Going to be taking a CCW class in the near future to get my CCW license. Have been looking over the rules & regulations that the State Of Michigan has concerning a CCW license and carrying a handgun.......cannot find anything on how visible the handgun needs to be.....a couple people have told me that your not supposed to even see the "outline" of the handgun underneath your clothing when carrying......can someone please comment on this....thanks
Should A CCW weapon Be "Completely" Hidden?
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advw
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Never can be too safe, I felt odd when I wore clothes that would outline my firearm, so I went up a size in my tshirts. You might have to dress around the gun a bit. But i haven't found anything either concerning those specifics. Just play it safe and make sure nothing sticks out.
mrjam2jab
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Since open carry is legal in MI I would say that you don't really have to worry about it...printing, partially concealed, fully open...can change at a whim...
MI Open Carry
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hp-hobo
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Well, that's just about as incorrect a statement as possible.
23-31-210(6) specifically states;
"Concealable weapon" means a firearm having a length of less than twelve inches measured along its greatest dimension that must be carried in a manner that is hidden from public view in normal wear of clothing except when needed for self-defense, defense of others, and the protection of real or personal property.
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"Hidden from public view" means you can't see it, not that someone knows you you have it or that it prints. Printing in SC is absolutely okay, though perhaps not recommended.
"In normal wear of clothing" means it has to be out of sight as your clothes would normally br worn. If you reach up to take a box of the top shelf at Wal-Mart and your piece is exposed, that is not normal wear and is not illegal. If you walk over a sewer grate like Marilyn Monroe and your skirt blows up and exposes your CC gun on your garter belt, that is also not normal wear and is not unlawful.
P.S. You edited your post while I was typing mine which drastically changed its content. My statements still stand.
Hamilton Felix
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I've been carrying concealed for 3½ decades now. I figure that if even a pro can tell I'm carrying, then I've screwed up (I'm not saying I've never screwed up, only giving my definition). "Concealed" means exactly that. I favor "deep concealment" over "fast access," though I can change my dress code as the situation warrants.
If you carry concealed, then nobody should know about it -- except that possible attacker who learns of it when he sees your muzzle flash.
If you carry concealed, then nobody should know about it -- except that possible attacker who learns of it when he sees your muzzle flash.
Rocketgeezer
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Hey dude even if your right or not, why is it just about every time you post its to correct somebody?:angry:
hp-hobo
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The premise of your post is factually incorrect, but that's besides the point.
I believe that a discussion based on facts, especially when it concerns the law, is better than simply posting ignorant and uninformed rants. Note that I include citations whenever possible. You obviously disagree and prefer to be... Well, you know. Good for you.
Dude.
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JSDinTexas
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con·ceal (kn-sl)
tr.v. con·cealed, con·ceal·ing, con·ceals
To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; hide.
tr.v. con·cealed, con·ceal·ing, con·ceals
To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; hide.
Oldgrunt
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leasantry:
I'd say that it really depends on your state's laws on whether or not you should be concerned if your CCW needs to be completely hidden or not. As others have mentioned, just do your best to keep it from normal view - i.e. "hidden" - and you should be fine.
Unless you live in a state that has fairly strict printing laws, then it's best to sit down and seriously consider how easy or hard it is to keep whatever type of pistol you carry as concealed as it needs to be. You'll need to adjust your carry gun or clothing to better fit your body, etc...
Unless you live in a state that has fairly strict printing laws, then it's best to sit down and seriously consider how easy or hard it is to keep whatever type of pistol you carry as concealed as it needs to be. You'll need to adjust your carry gun or clothing to better fit your body, etc...
Err on the side of caution.
In earlier postings to this thread, "oldbanjo" stated,
"hp-hobo" took exception, cited the SC statute and gave his interpretation of it.
"hp-hobo's" interpretation seems logical but I have heard presumably competent CWP instructors say exactly what "oldbanjo" said. It would be safe to bet that a sampling of LEO's, maybe even judges, would produce a diversity of positions on the point. If you have a problem because someone sees your weapon and makes an issue of it, it is likely to be a hassle and maybe expensive before it is over.
Unless your state has open carry, I would err on the side of caution.
In earlier postings to this thread, "oldbanjo" stated,
"hp-hobo" took exception, cited the SC statute and gave his interpretation of it.
"hp-hobo's" interpretation seems logical but I have heard presumably competent CWP instructors say exactly what "oldbanjo" said. It would be safe to bet that a sampling of LEO's, maybe even judges, would produce a diversity of positions on the point. If you have a problem because someone sees your weapon and makes an issue of it, it is likely to be a hassle and maybe expensive before it is over.
Unless your state has open carry, I would err on the side of caution.
If you are sitting in a Park and someone calls the Law and reports that you have a gun, your in trouble if the person that called in can tell them where the Gun is........Hp-Hobo thinks that the Law will use common sense, NO ONE should be able to identify the location of a hidden Gun. The Gun can only be shown when need for self defense.
I am with you two about it being concealed. I would hate to go to court trying to defend myself with hp-hobo's interpretation although I could possibly have to. I would imagine that most LEO would use some common sense about it but I would not push it as concealed means concealed and if someone sees it and calls 911 you are going to get hassled. I understand that there is an AG Opinion about this which includes the interpretation of a ladies purse but I have never seen it. If anyone has a copy of that opinion I would like to see it.
Rocketgeezer
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You are right about Hobos post, but this guy was from Michigan, not SC,? and you gave Old Banjo a much more real world answer
HootmonSccy
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HP - it seems that you proved Rocket's point by posting this post...
He accused you of posting to correct others, and you turn around a post attempting to correct Rocket..
I haven't followed your posts, and nobody is telling you to not correct someone, but sometimes it the WAY someone is corrected, especially in public view, such as in a forum...
I am guilty of this also, so don't feel you are in the boat alone..
Maybe I misunderstand, but "hp-hobo's" response specifically addressed "oldbanjo's" comment regarding SC. I am not sure what you mean about giving "oldbanjo" a more real world answer. My only point is that it makes sense to err on the side of caution. My goal, at least, is that no one be able to discern in any way that I am armed. I certainly do not always meet that standard but, to me, that would be ideal.
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