on employees. Big brother makes too much money in separate states to allow it to go national. How would all the states get their cut of the pie. Like I said, If I thought we could get it without hurting the states that have no licenses needed, I would take it.
We should be fighting for national constitutional carry. Not for a national permission slip.

 

[Squishy]

Hr822

HR822 can work for those in CC states. They would just need to get one out of state permit or the states could start issuing cards for residents who want them. Even if they issue cards they don't have to require them in-state much like AZ. You don't think those in VT don't already have to deal with this when they travel out of state?

 

[cgiven1]

I would rather not step on the feet of states that have Constitutional. If that is what you want more power to ya but do alot of research before you take the 2nd amendmend backwards instead of forward.

I don't see it as stepping on their feet, as it doesn't make the state require a permit. It does give the state the option of offering a permit to it's citizens who wish to have one for traveling.

 

[Axeanda45]

We already have one law that covers this, but it is ignored by nearly all Gov't here in the US.... It is called the 2nd Amendment...

 

[BC1]

We already have one law that covers this, but it is ignored by nearly all Gov't here in the US.... It is called the 2nd Amendment...

Second amendment does not equate to carrying a gun. Find any reference in Amerian juris history and I'll concede. While I agree with you, this topic needs to go before the SCOTUS to finally settle the meaning of the second.

 

[Stealth]

if you can legally purchase a firearm, you should be able to carry it.

will that happen in our lifetime... probably not.

 

[CapGun]

I would rather not step on the feet of states that have Constitutional. If that is what you want more power to ya but do alot of research before you take the 2nd amendmend backwards instead of forward.

Even states that have what you call "constitutional" where it is unnecessary for residents to get a permit to CC; a hard copy permit is offered for use in other states with reciprocity agreements. Therefor your point is unnecessary and is not a step backwards. National reciprocity first then maybe the 2A will be recognized as our LTC.

 

[CapGun]

if you can legally purchase a firearm, you should be able to carry it.

will that happen in our lifetime... probably not.

It certainly hangs in the balance of this next election!

 

[CapGun]

Second amendment does not equate to carrying a gun. Find any reference in Amerian juris history and I'll concede. While I agree with you, this topic needs to go before the SCOTUS to finally settle the meaning of the second.

WRONG! You need to research the "Bear" arms part.

 

[CapGun]

That was one thing they wanted to do if we in WI got Constitutional carry, they were just gonna give us a new letter on our DL. That would have got rid of the need for useless spending on employees. Big brother makes too much money in separate states to allow it to go national. How would all the states get their cut of the pie. Like I said, If I thought we could get it without hurting the states that have no licenses needed, I would take it.
We should be fighting for national constitutional carry. Not for a national permission slip.

Which do you think we have a chance of getting quicker?
As far as the $$$angle..... some states require you to take a course, some don't. That can remain the same. For those that want a permit good in all states they could require you to take a course and then everyone could get a cut of the fee. Everyone could argue with that but it is a solution. In this case take a tip from those against the 2a and the gun grabbers >>>>>>> It's called INCRIMENTIALISM.

 

[Peconic_Paladin]

I myself have always had some mixed feelings about this.

First the easy part, constitutional carry states would be protected, just as long as the person has a permit from ANY state, including one they are not a resident of, like FL or Utah.

The bigger issue for me is that while I would appreciate the convenience, I still have to do some research as to how HR 822 is constitutional. It's probably done through some interstate commerce provision. Yes, I'm aware of the second amendment, but I'm also aware the Founders never meant the Bill of Rights to apply to the states. Moreover, unlike the first amendment, the Supereme Court has never really "incorporated" it to do so under the "privileges and immunities clause" of the 14th Amendment.

Does anyone know how Cliff Sterns's bill is worded?

 

[BC1]

WRONG! You need to research the "Bear" arms part.

I am 100% absolutely correct on this. Both the Heller and McDonald decisions in the SCOTUS have made the same finding. Read the case decisions, amicus brief's and dissenting positions and you'll find the answer. I've studied these decisions at length and it's quite clear.

In addition, you should review the recent federal court decision in the case of Kachalsky, et al. v. Cacace, et al. In September 2011 (five months ago) Federal District Court Judge Cathy Seibel rejected a constitutional challenge to handgun licensing statutes, ruling that individuals do not have a constitutional right to carry a handgun in public. She acknowledged that the Supreme Court in both Heller and McDonald had concluded that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. but that the basic holding of both SCOTUS cases applied to “self-defense in the home” rather than a right to carry a weapon anywhere for any reason.

In Kachalsky, et al. v. Cacace, et al, the five individual plaintiffs, including the Second Amendment Foundation, Inc., argued that denying a CCW permit to the public violates their rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as defined in two recent landmark decisions by the United States Supreme Court, District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago.

The ruling stands until challenged at the SCOTUS level. It's a lot of reading but I suggest you do it and be properly informed. BTW, don't shoot the messenger over the truth. I provide permit services in numerous states. This is my business and I must know the law.

Just doesn't seem right. I personally believe "bear arms" means "carry arms." But we don't get to make that decision.

 

[BravoSierra2012]

HR822 can work for those in CC states. They would just need to get one out of state permit or the states could start issuing cards for residents who want them. Even if they issue cards they don't have to require them in-state much like AZ. You don't think those in VT don't already have to deal with this when they travel out of state?

This law throws up some flags to me. Instead of local government governing who can carry and what and where they can carry it will be the suits in DC. Which means they could be apt to meet in the middle ground say between NYC and Raleigh Which would be some freedom in NyC and less on Raleigh. Just mho. I did hear that DC would be exempt from this and still be a "Crime Promoting" area. LEOs cant even carry there unless they have a letter from their Sheriff with a reason of why they are there and armed. Only ones that can legally carry are DCPD, any authorized DOD, and other authorized OGAs.