Rule one, carry whenever possible...

[HK4U]

Here in Texas a no guns allowed sign means nothing. It must be the states "official" sign. If it is not I ignore it. If it is a place that I can not carry, unless I absolutely have to, I do not go.

 

[gdcleanfun]

Saw this on another forum. Carry whenever possible or it may just be your unlucky day. You're going to get involved in a vehicle accident when you forget to put your seat belt on. You are going to be a victim of a violent crime when you're not carrying and you should be.

Pack it or be prepared to pack it in.

Finally, I found the info. I wasn't wrong. My instructor wasn't wrong. Tony DeMeo, Nye County's Sheriff isn't wrong. See Link Removedarticle in the Nye County Newspaper, "The Pahrump Valley Times" April 22, 2005 issue, titled "Right to bear arms always exercised in Nye County" a blurb of which is pasted below. The restrictions below are for open carry as the article states. If we cannot open carry then we also cannot concealed carry. Both casinos and courthouses are restricted areas in Nye county. I sure don't want to know that someone didn't know the law and came over the hump to Pahrump from Las Vegas and carried into a casino. (Well, I'd laugh if one person did.)

fftopic: BTW, Ray, the fellow in the article, still stands on Highway 160 or Highway 372 nearly every day while wearing his 6 shooters and waving a flag on a 6-foot pole. He's a really nice fellow.

Quoted from the article:
...
And the question always comes up as to the locations where a person cannot carry a firearm. The following are the places that firearms without a doubt are not permitted:

(a) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

(b) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public school or the property of the Nevada Higher Education System. This also includes public school buses.

(c) While on the premises of a casino

(d) While in the premise of a courthouse or courtroom.
...
End quote

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

What a hack...

Finally, I found the info. I wasn't wrong. My instructor wasn't wrong. Tony DeMeo, Nye County's Sheriff isn't wrong. See Link Removedarticle in the Nye County Newspaper, "The Pahrump Valley Times" April 22, 2005 issue, titled "Right to bear arms always exercised in Nye County" a blurb of which is pasted below. The restrictions below are for open carry as the article states. If we cannot open carry then we also cannot concealed carry. Both casinos and courthouses are restricted areas in Nye county. I sure don't want to know that someone didn't know the law and came over the hump to Pahrump from Las Vegas and carried into a casino. (Well, I'd laugh if one person did.)

fftopic: BTW, Ray, the fellow in the article, still stands on Highway 160 or Highway 372 nearly every day while wearing his 6 shooters and waving a flag on a 6-foot pole. He's a really nice fellow.

Quoted from the article:
...
And the question always comes up as to the locations where a person cannot carry a firearm. The following are the places that firearms without a doubt are not permitted:

(a) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

(b) While on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public school or the property of the Nevada Higher Education System. This also includes public school buses.

(c) While on the premises of a casino

(d) While in the premise of a courthouse or courtroom.
...
End quote

What a hack. He's a reporter, not a LEO, attorney, legislator, judge or CCW instructor. I cite State law. I wouldn't trust your DA's office for advice since your DA will be answering to DUI charges in CA. If your instructor is relying upon the media for their information they need to be put out of business. Tony DeMeo has been the Sheriff most likely to be contacted by a State legislator, pro-firearm organization or the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Assocation for violating State law with respect to the issuance of NV CFPs. He hasn't been sued yet. When Sheriff DeMeo is called on State law, he backs down really quick. There are several threads on here of his abuses. I also CCW'd in a Pahrump casino recently. It was not posted that I saw, granted I don't really look since it has no force of law outside of simple trespass in this State.

Here's what State law says;

NRS 202.3673 Permittee authorized to carry concealed firearm while on premises of public building; exceptions; penalty.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 2 and 3, a permittee may carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of any public building.

2. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

3. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of:

(a) A public building that is located on the property of a public school or a child care facility or the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, unless the permittee has obtained written permission to carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subparagraph (3) of paragraph (a) of subsection 3 of NRS 202.265.

(b) A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance or a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building, unless the permittee is not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subsection 4.​

4. The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 3 do not prohibit:

(a) A permittee who is a judge from carrying a concealed firearm in the courthouse or courtroom in which he presides or from authorizing a permittee to carry a concealed firearm while in the courtroom of the judge and while traveling to and from the courtroom of the judge.

(b) A permittee who is a prosecuting attorney of an agency or political subdivision of the United States or of this State from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building.

(c) A permittee who is employed in the public building from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building.

(d) A permittee from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building if the permittee has received written permission from the person in control of the public building to carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of the public building.​

5. A person who violates subsection 2 or 3 is guilty of a misdemeanor.

6. As used in this section:

(a) “Child care facility” has the meaning ascribed to it in paragraph (a) of subsection 5 of NRS 202.265.

(b) “Public building” means any building or office space occupied by:

(1) Any component of the Nevada System of Higher Education and used for any purpose related to the System; or

(2) The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose. If only part of the building is occupied by an entity described in this subsection, the term means only that portion of the building which is so occupied.
​

(Added to NRS by 1995, 2725; A 1997, 63; 1999, 2767; 2007, 1914)
​

No where does State law specify a casino as a prohibited area nor does the Link Removed nor does the Link Removed.

 

[gdcleanfun]

Yup, you're right, he's a reporter. But he's reporting the same thing my instructor taught. And, you are correct in citing the state law, but incorrect in thinking that it's always the case. T here are exceptions. (Seems as if there are always exceptions, n'est pas?) State law doesn't tell us that we cannot conceal carry in North Las Vegas. But that's the law in North Las Vegas. That law was grandfathered in. When you drive the I15 through North Las Vegas and you carry you are subject to arrest. State law does not tell us we cannot carry concealed in Boulder City. But that's the law in Boulder City. So, we do have some exceptions. Aren't the exceptions what usually trip us up?

As well, Las Vegas is in a completely different county than Pahrump. OMG, never ever say that their laws are our laws, or that all of Nevada is just an extension of Las Vegas. If you think they do, or that it is so, then go ahead and tell me that prostitution is legal there in Las Vegas.:smile: It's certainly not, but it is legal here in Nye County.

To say that it's legal to carry everywhere in Nevada isn't a good idea, especially when said to an LEO.:smile: That would be like saying that you think prostitution is legal everywhere in Nevada. It's certainly not, though many people from California think so. I'm from California, once upon a long time ago, and I thought so. Now I know better.:smile::smile:

fftopic:I hope you enjoyed your breakfast. Have you tried breakfast at Mom's Cafe?

fftopic: By the way, how did the Nye County DA get into this? That's a bit off topic, me thinks, and possibly fodder for a different forum, yes?

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Yup, you're right, he's a reporter. But he's reporting the same thing my instructor taught. And, you are correct in citing the state law, but incorrect in thinking that it's always the case. T here are exceptions.

It is State law now as of the first of this year. The only county code that is still existance is the Clark County handgun registration code. The only reason LVMPD won't let that die is they will lose a portion of their budget for their Firearm Unit dealing with handgun registration. That was also modified by SB92 to make it much more visitor friendly. The respective State laws that were changed by SB92 are NRS 244.364, 268.418 and 269.222. Those statutes dictate by the State what a county, city and town can do with respect to the regulation of firearms and ammunition. Bottom line is they can't. Any codes or ordinances on the books except from the Clark County handgun registration code were invalidated by State law. I also went to renew my NV CFP at the LVMPD CCW Detail last week. They no longer ask for your blue cards. It appears that the firearms on your permit no longer need to be registered to you. I'll clarify that when I see Sgt Johnson to get added to the LVMPD CFP instructor list.

(Seems as if there are always exceptions, n'est pas?) State law doesn't tell us that we cannot conceal carry in North Las Vegas. But that's the law in North Las Vegas. That law was grandfathered in.

The North Las Vegas deadly weapon codes exempted permit holders. They only effected open and vehicle carry by non-permit holders.

When you drive the I15 through North Las Vegas and you carry you are subject to arrest. State law does not tell us we cannot carry concealed in Boulder City. But that's the law in Boulder City. So, we do have some exceptions. Aren't the exceptions what usually trip us up?

SB92 invalidated everything but the Clark County handgun registration code. Also NLVPD does not enforce the traffic laws on I-15, NHP does. NHP does not enforce NLV codes, only State law.

As well, Las Vegas is in a completely different county than Pahrump. OMG, never ever say that their laws are our laws, or that all of Nevada is just an extension of Las Vegas. If you think they do, or that it is so, then go ahead and tell me that prostitution is legal there in Las Vegas.:smile: It's certainly not, but it is legal here in Nye County.

Not anymore with respect to firearms by State law. We have a strong State preemption law.

To say that it's legal to carry everywhere in Nevada isn't a good idea, especially when said to an LEO.:smile: That would be like saying that you think prostitution is legal everywhere in Nevada. It's certainly not, though many people from California think so. I'm from California, once upon a long time ago, and I thought so. Now I know better.:smile::smile:

It is State law that dictates that legal brothels can only be in rural areas under NRS 244.345. Mayor Oscar Goodman would like to see that changed so we can put one on the Fremont Street experience. Nye County doesn't want that changed as it would be bad for business there.

 

[gdcleanfun]

It is State law now as of the first of this year. The only county code that is still existance is the Clark County handgun registration code. The only reason LVMPD won't let that die is they will lose a portion of their budget for their Firearm Unit dealing with handgun registration. That was also modified by SB92 to make it much more visitor friendly. The respective State laws that were changed by SB92 are NRS 244.364, 268.418 and 269.222. Those statutes dictate by the State what a county, city and town can do with respect to the regulation of firearms and ammunition. Bottom line is they can't. Any codes or ordinances on the books except from the Clark County handgun registration code were invalidated by State law. I also went to renew my NV CFP at the LVMPD CCW Detail last week. They no longer ask for your blue cards. It appears that the firearms on your permit no longer need to be registered to you. I'll clarify that when I see Sgt Johnson to get added to the LVMPD CFP instructor list.

The North Las Vegas deadly weapon codes exempted permit holders. They only effected open and vehicle carry by non-permit holders.

SB92 invalidated everything but the Clark County handgun registration code. Also NLVPD does not enforce the traffic laws on I-15, NHP does. NHP does not enforce NLV codes, only State law.

Not anymore with respect to firearms by State law. We have a strong State preemption law.

It is State that dictates that legal brothels can only be in rural areas under NRS 244.345. Mayor Oscar Goodman would like to see that changed so we can put one on the Fremont Street experience. Nye County doesn't want that changed as it would be bad for business there.

Hmmm, well then, it looks like my instructor needs to be instructed. Thanks for the updates. What a hack back atcha.

Sorry, what is a blue card?

I'm shaking my head at my goof on LVMPD and the I15. I know that, I meant to say that. I was thinking the city and I cited the freeway. Mea culpa. I'm human.

It's nice to know that the state is taking charge of the whole state. Now if we can just tug on California's ear...

Oscar Goodman is also human. But, so is the owner of The Kingdom, or more commonly called,"The Castle." Does he believe that prostitution is supposed to be in rural areas? Maybe he's just another misinformed Pahrumpian. Tee hee.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Hmmm, well then, it looks like my instructor needs to be instructed. Thanks for the updates. What a hack back atcha.

A good instructor will follow what applies now; not rubber stamp what he's been told by the sheriff that certified them to conduct classes and qualify permit applicants. I follow the State laws and the legislature closely. I attend the Nevada Sheriffs and Sheriffs and Chiefs Association sponsored CCW forums. I keep informed. If your instructor does not do that and provide a resource to their alumni to check current issues with respect to CCW they are doing their students a great disservice. The only reason I don't have a JD and a practing attorney is because I don't have the patience to go through law school.

Sorry, what is a blue card?

Clark County handgun registration card. They only exist here for Clark County residents and we want them to go away. They will eventually. We have bigger fish to fry.

Now if we can just tug on California's ear...

What ear? CA never had RKBA in their State Constitution.

Oscar Goodman is also human. But, so is the owner of The Kingdom, or more commonly called,"The Castle." Does he believe that prostitution is supposed to be in rural areas? Maybe he's just another misinformed Pahrumpian. Tee hee.

Oscar wants anything that's good for Vegas. He sees the revenue associated with legalized prostitution in Vegas. That's why he wants it here. I can't disagree with him. He's been a very good mayor. While term limits weed out the bad apples, they also eliminate the good candidates.

 

[gdcleanfun]

Quote:
Now if we can just tug on California's ear...
What ear? CA never had RKBA in their State Constitution.


I guess I could elaborate...
They have no RKBA - that's my point. Someday, maybe, just maybe, the people and the state of California will understand what it means when the Supreme Court holds that the Second Amendment is not just about hunting and that citizen carry means lower crime rates. The citizenry and those in power there "jes dun gettit." They need a wake up call and I don't mean an e-quake.

 

[Glock Fan]

It is State law now as of the first of this year. The only county code that is still existance is the Clark County handgun registration code. The only reason LVMPD won't let that die is they will lose a portion of their budget for their Firearm Unit dealing with handgun registration. That was also modified by SB92 to make it much more visitor friendly. The respective State laws that were changed by SB92 are NRS 244.364, 268.418 and 269.222. Those statutes dictate by the State what a county, city and town can do with respect to the regulation of firearms and ammunition. Bottom line is they can't. Any codes or ordinances on the books except from the Clark County handgun registration code were invalidated by State law. I also went to renew my NV CFP at the LVMPD CCW Detail last week. They no longer ask for your blue cards. It appears that the firearms on your permit no longer need to be registered to you. I'll clarify that when I see Sgt Johnson to get added to the LVMPD CFP instructor list.

The North Las Vegas deadly weapon codes exempted permit holders. They only effected open and vehicle carry by non-permit holders.

SB92 invalidated everything but the Clark County handgun registration code. Also NLVPD does not enforce the traffic laws on I-15, NHP does. NHP does not enforce NLV codes, only State law.

Not anymore with respect to firearms by State law. We have a strong State preemption law.

It is State law that dictates that legal brothels can only be in rural areas under NRS 244.345. Mayor Oscar Goodman would like to see that changed so we can put one on the Fremont Street experience. Nye County doesn't want that changed as it would be bad for business there.

So does this mean that if I have a permit from FL, which NV now honors, I can carry concealed firearm in places like North Las Vegas since the new state law invalidates their previous ordinances?



gf

 

[gdcleanfun]

I will no longer rely on that instructor and I'll go back to my normal practice of researching things for myself as I used to do all those years as a paralegal. I won't slip again!

I found a site online that offers the NRS. I'l look for one that has state bills. I would like to read if the law was changed to include only the categories of pistol and revolver rather than the specific firearm piece that we'd like to carry.

Thanks again for the update.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Yes

So does this mean that if I have a permit from FL, which NV now honors, I can carry concealed firearm in places like North Las Vegas since the new state law invalidates their previous ordinances?

Yes or any other endorsement, license or permit that is on the Link Removed. I would also make sure that your FL or UT CFP matches your DL. If I recall correctly, all of the other States if I recall correctly are invalidated the moment you cease to be a resident of that State except for maybe AK and TN.

TN DPS does require a change of address notification and will allow you to keep your CHL if you cease to be a resident until it is expired or revoked. The only other State that may allow you to keep your CCW after ceasing to be a resident of the State may be AK. All others the last time I checked are invalidated or require you to surrender them to the issuing authority.

If you're arrested or cited for illegal CCW legally carrying on a recognized State in Boulder City or North Las Vegas you do have grounds in my opinion for a very good lawsuit against the LEO and agency that arrested you as it would be a felony arrest. I would keep the NV DPS recognition printout with you as the recognition statute about a year old now. While NV DPS and the Sheriffs and Chiefs have stated they have notified all police chiefs and they do have a say in if a State gets added to the NV recognition list this information may not make it to all NV LEOs.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

I will no longer rely on that instructor and I'll go back to my normal practice of researching things for myself as I used to do all those years as a paralegal. I won't slip again!

I live by the ancient Russian proverb which became the late President Reagan's signature phrase, "trust but verfy" or in Russian "doveryai, no proveryai" (Russian Cyrillic: Доверяй, но проверяй)). I also like traveling to MO regularly and their saying is "show me." I also make a guarantee to my students if you find a legal error that I have pointed out with a code, law or statute and can prove the error at the time you took my class I will refund your instruction fee. This does not apply to portions of the NRS that have big gray areas which will require case law to further refine. My interpretation of the child care prohibition encompasses the real estate the child care facility is on.

UNLV PD and UNR PD make it a habit of arresting CCW holders that drive through public roads going through their campus. CSN PD probably does the same thing as well. It was mentioned by Undersheriff Powell who is the chair of the CCW subcommittee that he does not agree with this policy and made some remarks regarding CCW detour signs for motorists during the last public CCW forum held by the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association.

I found a site online that offers the NRS. I'l look for one that has state bills. I would like to read if the law was changed to include only the categories of pistol and revolver rather than the specific firearm piece that we'd like to carry.

Thanks again for the update.

Assemblyman Settelmeyer and State Senator Heck have filed two BDRs pertaining to firearms. State Senator Heck is one of my State Senators and I'll be asking him about his BDR this weekend. He's been very responsive and supportive of RKBA. I am willing to bet one is to repeal at least the child care prohibition and the other is to make qualification for any semi-auto. There was talk during the last legislative session to the college and university prohibition because of the VA Tech incident but it was too late in the session to get a bill introduced.

 

[45fella]

Good read Don, but really its just common sense to carry everywhere and anywhere. Even a couple of those places where we can't legally carry, we should. Depending on where those places are and how bad the area is, I still do. When its my life thats up for grabs, I make the rules, not the government. Like right now, the polling places we have to go to are in the ghetto, nasty areas of our county. Nothing but loud, loser, crack-head, low-lifes hanging around inside and outside and maybe 1-2 cops to watch over 1,000 people. Hell if I'm not carrying. Thats just the place for trouble, the state isn't gonna make me vulnerable. You know the saying, " I'd rather face a judge than a coroner." And since Obama is in the race, you know what type of people are out in force, unlike any other election year.

I remember my CWL course 18 years ago here in Florida. The instructor was great, and he did mention that we all need to carry our guns 100% of the time that we're legal to. Only place I don't carry my gun besides the obvious places with metal detectors, are in bars/clubs, anytime I'm going out drinking alcohol (although the law in Florida says you can still use dealy force if your life is threatened while intoxicated 790.151(5)) and at professional sporting events (doubt anything will happen while at a football game).

Schools, colleges, post offices....we need them there these days, there's shooting at these places regularly in our country.

Anyhoo.....carry, carry, carry. leasantry:

 

[SteveB]

Seeing that video makes the trouble of carrying a concealed pistol worth the trouble.

It only seems like trouble for a short time. Then it becomes natural. I now feel an emptiness if going somewhere I can't carry.

 

[Tucker's Mom]

It only seems like trouble for a short time. Then it becomes natural. I now feel an emptiness if going somewhere I can't carry.

Same here...it has been bugging me all day on some places where I am not allowed to carry...:wacko:

 

[JJFlash]

Same here...it has been bugging me all day on some places where I am not allowed to carry...:wacko:

I carry 24/7. Everywhere I have to be. Who gets to make the call on my need for personal self-protection? I do. No one else. It's a GOD-given right.

 

[Tucker's Mom]

I carry 24/7. Everywhere I have to be. Who gets to make the call on my need for personal self-protection? I do. No one else. It's a GOD-given right.

Actually, I do not mean establishments...I don't go to establishments where I am not allowed to carry. I make that decision with my wallet. What I was actually thinking then were my neighbours' places. Last year some members of our neighbourhood estate started getting together (which includes my husband and me) for game nights. My husband, being the proud-of-his-wife one, had been telling everyone how I always outshoot him in the range, etc., etc. You know, sometimes he "overtells" so not wanting to rain on his parade, so I kept my peace and just smiled.

Anyway, the last time we were at our "game night", we held it across the road from us. The male owner of the residence suddenly came to me, pretending to greet me and quickly frisked me and said, you are not carrying, are you? I was offended but I still did not say anything. I just made it a point to be more smarter than all of them (I beat them to their game!) and told myself that it will be the last time I am going to step into that house. I haven't told my husband yet what happened that night, but I had been contemplating on telling him that soon at the time when this post came out. The thing about this is that, it means I am uninviting ourselves to these neighbourhood events because we are the only ones that carries. I know it is just a short walk to go home across the road and we will be safely home but criminal events do not make an appointment, that was what was on my mind. If I cannot carry, then I am out of that so-called "events". I do not want to compromise our safety.

 

[jreXD9]

I only carry on the days that end in y.

I carry only when I'm awake and when I'm asleep a pistol is 2 ft away.

 

[ozarkgunner]

I carry all the time. Sometimes my wife thinks I'm crazy, but it's starting to get burned into her mind why. I've been doing some work at my mother-in-laws house, which is about 10 minutes away in a "up scale" neighborhood. Not that mine is bad. I had taken my jacket off and set my carry piece under it in it's holster. I was in and out of the house and garage with my jacket on and left my piece on the chair. There's no kids in that house so I wasn't worried about it. She saw it sitting there and said "Is that your gun?" "yes" Why do you have it? I said cause there's lots of crazies out there." she gave me a sideways nod and that was it. The same day my wife stopped by on her way to work and I gave her one of the colapsable batons I have. I showed her how to use it, and she was on her way. Later that night she called me as she was leaving work. She's a nurse, and gets off at 11pm. She called me cause as she left the entrance a man that was standing there started to follow her towards the parking garage. She said it was strange cause he was just standing there and then started fallowing as soon as she was out of the sliding doors. She sad she had the baton up her sleeve in her hand as she was walking. The guy took the stairs, she took the elevator in the garage. she got to her car without seeing him again.
I'm pretty sure she gets why I carry all the time. Maybe he wasn't a threat, maybe has was. Could be that her on the phone was enough to deter him. Who knows. but what if he was going to try something? what if I hadn't given her the baton that day?

All ways be prepared!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AvidshooterTX]

That's why I like my titanium Taurus revolver (.38+P) and Galco pocket hoster - I'm never without - even at home. Then on occasion when I feel the need I also carry my 92FS. When a firearm is needed nothing else will do.