Scan and Assess

[opsspec1991]

Scan and Assess

When you are involved in a shooting incident there is a tendency to get tunnel vision. Stop and assess Instead you need to keep your head about you and scan and assess. It is all about situational awareness.

It is perfectly understandable. You just took deadly action on an immediate threat. You do need to watch the threat to make sure it is no longer a threat.

Then you need to break the tunnel vision to look to the left, right and behind you. This is to make sure that the area is safe. Only after you are sure the area is safe, do you holster your weapon.

To make sure you do this in a real situation, you need to develop the muscle memory. Practice this on the range – engage a target, look left, look right, and look behind you (keeping the weapon pointed downrange). Then holster your weapon and do the drill again.

Check out the video and let us know in the comments what you do as part of your scan and assess.

 

[NCIC105]

Also make sure no one touches the weapon the perp had...VERY IMPORTANT....


I've seen people attempt to remove the weapon....Be very careful if the perp's family is there... They will run in, while giving comfort, they will take weapon and later say...he was not armed...You shot an unarmed man...

 

[Eidolon]

One of our trainers likes to stand behind you with something in his hands and if you can't tell him what it is after you shoot you fail that course of fire

 

[Eidolon]

Also make sure no one touches the weapon the perp had...VERY IMPORTANT....


I've seen people attempt to remove the weapon....Be very careful if the perp's family is there... They will run in, while giving comfort, they will take weapon and later say...he was not armed...You shot an unarmed man...

How would a civilian with no legal authority stop them from rushing into the scene

 

[cds0699]

In regards to securing the scene after dealing with a threat, would it be better to take possession of the attackers firearm by grabbing it with a bandanna or something so the fingerprints remain in tact? Thoughts?

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[wolf_fire]

In regards to securing the scene after dealing with a threat, would it be better to take possession of the attackers firearm by grabbing it with a bandanna or something so the fingerprints remain in tact? Thoughts?

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Personally, I would not tamper with the "crime" scene. (In quotation marks because no crime may have been committed). If you are leery that the scene will be tampered with. Take pictures of the way it was after you shot if you have the level-headedness to think of it.

 

[NCIC105]

How would a civilian with no legal authority stop them from rushing into the scene

If you feel you cant guard it pick it up, Keep you prints off it....You could stand on it.....The main thing is don't let it go.....The suspect should test positive for powder residue..But you need the weapon to go with the test.

 

[NCIC105]

Personally, I would not tamper with the "crime" scene. (In quotation marks because no crime may have been committed). If you are leery that the scene will be tampered with. Take pictures of the way it was after you shot if you have the level-headedness to think of it.

Push come to shove I would take possession of the gun.....

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by NCIC105 View Post
Also make sure no one touches the weapon the perp had...VERY IMPORTANT....


I've seen people attempt to remove the weapon....Be very careful if the perp's family is there... They will run in, while giving comfort, they will take weapon and later say...he was not armed...You shot an unarmed man...

Originally Posted by cds0699 View Post
In regards to securing the scene after dealing with a threat, would it be better to take possession of the attackers firearm by grabbing it with a bandanna or something so the fingerprints remain in tact? Thoughts?

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Personally, I would not tamper with the "crime" scene. (In quotation marks because no crime may have been committed). If you are leery that the scene will be tampered with. Take pictures of the way it was after you shot if you have the level-headedness to think of it.

I believe that it would be wise for anyone who carries a gun openly or concealed to also carry, and have running, some kind of recording device (***MAKE SURE YOU OBEY THE RECORDING LAWS OF YOUR STATE!!***) in order to have a record of who did what ... with what... and who didn't do what the liars are saying YOU did.

It wouldn't help for an accomplice to run off with the attacker's gun if you have a video of him pointing it at you.

Is it a hassle to record? Sometimes... but a little hassle today is better than a 15+ year prison sentence tomorrow.

 

[Safebustr]

So now I am gonna carry a recorder around all the time videoing everything, kinda hard to do with all the other stuff going on. I carry a phone, a knife a XDS,spare mag a flashlite, wallet, car keys, etc. I already look like Fred Sanford with all my junk. I am gonna have to pass on the video tape machine.....

 

[Bikenut]

So now I am gonna carry a recorder around all the time videoing everything, kinda hard to do with all the other stuff going on. I carry a phone, a knife a XDS,spare mag a flashlite, wallet, car keys, etc. I already look like Fred Sanford with all my junk. I am gonna have to pass on the video tape machine.....

I'm only presenting reasons for a recorder.... everyone most assuredly should decide for themselves if using a recorder to protect their freedom has any merit.

I am just suggesting (except in States where recording is illegal or requires the consent of everyone) that it would be wise for folks who carry a gun to protect their lives to carry a recorder to protect themselves from the potential mess of the aftermath of having had to use that gun.

 

[2Awarrior]

How would a civilian with no legal authority stop them from rushing into the scene

Shoot them, too.

 

[2Awarrior]

Also, the only reason I even read this thread is because I thought it said "asses".

 

[wolf_fire]

So now I am gonna carry a recorder around all the time videoing everything, kinda hard to do with all the other stuff going on. I carry a phone, a knife a XDS,spare mag a flashlite, wallet, car keys, etc. I already look like Fred Sanford with all my junk. I am gonna have to pass on the video tape machine.....

Most people do now with their phones. I personally wouldn't bring a large studio quality video recorder.

 

[kelcarry]

Quite frankly, this scan and access is just situational awareness--it was mentioned in the original thread and that pretty well summarizes what it is about. You own a firearm you should have the basic common sense and intelligence to know what situational awareness is all about and how it should literally govern all your actions before, during and after any confrontation that required your firearm use. This is really very simple and it seems to get talked to death with training programs, videos and threads. They cannot hurt and are always interesting but, at least in my case, are nothing more than reaffirmation of things anyone who owns a firearm should already know and it they did not, they have been in danger ever since they purchased their firearms with, apparently, no idea about what they are doing, other than putting money on the table, filling out a form and going home with their purchase.

 

[kerb]

Every time I see this my brain interprets it as "scan and asses".


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[NCIC105]

Every time I see this my brain interprets it as "scan and asses".


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What you meant it isn't?

 

[kerb]

Careful.. The topic police will get you!


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[jcreek]

How would a civilian with no legal authority stop them from rushing into the scene

If you feel you cant guard it pick it up, Keep you prints off it....You could stand on it.....The main thing is don't let it go.....The suspect should test positive for powder residue..But you need the weapon to go with the test.

I would definitely secure the weapon if others were in the area. As far as keeping your prints off it, I wouldn't be too worried about that. Picking up and securing a weapon to keep it out of reach of others in the area, (other threats, children, distraught family members, etc.) is a common sense move. It's not like you're going to lie to the police about having picked it up so there's no reason your prints shouldn't be on the weapon. The only real concern is accidentally taking the perps prints off the weapon and just picking it up and securing it shouldn't do that.