School posts deadly force sign...

[ezkl2230]

At least one school is bucking the trend and has posted signs warning active shooters that they will be met with deadly force.


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I like this! It takes police in Grand Rapids, MI, on average, 18 minutes to respond to 911 calls. At the beginning of the school year, they told teachers in Grand Rapids Public Schools that they need to hold out for 10 minutes, yet a report by security experts analyzing school shootings concluded that every minute it takes for police to respond to an active shooter call can result in the deaths of three or more people. So that 10 minute wait theoretically could result in the deaths of 30 people and the injury of many more. The same experts that arrived at this conclusion also concluded, based on a thorough examination of previous mass shooting events, that,

"The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks. In most states, concealed handguns are prohibited at schools and on college campuses even for those with permits. Many malls and workplaces also place signs at their entrances prohibiting firearms on the premises. Now tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers. The psychological profile of a mass murderer indicates he is looking to inflict the most casualties as quickly as possible," When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers, Brendan Keefe, 11/21/2008.

Nationally, violent crime has been trending down as firearm ownership and carry has shot up. Criminals know that they are likely to be met by an individual who has the ability to defend themself. The exceptions? Schools, malls, theaters. And where are the mass shootings occurring? Schools, malls, theaters - the very places that believe that posting a sign is sufficient to stop crime.

Let our teachers and school staff defend themselves and our children - and watch how quickly such events become a thing of the past.​

 

[Burtboomer]

WOW. A school board with balls enough to take care of there own.They have my praises

 

[Tahoetwin]

That's nice to see, if I had kids in school these days I would feel more comfortable knowing there are some responsible armed adults at school able and willing to protect my kids.
I have heard there are more women and teachers buying guns and getting permits, its about time.

 

[FNWylde]

Have to ask the source of the pic and is it truly Grand Rapids or is the narrative just pointing out that it takes 18 minutes for a 911 response in GR?

 

[FNWylde]

School Sign Warns: 'Any Attempt to Harm Kids Will Be Met With Deadly Force' | Occupy America

Arkansas School Posts Sign Warning That Teachers Are Armed, Gunmen Will Be ‘Met With Deadly Force’ - Democratic Underground

Ok, its a private shool in AR, not subject to state laws. Links to the real story posted. OP, may be best to delete the Grand Rapids narrative, misleads one to believe this is actually GR.

 

[ezkl2230]

Have to ask the source of the pic and is it truly Grand Rapids or is the narrative just pointing out that it takes 18 minutes for a 911 response in GR?

No, this is not a school in Grand Rapids. I apologize if it came across that way. My point was that I wish that Grand Rapids schools would have the guts to do such a thing, especially given the average 911 response times. I believe the sign is posted at a school in Arkansas.

 

[r1derbike]

It is an abomination that public schools in AR cannot have staff/teachers trained as security guards. Clarksville High School staff/teachers went through rigorous training and had all the proper paper work, but the AR attorney general squashed their plans to protect students, saying they could be a private company of security guards, or teachers and staff, but not both.

This from a Democratic AG, caught-up in a deadly sex scandal, and his term is up soon. The idiot will not be coming back. This moron should be held culpable for any violence from nut jobs using gun free zones as killing fields in Arkansas. Blatant stupidity does not describe his opinion on this matter, it's worse than that! There are far worse descriptions, but I can't use them here.

Whatever law he gave his opinion on, should be struck/repealed, and new legislation that is airtight put in its place. I don't know where to begin, but getting the Democratic AG and Governor out of office will be a healthy start, then replacing them with Republicans. It's being "worked-on" now.

 

[Itstjs]

Hm. Either way would be nice to see Schools open their doors to Concealed carry with proper training, or at least contract Armed Security Officers to all school locations. But as long as the liberal mind is alive, so will stupid ideas such as gun free zones.

 

[CapGun]

Link RemovedLink RemovedI wonder which sign might be more effective? After all, those that bring guns into a gun free school zone could face Federal penalties as the sign says.

 

[ezkl2230]

Link RemovedLink RemovedI wonder which sign might be more effective? After all, those that bring guns into a gun free school zone could face Federal penalties as the sign says.

The GFSZA contains an exemption for CPL holders whose states mandate background checks as part of the application process. As long as the teacher holds a CPL in a state that allows carry on school grounds they should be fine.

 

[UATKP]

The school in a little town of Harrold, TX is located just a few blocks from a major US Highway, and is easily seen while traveling. Some of their teachers have been carrying guns for several years, with school board approval.
In my home town, many of the teachers have their CHL, and our school board is supposedly considering the matter. We who are not liberals are hoping they'll allow the teachers to carry in the schools. We are attempting to get the Second Amendment Protection Act passed in Texas. If it would ever make it through, all Federal Firearms laws would be null & void. It may be a few years down the road, though.

 

[UATKP]

Latest update on Childress ISD, Quanah ISD, and Archer County ISD, in Texas: We now have armed teachers in all of our schools! Those who carry guns have received two classes already, and more will be occurring at later dates. Its a good day for the students!

 

[CoolClownFish]

Well I can tell you this.... I would love to see the schools take a stand and post the warning sign but what I do not want to see is

1. A teacher being negligent and leave their weapon where a student can get it.
2. for criminals to realize that there are many who are not prepared to fire their weapon.

Teachers in general are caring and loving people by nature. Going from that to pulling the trigger on someone is a big step and I am sure many teachers would find themselves second guessing their decision. Not to mention I dont know the teachers in my kids schools well enough to trust that they are competent enough to carry a gun around my child. Yes, I said incompetent teachers. I do know of a few at my kids school that I will not allow my kids to be a part of their class. All it takes is for one mistake or one teacher or teachers assistant to handle their gun wrong for me to live the rest of my life in misery of my child being killed. If there are to be armed people in schools there needs to be a special certification that those people should have to go through including proving that they know how to handle a gun.

This is just my opinion folks so if you want to have a discussion I am open to it but I will not respond to bashing posts.

 

[ezkl2230]

Well I can tell you this.... I would love to see the schools take a stand and post the warning sign but what I do not want to see is

1. A teacher being negligent and leave their weapon where a student can get it.
2. for criminals to realize that there are many who are not prepared to fire their weapon.

Teachers in general are caring and loving people by nature. Going from that to pulling the trigger on someone is a big step and I am sure many teachers would find themselves second guessing their decision. Not to mention I dont know the teachers in my kids schools well enough to trust that they are competent enough to carry a gun around my child. Yes, I said incompetent teachers. I do know of a few at my kids school that I will not allow my kids to be a part of their class. All it takes is for one mistake or one teacher or teachers assistant to handle their gun wrong for me to live the rest of my life in misery of my child being killed. If there are to be armed people in schools there needs to be a special certification that those people should have to go through including proving that they know how to handle a gun.

This is just my opinion folks so if you want to have a discussion I am open to it but I will not respond to bashing posts.

OK -- I have a question for you. You make the statement, "...I dont know the teachers in my kids schools well enough to trust that they are competent enough to carry a gun around my child."

Although it is difficult to do, I make a point of getting to know the teachers involved in educating my kids. Most I have been able to work with and have even developed some pretty close relationships; on the other hand, my wife (who also happens to be a public school teacher) and I helped end the career of one teacher who was in violation of IEPs and made it clear that she didn't give a rip. So what kind of effort have you made to get to know them?

Second, how many of the police in your area do you personally know well enough to be confident that they are competent enough to carry a gun around you and your family, and to entrust with your safety? Yes, I know, they are trained to handle firearms safely in bad situations. I am a staunch backer of law enforcement, but that doesn't change the fact that statistics say that you are 5-1/2 times more likely to be shot and killed by mistake by an officer than by your fellow civilian using their firearm in lawful self defense - even though those civilians use their firearms for self defense more often and actually kill more bad guys than police do.

Something to think about. It is the very nature of most teachers to be protective of their students that makes it less likely that they will take unnecessary chances with them. And by the way, it isn't just teachers who could leave their firearms unattended:

Cop leaves loaded gun in bathroom, 9 year old boy finds it | The Libertarian Republic
Massachusetts police officer suspended after leaving gun in courthouse bathroom | Fox News

 

[whodat2710]

School Sign Warns: 'Any Attempt to Harm Kids Will Be Met With Deadly Force' | Occupy America

Arkansas School Posts Sign Warning That Teachers Are Armed, Gunmen Will Be ‘Met With Deadly Force’ - Democratic Underground

Ok, its a private shool in AR, not subject to state laws. Links to the real story posted. OP, may be best to delete the Grand Rapids narrative, misleads one to believe this is actually GR.

The articles are nice. What is scary is reading what the gun-grabbers responses are. Almost makes me want to limit my gun-toting protective efforts to close friends and family just so I don't offend anyone.

 

[whodat2710]

Link RemovedLink RemovedI wonder which sign might be more effective? After all, those that bring guns into a gun free school zone could face Federal penalties as the sign says.

But when they bring them with evil intent, their goal is usually death by cop...

 

[ezkl2230]

But when they bring them with evil intent, their goal is usually death by cop...

Actually, most of the mass shooters commit suicide before the police even get to them.

 

[whodat2710]

Well I can tell you this.... I would love to see the schools take a stand and post the warning sign but what I do not want to see is

1. A teacher being negligent and leave their weapon where a student can get it.
2. for criminals to realize that there are many who are not prepared to fire their weapon.

Teachers in general are caring and loving people by nature. Going from that to pulling the trigger on someone is a big step and I am sure many teachers would find themselves second guessing their decision. Not to mention I dont know the teachers in my kids schools well enough to trust that they are competent enough to carry a gun around my child. Yes, I said incompetent teachers. I do know of a few at my kids school that I will not allow my kids to be a part of their class. All it takes is for one mistake or one teacher or teachers assistant to handle their gun wrong for me to live the rest of my life in misery of my child being killed. If there are to be armed people in schools there needs to be a special certification that those people should have to go through including proving that they know how to handle a gun.

This is just my opinion folks so if you want to have a discussion I am open to it but I will not respond to bashing posts.

I personally disagree with everything you stated, except for

Teachers in general are caring and loving people by nature.

What you fail to grasp is that that care will override almost any problem a teacher might have with capping a gangsta that threatens the students.
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I also call BS on your little signature block quote. The guy is misinformed. How can concealed carry PREVENT anything unless it is advertised that people are carrying concealed? In which case, why conceal anything?

 

[CoolClownFish]

OK -- I have a question for you. You make the statement, "...I dont know the teachers in my kids schools well enough to trust that they are competent enough to carry a gun around my child."

Although it is difficult to do, I make a point of getting to know the teachers involved in educating my kids. Most I have been able to work with and have even developed some pretty close relationships; on the other hand, my wife (who also happens to be a public school teacher) and I helped end the career of one teacher who was in violation of IEPs and made it clear that she didn't give a rip. So what kind of effort have you made to get to know them?

Second, how many of the police in your area do you personally know well enough to be confident that they are competent enough to carry a gun around you and your family, and to entrust with your safety? Yes, I know, they are trained to handle firearms safely in bad situations. I am a staunch backer of law enforcement, but that doesn't change the fact that statistics say that you are 5-1/2 times more likely to be shot and killed by mistake by an officer than by your fellow civilian using their firearm in lawful self defense - even though those civilians use their firearms for self defense more often and actually kill more bad guys than police do.

Something to think about. It is the very nature of most teachers to be protective of their students that makes it less likely that they will take unnecessary chances with them. And by the way, it isn't just teachers who could leave their firearms unattended:

Cop leaves loaded gun in bathroom, 9 year old boy finds it | The Libertarian Republic
Massachusetts police officer suspended after leaving gun in courthouse bathroom | Fox News

I have also made it a priority to try to know about the teachers in my kids school. However I have noticed that the only information that the teachers share is about the classroom and my child, Not themselves. I have no clue where the 30 something teachers stand on the issue of guns or guns in schools for protection. I also don't know them well enough to trust that they know about handling guns safely or at all for that matter. That is just not how it is here where I live. This is a public school and unless you "File" for the information in the form of a formal request you might and might not get the info. I am in no way bashing teachers, I have teachers in my family. All I am saying is I feel that a teacher or principal that is going to carry in a school with my children Will either have extensive training and certain rules or regulations in place to avoid any unforeseen issues or my kids won't go there. And to answer your question I DO NOT know any of my local police officers and with that I do not trust any of them. I also understand that it isn't just teachers who could leave their firearms unattended Thus I have taught my children from a young age how to handle most any situation they could run into regarding a gun or other weapons (The only gun control we Need is in the home....).

 

[CoolClownFish]

I personally disagree with everything you stated, except for What you fail to grasp is that that care will override almost any problem a teacher might have with capping a gangsta that threatens the students.

I really don't know how to respond to this. Capping A Gangsta? I can show you hardened criminals that would give pulling the trigger on someone a second thought. Teachers can and will defend the students in most cases. I am not saying they wouldn't, I am saying there is ALWAYS the hesitation before pulling that trigger. I have stated that I would not have problem pulling the trigger if I was put into the position where I had to but to tell you the truth I recently had an instance where if I hadn't had that (1-2 second) "second thought" I would have shot someone I shouldn't have. This was a week ago. So no matter how much people say "I am ready" or "I won't have a problem" has not had the unfortunate need to be in that position. Nobody in their right mind "Wants" to injure or kill someone. I also would like to point out that Just recently a Principal asked a Police Officer to NOT come to the school to drop his daughter off while in uniform because people are worried he carries a gun. This is exactly what I was pointing out. This is a principal that obviously has no respect for the Second Amendment or Respect for the local police officers.

I also call BS on your little signature block quote. The guy is misinformed. How can concealed carry PREVENT anything unless it is advertised that people are carrying concealed? In which case, why conceal anything?

If you click on my signature it will give you the source of the information and you can argue it with him. If you think your smarter than someone who has put in years of his life into his research, I would pay to see that debate. So please go be ignorant to him not me.