Save a kitty/refuse to ID/get shot dead by cop

BluesStringer

Les Brers
It seems to happen less frequently down here in Alabama, but it's sadly not unheard of. An unarmed man is shot in Dothan, AL for trying to turn in a stray kitten without "proper" ID to (I guess) a state run animal shelter. There was zero reason to arrest the man. They could've just told him to take the kitten and leave, but no, the cops had to escalate to the point of some unspecified amount of struggle after first tazing the man, and then shooting him in the gut, sustaining a wound that caused his death about eight or nine hours later.

If I'm not mistaken, the same member (Oldgrunt) who posted a "A Tribute to Police" lives in the same town where this happened. Expect no riots or protests for this man to disturb anyone's peace down there. He was white. This will likely be the last thing you will ever hear about it, except maybe when I or other awake and aware posters here deign to say out loud that we don't trust the cops, we will add this to the stories like Kelly Thomas, Keith Vidal, Eric Garner, Jose Guerena and the many other dead bodies piled up for minor or no crimes at all at the hands of the police state that all you tribute-givers support by voting for the R's or D's who have spent the last century building it.

Anyway.......



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January 3, 2015 2:49 am

It seems like I’m writing about one bad cop after another lately. Truth be told, I have written several articles about good cops in the past month as well. Sadly, my father, a cop of 4 decades, would have sat me down and explained that if good cops don’t step up and clean house, the untrained, careless, grossly negligent or just plain bad cops will taint the entire department. Good cops clean house.

This story is about a couple of untrained or grossly negligent cops and a man trying to do the right thing.

Robert Lawrence wanted to do a good deed. Unfortunately, it cost Robert his life when he was shot and killed by police at an animal shelter.



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On December 30, 2014, Robert tried to turn over a stray cat to an animal shelter located in a small Alabama town. For some unknown reason, before the shelter would take in the stray cat, he was required to produce an acceptable piece of identification to shelter employees.

Robert was a self-described ‘sovereign citizen,’ a believer in common law but not the laws of the federal government. He did not have a driver’s license nor did he have any other governmental identification. But that is of no import as he was simply trying to bring a stray cat into an animal shelter.

Robert had a prior criminal record. Again, this was of no import as he was simply trying to bring a stray cat into an animal shelter.

Robert was unarmed and yet, he was shot to death by armed police called to the animal shelter after he was unable to produce any identification. He apparently became upset when the shelter employees would not accept his ‘sovereign citizen’ paperwork as identification. There is nothing to indicate that Robert caused any disturbance, became violent or had threatened any of the shelter employees. His ‘crime’ was bringing in a stray cat to an animal shelter without the ‘proper’ identification. This act caused the shelter employees to call the police who dispatched two officers of the Dothan Police Department to the shelter.

Still upset that the shelter simply would not take the cat off his hands, the presence of the police did little to ease the tension of the situation.

According to Sergeant Maurice Eggleston:
“After repeatedly being told to calm down, Lawrence was advised he was being placed under arrest. A physical altercation ensued, to which Lawrence was shot in the abdomen (by an officer).”

Link Removedby the department, there was some indication that one of the officers had used a Taser on Robert before he was shot in the stomach. Neither of the police officers reported being injured during this alleged incident and Robert was never reported to have made an attempt to grab either of the officers’ guns.

Since the shooting, much attention has been paid to Robert’s political views and checkered criminal record. Again, in case anyone is confused about how I see this shooting, his criminal history is of no import as he was simply trying to bring a stray cat into an animal shelter.

What remains unanswered is why this even happened. Before the police were called or arrived, why didn’t the shelter just take in the stray cat that was being dropped off by a good deed doer?

Why didn’t the officers just send Robert on his way after they made sure that no one was in danger?

If they really had to make an arrest, how is it that two officers with Tasers couldn’t subdue a man with a cat? Why in the world did they resort to deadly force?

Regardless of who Robert Lawrence was, he deserved better. Whatever his past bad deeds, at the moment in time he was killed, he was just a Good Samaritan bringing a stray cat into an animal shelter, and now he’s dead.

As a side note, a friend made mention that Robert was white. I responded, “Don’t you know, unarmed is the new black.” In this case, it would appear so.


Let the badgefluffing begin.........


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I will dig into this story tomorrow. But on first glance, we have a sovereign radical that believes in freedom above all else, turning a cat that could fend for itself in the wild as a free feral animal, over to animal police to be locked into a cage and later killed? Does this make any sense in basic terms? Seems odd to me, someone so hellbent on staying free would want another free creature to die or even be incarcerated.
 
Sleep is overrated so i looked him up at 230am.

A man who died a few hours after being shot by a Dothan police officer outside the Dothan Animal Shelter on Tuesday had recently served time in jail for making threats to government employees and also had two women file protection orders against him earlier in the year.

Robert Earl Lawrence, 30, was shot around 1 p.m. Tuesday after an altercation with a police officer.

According to a department press release, the altercation began when Lawrence attempted to deliver a stray animal to an animal shelter employee.

Lawrence, who police said considered himself a sovereign citizen, became belligerent when told he needed to produce identification. An officer told Lawrence he was being placed under arrest, after which a confrontation occurred and Lawrence was shot in the abdomen.

Lawrence had a lengthy history in the court system, including pleading guilty earlier this year to harassing communications, stemming from a January 2013 phone call to the State Department of Human Resources.

According to court documents, Lawrence threatened during the call to behave in a manner similar to Jimmy Lee Dykes, who at the time was holding a child hostage in an underground bunker in southern Dale County.

In the same call, Lawrence also allegedly made reference to the then-recent Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

Lawrence was charged in both Geneva and Montgomery counties for making terrorist threats, though only Montgomery County chose to prosecute him.

He eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of harassing communications, serving 90 days in jail.

“He made a statement threatening violence if somebody at the State DHR didn’t listen to him,” said Geneva County District Attorney Kirke Adams. “He had quite the history with DHR involving custody of his children.”

Adams said he eventually decided to let Montgomery handle Lawrence’s prosecution since the call was made from a cell phone.

“Myself, the DA in Montgomery and the (Alabama Bureau of Investigations) all conferred about where the best place to resolve this case was,” he said. “Our concern at the time was being able to prove he was actually in Geneva County when he made the phone call. What we did know was the call was received in Montgomery. He pled guilty to the misdemeanor charge and was ordered to serve some amount of time, which very much upset him, according to my contacts in Montgomery.”

Lawrence also had protection orders filed against him earlier this year by two different women, Delila Mahoney and Crystal Lawrence, each of whom had children with him.

Mahoney’s petition for protection claimed Lawrence had choked her, while Crystal Lawrence claimed he threatened to kill her.

Various court documents list Robert Lawrence’s address in different areas, including Slocomb, Micco, Fla., and two different addresses on Rehobeth Road.

Adams said Lawrence never identified himself as a sovereign citizen during the terrorist threat case, but “he sure showed signs of being anti-government.”

Adams also said Lawrence had a clear history of anger issues.

No shelter employees or animals were hurt during the incident, nor was the officer who shot Lawrence.

The State Bureau of Investigations is investigating the shooting.


http://m.dothaneagle.com/news/crime...c40-913a-11e4-b124-53824fdb6675.html?mode=jqm

One dead POS, nothing to see here move on. Lol
 
Sleep is overrated so i looked him up at 230am.

A man who died a few hours after being shot by a Dothan police officer outside the Dothan Animal Shelter on Tuesday had recently served time in jail for making threats to government employees and also had two women file protection orders against him earlier in the year.

Robert Earl Lawrence, 30, was shot around 1 p.m. Tuesday after an altercation with a police officer.

According to a department press release, the altercation began when Lawrence attempted to deliver a stray animal to an animal shelter employee.

Lawrence, who police said considered himself a sovereign citizen, became belligerent when told he needed to produce identification. An officer told Lawrence he was being placed under arrest, after which a confrontation occurred and Lawrence was shot in the abdomen.

Lawrence had a lengthy history in the court system, including pleading guilty earlier this year to harassing communications, stemming from a January 2013 phone call to the State Department of Human Resources.

According to court documents, Lawrence threatened during the call to behave in a manner similar to Jimmy Lee Dykes, who at the time was holding a child hostage in an underground bunker in southern Dale County.

In the same call, Lawrence also allegedly made reference to the then-recent Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

Lawrence was charged in both Geneva and Montgomery counties for making terrorist threats, though only Montgomery County chose to prosecute him.

He eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of harassing communications, serving 90 days in jail.

“He made a statement threatening violence if somebody at the State DHR didn’t listen to him,” said Geneva County District Attorney Kirke Adams. “He had quite the history with DHR involving custody of his children.”

Adams said he eventually decided to let Montgomery handle Lawrence’s prosecution since the call was made from a cell phone.

“Myself, the DA in Montgomery and the (Alabama Bureau of Investigations) all conferred about where the best place to resolve this case was,” he said. “Our concern at the time was being able to prove he was actually in Geneva County when he made the phone call. What we did know was the call was received in Montgomery. He pled guilty to the misdemeanor charge and was ordered to serve some amount of time, which very much upset him, according to my contacts in Montgomery.”

Lawrence also had protection orders filed against him earlier this year by two different women, Delila Mahoney and Crystal Lawrence, each of whom had children with him.

Mahoney’s petition for protection claimed Lawrence had choked her, while Crystal Lawrence claimed he threatened to kill her.

Various court documents list Robert Lawrence’s address in different areas, including Slocomb, Micco, Fla., and two different addresses on Rehobeth Road.

Adams said Lawrence never identified himself as a sovereign citizen during the terrorist threat case, but “he sure showed signs of being anti-government.”

Adams also said Lawrence had a clear history of anger issues.

No shelter employees or animals were hurt during the incident, nor was the officer who shot Lawrence.

The State Bureau of Investigations is investigating the shooting.


Man killed by Dothan cop had violent past - Crime Court - Dothan Eagle

One dead POS, nothing to see here move on. Lol

Don't stop there, investigate the cops. Let's see if they have any dirty laundry.
 
There is something radically wrong with the way police are acting these days. From the militarization of the local police forces to the way to many police incidents of cops killing unarmed citizens. Something has to be done. Letting it a get a pass is much like what happened in Nazi Germany with the Gestapo. Any resistance violent or not should not be a death sentence.
 
Gilfo also sees the resemblance to nazi Germany...no wonder N R A sided with the state.

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One dead POS, nothing to see here move on. Lol
Doesn't matter if he had prior murder convictions. I'll just be consistent and go with Rule 404. "Evidence of a person’s character or character trait is not admissible to prove that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character or trait."
Just because a cop has killed 14 dogs in the course of his 3-year career doesn't mean that he killed the 15th for the same reasons.

The guy may have been the greatest scumbag of the earth, that doesn't give law enforcement leeway to kill him because of prior acts.


BluesStringer, I heartily share your sentiments.
 
Sounds like he had MORE than 3 strikes. Why was he still out of jail? Maybe some Judge needs to be replaced.
 
...Robert was unarmed and yet, he was shot to death by armed police called to the animal shelter after he was unable to produce any identification. He apparently became upset when the shelter employees would not accept his ‘sovereign citizen’ paperwork as identification. There is nothing to indicate that Robert caused any disturbance, became violent or had threatened any of the shelter employees....
Really? If you follow the links to the original source, you get this:
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Lawrence became disorderly after he was told he couldn't leave the animal without producing identification.
Dothan police officer shoots, injures sovereign citizen during altercation outside animal shelter | AL.com
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Why do so many people never seem to want to go to the original source to confirm things?
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There's also these:
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Lawrence, who police said considered himself a sovereign citizen, became belligerent when told he needed to produce identification.
Man killed by Dothan cop had violent past - Dothan Eagle: Crime Court
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Lawrence, a sovereign citizen, became disorderly after being told he could not leave the animal without producing identification. After repeatedly being told to calm down, Lawrence was advised he was being placed under arrest. A physical altercation ensued, to which Lawrence was shot in the abdomen.
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Officers arrived on scene after Lawrence was acting "disorderly" for being unable to leave the animal with an animal shelter employee.
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He did cause a disturbance, and he started an altercation with the police, which the article later states after first claiming that he did nothing wrong, which makes absolutely no sense. But the suggestion that he was being arrested, or was shot, for trying to save a cat or for failure to provide identification is ridiculous. He was shot because he created a disturbance that he escalated to an altercation when the police arrived. Whether or not that was justified is still under investigation, but it wasn't over a cat or an ID as the story linked in the OP claims. We keep hearing about black people jumping to conclusions without just cause when a black person gets shot by police. It seems that's becoming very prevalent among white people now too.
 
At the point that a police officer stops you for anything and asks or orders you to do something, your reaction will set the tone of the outcome. Negative reaction on your part will usually get a more negative response from the officer. Why? because in all instances you are to comply with his order. If you chose not to you are already proceeding down the wrong road. Today, there is a increase of people , who for some reason think they can disobey the police command and argue or fight their way out of it. Stop and think about that. They think that they can argue or fight their way out of a arrest situation. No going to happen. You are traveling deeper into quicksand. It is plain to see in the cases of Michael Brown and others that had they submitted to the officers instructions they would still be alive today. In stead they chose to argue or fight.
Let's take the case of Michael Brown for example. If he had just done what he was instructed to do, he would at worst have been arrest for robbery, spent some time in jail and got out to live his life. By his very actions and words, he decided to disrespect the law and police officer. By his very words and actions he chose the outcome. If he had been able to get the gun away from the officer, I believe he would have taken the next step and shot the officer. After all he was a good deal bigger than the police officer. He didn't respect the store owner, he didn't respect the laws, he didn't respect the officer, and didn't respect life, his or that of any one else. He cost himself his own life. Same thing happened to Garner and others. Bad choices, bring bad results.
 
because in all instances you are to comply with his order.

What an utter defeatist bullcrap lie.... YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT to resist false arrest! You do NOT have to follow UNLAWFUL ORDERS...... Get a clue before spouting off such nonsense again.
 
Like I said when I opened this thread, let the badgefluffing begin. Took a little longer than I thought it would to get on a roll, but you statist, badgefluffing, murder-minded cretins never fail in your predictability.

The cops could've just said, "Take your kitten and get lost unless you're willing to ID yourself." There is no report of Lawrence having gotten violent with the cops, yet he gets tased first, and then shot and killed, armed only with a stray cat.

You people quite literally sicken me.

Blues
 
What an utter defeatist bullcrap lie.... YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT to resist false arrest! You do NOT have to follow UNLAWFUL ORDERS...... Get a clue before spouting off such nonsense again.

Had the cops been carrying Jennings pistols, the bad guy and his cat would have started laughing, and went home. :yes4:
 
At the point that a police officer stops you for anything and asks or orders you to do something, your reaction will set the tone of the outcome. Negative reaction on your part will usually get a more negative response from the officer. Why? because in all instances you are to comply with his order. If you chose not to you are already proceeding down the wrong road. Today, there is a increase of people , who for some reason think they can disobey the police command and argue or fight their way out of it. Stop and think about that. They think that they can argue or fight their way out of a arrest situation. No going to happen. You are traveling deeper into quicksand. It is plain to see in the cases of Michael Brown and others that had they submitted to the officers instructions they would still be alive today. In stead they chose to argue or fight.

And what's really cool about that is that if you simply voluntarily and politely comply with all the orders of the police officers you also significantly reduce your chance of proving in court that you were unlawfully detained by the police officer because you voluntarily chose to engage in the encounter with them! What an awesome deal! About the best you can hope for is that the officer just walks up to you and tases you without speaking a word and there is some independent video capture of it. All because you automatically "respect and trust" officer friendly....
 

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