Sears and Kmart - Defense Free Zones


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paintsnow

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I was kicked out of a Sears in my home town. I am not going to say asked to leave, or polity escorted out, because of how the manager treated me, and was threatening me with arrest. OC is legal in the state of NV, and i was not being disruptive, a buddy and i were simply looking at tools.While i was OCing, this policy applies to CC as well. "Concealed is concealed" people, i respect your view, but please take a look at the "United front" quote i include towards the end.

Sears response to a phone call asking for clarification on their firearms policy:
"Dear sir,

Thank you for your recent correspondence. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers, and regret it was this type of situation
that prompted you to contact us. We apologize for the inconvenience you
have experienced and understand your frustration with firearms not being
allowed in Sears stores.

With regard to your suggestion that Sears change its policy regarding
weapons in the workplace, Sears has no intention of doing so at this
time as we remain focused on providing a safe shopping and work
environment for our customers and associates

Once again, we apologize for your experience with firearms not being
allowed in Sears stores. We appreciate your business, and value you as a
customer. We certainly hope you will continue to make Sears Holdings
Corporation your choice for quality and value.


Sincerely,
Brooke G.
Retail Customer Care
Sears Holdings Corporation"

Kmart's response to a separate email asking about the Corporate policy regarding the legal carry of firearms into their stores:
"
Dear sir,

Thank you for your recent correspondence. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers, and regret it was this type of situation
that prompted you to contact us. We apologize for any frustration you
have encountered with our Gun Policy.


You may forward your comments to:

Sears Holdings Corporation
3333 Beverly Road
Mail Stop RR-1
Hoffman Estates, IL 60179

Once more, thank you for taking the time to contact us. We appreciate
your business and value you as a Sears Holdings customer. We certainly
hope you will continue to make Sears Holdings your choice for quality
and value.


Sincerely,
Ray J
Retail Customer Care
Sears Holdings Corporation "


Please feel free to send letter, emails, or phone calls in to both companies letting them know if they will be losing your business. Personally i will not be spending any money with either store unless the policy is changed, and i will be informing all of my friends who support the 2nd amendment of their policy.

Hopefully we can get Sears Holdings Corporation to reconsider and take an approach similar to their competitors such as Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart and other companies such as Starbucks that go along with state law, instead of infringing on 2nd amendment rights and not allowing customers to protect themselves.

Somebody on a local forum discussing the incident posted this:

""Here is my suggestion: let's put up a united front. When gun owners are treated poorly for acting within their rights, we support them in that activity instead of getting all high and mighty. Or, let's continue to splinter ourselves. FUDDs over there, concealed only snobs on this side, cops over here, NFA owners (you unpopular @#$%s...why do you need a silencer or a machine gun?). Hand together or hang alone, y'know? ""

So please, feel free to repost this on any local, small forums, or other large forums i have not heard about, it gotten around to posting on yet. Lets band together, and get some changes made!
 

Do you work at Sears? It sounds like she thinks you do. Her use of 'weapons in the workplace' seems to suggest she didn't understand your inquiry. I have carried openly in both stores here in WA without incident.
 
Both the emails state they are interested in hearing from their customers, and thank me for my business, or lack of it.

It was made clear that i was a customer shopping there when i was kicked out, and i told them i would be taking my money elsewhere.

While your location may not have any issues with it, the policy is company wide. This affects other store locations and other gun owners in the country. I really want to buy a whole lot of Craftsman tools, but i just cannot bring myself to give money to a business that doesnt welcome me and my firearm. I will also not disarm just to buy some tools.
 
I have not seen any AG postings at our local Sears or K-Mart. My wife and I cc regularly in our mall and most other stores.

Sears does have a policy of employees NOT being able to carry.
 
I also called Sears after reading the OP on NV Shooters. I was told that Sears and Kmart have a very strict NO smoking, NO Alcohol and NO Firearms policy. So by simply concealing your gun you are breaking their policy and still supporting a store that is NOT Gun Friendly!

It is easy to say "Oh well, I'll conceal" and not say anything or say "Oh well, I'll leave my gun in the car" but that does NOTHING to help yourself or the rest of the gun carrying community.
 
I have sent Sears a message though their Link Removed(This may NOT be the best way to contact them), it states:

I've been meaning to write a note to Sears about one thing, and now that another item has arose, I'm taking the time.
1) I want to let you know that as a corporation I really appreciate how you treat our troops that work for Sears. How you extend their pay even thought they are deployed and that you hold there position for when they return.
This should be the policy or ALL Corporations in the USA - WAY TO GO!!!

2) I recently became aware that you have a very strict NO smoking, NO Alcohol and NO Firearms policy in your stores. Although I full appreciate and support the 1st two "NO's", I take issue with the last one. Many other corporations have taken a different approach to the "NO Firearms" rule. Corporations that are your competitors such as Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart and other companies such as Starbucks have chosen to go along with state law, instead of infringing on the 2nd amendment rights of customers and not allowing customers to protect themselves.
In my conversations with other stores/corporations on this issue the store owners feel they are making a "safer" environment for their customers and workers, but the exact opposite is the truth. Does your corporation really believe that robbers, thieves, and mad gunmen/women are going to respect your policy?
Has there not been several incidences at malls across America where someone walked into a mall and started shooting people. Do you know why they went to the mall? Because most malls are "Gun Free Zones" and the shooters knew that, and that is why they choose the mall, where many of your stores are located.

Your policy leaves me two choices.
a) Leave my constitutional rights at the door (I am a concealed permit issued citizen that has been checked out by state police and the FBI) so I can shop at your store
b) Shop at your competitors who do not restrict my American Freedoms.

So I applaud you as a corporation for your support of our troops, but unfortunately, I am not able to show you my appreciation with my business as I am not welcome in your store.

Please consider changing your policy to come in line with your competition (go along with state law) so I can once again show my support for your fine products by welcoming me to your stores.

Thank you for your consideration on this topic.
 
paintsnow said:
I was kicked out of a Sears in my home town. I am not going to say asked to leave, or polity escorted out, because of how the manager treated me, and was threatening me with arrest. OC is legal in the state of NV, and i was not being disruptive, a buddy and i were simply looking at tools.While i was OCing, this policy applies to CC as well. "Concealed is concealed" people, i respect your view, but please take a look at the "United front" quote i include towards the end.

Sears response to a phone call asking for clarification on their firearms policy:
"Dear sir,

Thank you for your recent correspondence. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers, and regret it was this type of situation
that prompted you to contact us. We apologize for the inconvenience you
have experienced and understand your frustration with firearms not being
allowed in Sears stores.

With regard to your suggestion that Sears change its policy regarding
weapons in the workplace, Sears has no intention of doing so at this
time as we remain focused on providing a safe shopping and work
environment for our customers and associates

Once again, we apologize for your experience with firearms not being
allowed in Sears stores. We appreciate your business, and value you as a
customer. We certainly hope you will continue to make Sears Holdings
Corporation your choice for quality and value.


Sincerely,
Brooke G.
Retail Customer Care
Sears Holdings Corporation"

Kmart's response to a separate email asking about the Corporate policy regarding the legal carry of firearms into their stores:
"
Dear sir,

Thank you for your recent correspondence. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers, and regret it was this type of situation
that prompted you to contact us. We apologize for any frustration you
have encountered with our Gun Policy.


You may forward your comments to:

Sears Holdings Corporation
3333 Beverly Road
Mail Stop RR-1
Hoffman Estates, IL 60179

Once more, thank you for taking the time to contact us. We appreciate
your business and value you as a Sears Holdings customer. We certainly
hope you will continue to make Sears Holdings your choice for quality
and value.


Sincerely,
Ray J
Retail Customer Care
Sears Holdings Corporation "


Please feel free to send letter, emails, or phone calls in to both companies letting them know if they will be losing your business. Personally i will not be spending any money with either store unless the policy is changed, and i will be informing all of my friends who support the 2nd amendment of their policy.

Hopefully we can get Sears Holdings Corporation to reconsider and take an approach similar to their competitors such as Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart and other companies such as Starbucks that go along with state law, instead of infringing on 2nd amendment rights and not allowing customers to protect themselves.

Somebody on a local forum discussing the incident posted this:

""Here is my suggestion: let's put up a united front. When gun owners are treated poorly for acting within their rights, we support them in that activity instead of getting all high and mighty. Or, let's continue to splinter ourselves. FUDDs over there, concealed only snobs on this side, cops over here, NFA owners (you unpopular @#$%s...why do you need a silencer or a machine gun?). Hand together or hang alone, y'know? ""

So please, feel free to repost this on any local, small forums, or other large forums i have not heard about, it gotten around to posting on yet. Lets band together, and get some changes made!
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Yea, they feel that way now until some crazed bastard walks in with a long gun and starts hosing people down. CCW holder only seconds away, but lets wait on the police who are only minutes away. Yes, much better that way.:no:
 
"Yea, they feel that way now until some crazed bastard walks in with a long gun and starts hosing people down. CCW holder only seconds away, but lets wait on the police who are only minutes away. Yes, much better that way"

Very true Hand. However, in my case, if I hear the distinctive sound of 7.62x39 rounds being fired at the other end mall, I am headed for the next exit. The firearms, that I and many others use for CC are optimal at seven yards or less. There is the full size carry crowd, but against a crazed lunatic with a long gun?

I am not a proponent of open carry. IMO, it scares the sheep, and serves no useful purpose. I have personally seen two individuals open carry. I was not impressed with their overall appearance, or demeanor. On both occasions, these zealots were packing huge pistols. One a model 29, the other a desert eagle. IMO, it was purely a case of, "Look at me". I believe those who do open carry only hinder the concealed carry cause.

Hand, you stated that open carry may save lives. If I were going to go on a shooting spree, guess who my first targets will be? "Those who might stop my homicidal rampage." My victims firearm would only add to my arsenal.

My other opinion on open carry is, in certain neighborhoods, open carry is an open invitation to be "jacked" and relieved of your firearm.

When I go to a shopping mall, or god forbid, Walmart, I always CC. IMO malls are like shooting gallery's.

As I stated earlier, my CC firearm is such that it is only a short distance weapon. It is intended only to get myself, and company out of harms way. It is not intended to go hunting for a crazed assassin with a long gun.

Open Carry may be within the laws of the respective state. IMO, it only results in more restrictive laws being passed. It brings one unnecessary attention. This is not Dodge City. It terrifies the sheep.

IMO, CC is the only way to go. IMO, CC saves lives.

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LEE HARVEY OPEN CARRY
 
Iceman, I have a question for you. if you could not CC Say you didn't have a CCW, would you OC or choose to not carry at all?
 
open carry proponent

Ice man, you seem to forget one important thing, criminals are weak, frightened opportunists, that only prey on those whom they believe are weaker. I can't recall ever having read a story or article where an open carrier was singled out for attack because he was carrying. The problem with concealed carry, and I am a licensed carrier in Texas, is that by the time you can display your weapon, a crime is already in progress. There is a deterrent factor in open carry that concealed carry doesn't offer. Yes you will have the "look at me" guys, but that is a representative few. I constantly hear of "the return of the old west", and that isn't a bad thing. If you do your homework you'll find that per capita crime rates were significantly less than they are today. Is that perhaps people were a little more respectful, a bit more restrained in their thoughts and actions, being around people who carried guns, probably. Most gun laws were originally written to prevent concealed carry, because any self respecting, law abiding citizen wore theirs openly. Back then only brigands and highwaymen kept their guns concealed. Anyway this is just one man's humble opinion.
 
P.S. I carry a Kimber .45, for defense of myself and others, a 50+ yard gun. Everyone has a reason to carry, and for those only interested in self defense a .380 0r 25 ACP might suffice. There are three types of people in this world, the wolves, the sheep, and then there are guys like me, the ones I like to call "the sheepdogs". That is a person who will engage that AK-47 wielding maniac, from cover, because it is the right thing to do, even if it represents a danger to himself. "For there is no greater love than to give ones life for another", you just have to ask yourself what you believe in. God Bless.
 
The reason I asked Iceman if he would just not carry if he couldn't CC was because Paintsnow (and myself actually) can't carry concealed, at least not yet... He is under 21 and can not yet get a CCW and I am waiting on my CCW to come in the mail so, as of now our only means of protection is to OC. I for one am glad we have the right to do so in Nevada!

I back Paintsnow 100% in what he is doing to get people to stop patronizing Anti-gun establishments! It worked with Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, and Starbucks so far! They have all taken stances that their official policy is to go along with the laws of local government in regard to firearms in their stores. This was due to the fact that they had pressure put on them by gun owners that stood up and said, You have every right not to allow carry in your stores, but know that if you don't allow us to carry in your stores, we will simply NOT do business with you!

I would be right there with you by the way Tex, I am a firm believe of "In God we trust" I would gladly lay down my own life to save even one innocent life!
 
SCJeffro said:
Iceman, I have a question for you. if you could not CC Say you didn't have a CCW, would you OC or choose to not carry at all?
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I would OC only under the following conditions. Employment, or going in harms way. Uniformed Police, Military, and armed security with carry weapons send the following message. "Interference with my mission could get you shot". The other; Going in harms way. Regarding going in harms way, I would not carry a pistol, but rather a long gun.

If any of you wish to OC, knock yourself out. It is not for me.

Regarding the poster who carries the Kimber .45, and is willing to take on someone with a long gun, I hope you have made your final arrangements.

A couple of months ago there was a poster with a Taurus .45 who claimed he could take out targets at 200 yards.

If pistols were all that, why does the miltary and swat use long guns?
 
Ice, my opinion for the most part follows yours; However, it may be more acceptable/appropriate in certain areas. Very rural areas such as Nevada, Montana, etc may be good locations for Open Carry, where Minneapolis and Tampa may not be..

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Back to the subject.. Asking Sears to follow local laws guidelines.
 
theicemanmpls said:
I would OC only under the following conditions. Employment, or going in harms way. Uniformed Police, Military, and armed security with carry weapons send the following message. "Interference with my mission could get you shot". The other; Going in harms way. Regarding going in harms way, I would not carry a pistol, but rather a long gun.
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Why then do you carry at all?

The reason I chose to carry (whether it be Open or Concealed) is as a means of protecting myself and others around me should I or they be put in imminent danger.

I guess I don't understand your reason for carrying. If you say for protection then why not OC if it was an option to you and CC was not? Unless you don't see it as being a real danger to not have a gun.. and if that is the case, then why carry one at all?

So Sorry... I digress... Sorry for hijacking the thread Paintsnow! Keep on it, if you are persistent then something will eventually get done about it!

Squeak, Squeak, Squeak, hey someone grease up that wheel! :biggrin:
 
Not trying to get too far off topic, but yes I have made my final arrangements, I did that in Basic training 23 years ago when I was told we were deploying straight from basic (we didn't). The skill is in the shooter not the gun, we carry handguns for their convenience, S.W.A.T. and the Military carry long guns because they are mission specific. BTW my local Sears has no problem carrying concealed, and I know of at least one employee that carries ( he believes in the judged by 12 mantra) and yes he is licensed.
 
Tex4oc said:
BTW my local Sears has no problem carrying concealed, and I know of at least one employee that carries ( he believes in the judged by 12 mantra) and yes he is licensed.
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According to the Corporate Policy that was quoted to me on the phone and is in writing in the emails Paintsnow posted, he and anyone else carrying in a Sears store is in violation of the NO FIREARMS policy... That is not to say that your local manager doesn't turn a blind eye to it... I mean lets face it if there is no one around enforcing the speed limit are people still going to obey it? The speed limit is still there though right? :cool:

(Hmmm I should have used the "federal immigration law" instead of the "speed limit" in that example... Oh well next time) :sarcastic:
 
In Florida (no open carry) you do not have to follow their policy.. IF they discover you are armed and ask you to leave, then you should leave without delay and without protest, otherwise you will be charged with trespassing.
But if Sears does not want me in their store, I can live with that.. They are at the Mall and I hate to go to the mall..
 
I've OC'd in both Sears and Kmart many times in my local area with no problems.

I was at Kmart about a month ago OC'ing and got into a friendly discussion with a worker there about the legality of open carry. No alarms, no cops, no being asked to leave.

I boycott Sears now in general, but nothing to do with firearms.
 
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