Sheriff appeals of gun permits for pot users

[rainman97361]

Washington County, Oregon Sheriff Rob Gordon thinks he should have at least as much discretion in handing out concealed weapons permits as an employer has in deciding who to hire and fire.
Re-ignited by a recent Oregon Supreme Court ruling saying employers can use federal drug law as a reason to fire medical marijuana users, Washington County commissioners said Tuesday that their top law enforcement official should be able to stop the same legal pot smokers from carrying concealed handguns...

Sheriff appeals of gun permits for pot users | OregonLive.com

I'm thinking I agree with this one. People under the influence aren't well known for making responsible decisions.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Pot heads can't own guns per federal law!

-Doc

 

[NDS]

While I am not a user of illegal substances, and I don't condone casually breaking the law, I can see this is going to be a major problem in our near future.

States will be legalizing marijuana beginning this November and the gray area of 'medicinal marijuana' will expand into a much larger problem.

I see all of this as a responsibility problem. If someone is responsible in their use of any mind or mood altering substance and is also responsible with their guns, there's no problem. If a person has a problem we already have laws in place to take care of it.

The sheriff is looking for a way to extend and abuse his authority. If all the various products are legally possessed, he should stay out of peoples' lives.

 

[Unfettered Might]

I would say no to prohibition from owning a firearm because of medicinal use of marijuana.

13 states have allowed it, more will follow.

Should we ban users of prescription narcotic drugs from owning firearms? Because if you use the "not clear headed" argument, you would have to include them as well.

 

[mappow]

IT'S A FRIGGIN SHAME...........The whole discussion about legal weed is NOT about your individual rights of free choice, BUT ONLY allowed on the ballot for the purpose of expanding the tax base. Does no one understand how ludicrous this is. It's all about taxation and supporting the inane programs they refuse to cut.
As for use of any intoxicant, not my personal choice to use. IF YOU DO, don't operate, carry or get in my face. The most belligerent people I've ever met in my life were all intoxicated. If you self medicate, please stay in the privacy of your own home. (This will start a ruckus)

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

 

[Unfettered Might]

No legitimate, lawful, use per federal law, or any established medical opinion (save for a few approved meds)

You name one prescription "equivalent" that is as effective as the real thing and I bet I can get you a patient who will disagree with you.

 

[Unfettered Might]

IF YOU DO, don't operate, carry or get in my face. The most belligerent people I've ever met in my life were all intoxicated.

I agree on the intoxicated part, but have you ever really met a belligerent pot smoker?

Isn't that an oxymoron?

:laugh:

 

[Bighouse Doc]

You name one prescription "equivalent" that is as effective as the real thing and I bet I can get you a patient who will disagree with you.

Despite heavy, lawful, legitimate research, there is no evidence supporting use of smoked pot.

I can easily find patients who would love to be legally stoned too. Still, that does NOT reach the level of medical evidence!

All "Medical Marijuana" laws are a ploy, crafted simply to allow stoners some legal dope.

I was just reading that once the peoples republik of kalifornicatia, legalizes the dope, the price (and the tax) will surely crash.

There goes the ploy of vast amounts of tax revenue flowing in!

Of course, how are you going to tax each and every pot-head growing his own stuff? honor system :laugh: ?

-Doc

 

[LGH]

I agree on the intoxicated part, but have you ever really met a belligerent pot smoker?

Isn't that an oxymoron?

:laugh:

I have met a belligerent pot smoke many times. Each I asked them to leave, nicely, they refused and became belligerent. So yes pot can make people belligerent.

 

[theicemanmpls]

Despite heavy, lawful, legitimate research, there is no evidence supporting use of smoked pot.

I can easily find patients who would love to be legally stoned too. Still, that does NOT reach the level of medical evidence!

All "Medical Marijuana" laws are a ploy, crafted simply to allow stoners some legal dope.

I was just reading that once the peoples republik of kalifornicatia, legalizes the dope, the price (and the tax) will surely crash.

There goes the ploy of vast amounts of tax revenue flowing in!

Of course, how are you going to tax each and every pot-head growing his own stuff? honor system :laugh: ?

-Doc

Back yard pot, while it will work, is not the same as medicinal, as the stuff you can buy at the high school.
Cultivation of pot is a science all to itself. In fact, several community colleges in California offer certificates, and degree's in pot cultivation.
I pretict pot will be commercially produced, and taxed.

Regarding the paranoia about everyone getting stoned, and not working, IMO, not true. If you want pot today, make a phone call. The same people using today, will be the same using tomrow.

I am waiting for the ATF to knock down my door. I admited to using pot.

 

[Unfettered Might]

Despite heavy, lawful, legitimate research, there is no evidence supporting use of smoked pot.

I can easily find patients who would love to be legally stoned too. Still, that does NOT reach the level of medical evidence!

All "Medical Marijuana" laws are a ploy, crafted simply to allow stoners some legal dope.

I was just reading that once the peoples republik of kalifornicatia, legalizes the dope, the price (and the tax) will surely crash.

There goes the ploy of vast amounts of tax revenue flowing in!

Of course, how are you going to tax each and every pot-head growing his own stuff? honor system :laugh: ?

-Doc

Any links to this research? I'm no dummy and I understand medical terminology and science on a molecular level, I would be interested in reading these reports.

As for the honor system.....I would have to agree. :laugh:

 

[marionandjohn]

So if pot is legal and you use it then wouldnt it be the same as someone who drinks? I wouldnt drink and carry so it only goes to say I wouldnt "smoke" and carry. (not that pot will be legal for me anywho) The same laws that regulate guns and alcohol can be used to regulate marijuana and guns.

It was probably the same way when alcohol was coming around except you didnt have to get permission to carry a gun then. I am sure antis (if they were born yet) were all against alcohol and guns. Legal is legal in my opinion and as long as you dont mix the two ie smoke and drive or smoke and shoot then why should it matter?

 

[calvin]

It's only a matter of time until marijuana is de facto legalized. They will amend federal law eventually.

I don't smoke (or drink really) but I think it seems ridiculous that you forfeit your 2A rights over it--especially with all the folks on anti-depressants and other psychotropics these days...

 

[handgonnetoter]

Back yard pot, while it will work, is not the same as medicinal, as the stuff you can buy at the high school.
Cultivation of pot is a science all to itself. In fact, several community colleges in California offer certificates, and degree's in pot cultivation.
I pretict pot will be commercially produced, and taxed.

Regarding the paranoia about everyone getting stoned, and not working, IMO, not true. If you want pot today, make a phone call. The same people using today, will be the same using tomrow.

I am waiting for the ATF to knock down my door. I admited to using pot.

Hey, your back! Haven't seen you post in a while. :biggrin:

 

[CathyInBlue]

Abuse of a firearm while stoned should be treated identicly to abuse of a firearm while drunk or abuse of a firearm while under the influence of prescription pharmaceuticals.

Likewise, since neither being prescribed pharmaceuticals nor being a social drinker are legitimate grounds for the denial of a firearms license, then neither to should be a user of state-recognized medical marijuana.

 

[mappow]

Legalization for the sole purpose of taxation is an abomination..................

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

 

[442js]

I know in Nevada it is illegal to be in possession of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol (.10 BAC) or under the influence of drugs. I don't see a problem with a person getting a permit, and only carrying when not under the influence. Of course, marijuana stays in the system for at least a few days or a few months depending on the person so it would be difficult for the person to know when it is out of the system. But that should be that individual's problem. Shouldn't punish everyone who uses medicinal marijuana from time to time.

I never tried the stuff, and don't plan on it. I don't know if it kills pain better than Rx drugs, but someone shouldn't be handling dangerous objects while under the influence (where it is a gun, a car, etc.).

 

[Alaska444]

Despite heavy, lawful, legitimate research, there is no evidence supporting use of smoked pot.

I can easily find patients who would love to be legally stoned too. Still, that does NOT reach the level of medical evidence!

All "Medical Marijuana" laws are a ploy, crafted simply to allow stoners some legal dope.

I was just reading that once the peoples republik of kalifornicatia, legalizes the dope, the price (and the tax) will surely crash.

There goes the ploy of vast amounts of tax revenue flowing in!

Of course, how are you going to tax each and every pot-head growing his own stuff? honor system :laugh: ?

-Doc

Amen to your post Bighouse doc. As a practitioner of internal medicine for about 20 years, the entire "medical" marijuana is a complete sham. We have had marinol for decades which is the active ingredient. I could have written a prescription any time I wanted with my DEA certification but I never once had the medical need to do so for any of my patients. We have so many alternative treatments without the toxic effects of either "medical" marijuana or marinol. Appetite stimulation, nausea relief of chemotherapy and who knows what other alleged benefits, I know of no doctors who have ever personally prescribed them in a true medical need. It is all politics and the politics of controlling the "masses" just as they did with the opium dens in China by the British. China got rid of the Brits and the opium dens at the same time.

 

[Alaska444]

Abuse of a firearm while stoned should be treated identicly to abuse of a firearm while drunk or abuse of a firearm while under the influence of prescription pharmaceuticals.

Likewise, since neither being prescribed pharmaceuticals nor being a social drinker are legitimate grounds for the denial of a firearms license, then neither to should be a user of state-recognized medical marijuana.

The DEA does not recognize the states loosening of medical marijuana laws. Doctors who prescribe this are in jeopardy of their license although few have been prosecuted to date even though the state condones it. There is absolutely nothing to the justification of medical marijuana since we have so many alternative treatments without the intoxication effects. Just a bunch of potheads who are now voting in their substance abuse. It will be a sad day if CA actually passes this travesty.

I am in favor of what the sheriff has done, there really is no responsible use of marijuana. One or two drinks does not have the same clinical effects on intoxication as one or two joints. Not the same issue at all from a medical viewpoint.

 

[Midnight]

Has anyone here criticizing marijuana ever even used it? Pot does not make you "belligerent." It relaxes you. That's the whole point behind its medicinal effects.

And you guys who're predicting impending doom of legal marijuana are just as bad as the libtards who predicted impending doom of allowing carry permits. "Everyone's going to be stoned out of their minds and production will spiral out of control!" sounds strangely similar to "the streets will be flowing with blood as the bullets fly!"

No one who smokes pot actually cares about the law, just like BG's don't care about getting a carry permit. At least legalizing marijuana will end the stupid "War on Drugs" on a grand scale, will relieve our overcrowded jails (since almost half of jail convictions are pot-related), and allow a steady stream of tax money to ease up this out-of-control deficit our country has. I know for a fact if it were legal and taxes weren't too outrageous that most users would rather buy it. Have you ever tried growing weed? It's a pain in the ***. Plenty of people would rather buy it. Legalizing marijuana on a federal level would be the smartest thing this country could do.