Rule one, carry whenever possible...


Ouch! Sheesh! Well, I guess I've been told. Plastic tags attached to the items? Really? Well, I never would thunk. Hmmm, so that's what those little things are for? Again, really?

As for an earlier conversation, well, I guess I'm just too new. So, excusez moi! I "SNAFU"ed. Mea culpa. Are you going to hold that against me, too? But I'm shaking my head and wondering why you feel the need to lecture? Do you lecture often?

As far as casinos...there is not one in my town that does not have posted, "No Firearms Allowed." If it's posted, you can't carry, openly or concealed, period. Is it not posted on the entrances to the casinos in your town? Do you have casinos in your town? I've not read what town you call home. Do all towns in NV have casinos. I'm new to this state too. Is that going to get me another talking to?
Knock off the lecture. Just a simple statement letting me know that I'm incorrect is all that's needed. Yes, this is a public forum. But, I'm not your whipping post.


My "town" doesn't have any casinos. My location is clearly posted as "Honolulu, HI". We are one of the few states that don't have some sort of legalized gambling. Not "all" towns in NV have casions, but many do have some type of gaming, mostly slot machines. I travel a lot to NV and have been in numerous casinos in Las Vegas as well as Reno. I don't go hunting for posted signs prohibiting firearms. With that said, I'm a fairly observant person, and have yet to see one during my visits to the casinos.

"Whipping post?" Lady, believe me, if I wanted to give you a "whipping", I would have done it via PM and used a lot harsher words. We discussed the "metal detector" issue on another thread. A couple of other forum members posted photos. If you learned the difference between a "metal detector" and "inventory control device", then my point has been made. I sincerely hope that you won't be making the same mistake in the future.

No lectures, just facts...and maybe a "strong opinion" every once in a while.... :wink:



gf
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
Ninety-nine percent of the time I'm armed. I will not carry onto the school grounds. I thought long and hard on that one and still think on it, but I don't carry there.
Good choice as you'll be charged with a misdemeanor under NRS 202.3673 (permittee carrying a concealed firearm in a prohibited area) and a gross misdemeanor under NRS 202.265 (possession of a firearm on the premises of a school) if you are made. Since your DA is in the spotlight because of his recent double DUI he may elect to make an example out of you to try to save his career.
I carry into the grocery store. There is no sign not to, even though there is a bank inside. Their metal detector doesn't detect my pistol. I carry into Wal*Mart.
Those are inventory control systems, not metal detectors. Some cell phones can set them off. I was carrying around some OTC medication I purchased from another store and kept on tripping the inventory control systems around town because I forgot to remove it from the inside of the box. The only States that explicitly prohibit bank or financial institution carry are MT and NC.
Casinos, banks, schools, the courthouse, and a few other places in town it's posted and restricted. There is no metal detector at the entrance to the courthouse, only into one of the courtrooms. I wonder, why is that? Too, there is a restriction sign on the front outside wall of the Sheriff's building.
Posting only has force of law outside of simple trespass in Nevada if it's a "public" building (i.e. owned by the government per NRS 202.3673. In other places if you're made all they can do is ask you to leave. If you refuse to do so then you can be charged with trespassing and possibly have your firearm(s) impounded by the responding LEOs.

Signage does have force of law at the Sheriff's office and courthouse as those are "public" buildings.
The church I attend will never know. My CPA, the restaurants, the auto shop, the auto dealer... and anywhere else I go they will never know. They have no need to know. I hope they never have a need to know!
I am curious to know is who you got your NV CFP instruction through. It's pretty obvious to me they did a lousy job of educating you of NV law.
 
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LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
As far as casinos...there is not one in my town that does not have posted, "No Firearms Allowed." If it's posted, you can't carry, openly or concealed, period.
Who told you that? They can't tell you you cannot concealed any more than they can tell you want color your underwear and socks have to be. It's only going to be an issue if you're made and trespassed from the property. A property owner can trespass you from their property for any reason. If you conceal effectively it will not be an issue.
Is it not posted on the entrances to the casinos in your town? Do you have casinos in your town?
Quite a few since I live in Henderson which is a southeastern suburb of Vegas and the second largest incorporated city in the State. The only casino that I know of that posts is the Stratosphere Tower. I have heard the Joker's Wild on Boulder Hwy posts. Terribles in Searchlight posts a "NO WEAPONS" sign at the casino entrance, but nothing at the convenience store or McD's entrance. I have yet to see a Laughlin Hotel/Casino post. The MGM, Station Casinos and Boyd Group Casinos do not post. I frequent Sam's Town on Wed and Sat evening for steak and prime rib nights. Sam's Town use to post but they stopped that practice.
Do all towns in NV have casinos.
Boulder City does not. Boulder City has an interesting history as during the Hoover Dam construction era it was federal property. When it was annexed back to the State their old city codes went with them. One was against legalized gambling when Nevada started regulating gaming in 1931 and Las Vegas started to take off. The others were against open carry and sale of alcohol. Boulder City is still a dry town. Boulder City residents who wish to buy alcohol go outside of the city limits to buy alcohol. Alcohol is not difficult to find in Nevada.
I'm new to this state too. Is that going to get me another talking to?

Knock off the lecture. Just a simple statement letting me know that I'm incorrect is all that's needed.
No, but if I was in charge of the Nye County CCW Detail or a member of the NV Sheriffs and Chiefs Association I certainly would want to know who taught your NV CFP class.
 
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sambo42xa

USA Carry Supporter
Wow, all these quotes, etc., my eyes are killing me! Are we going to be correcting spelin nekxt? :suicide2:
 

Shoots Running

New member
I would have hoped that there might have been a gentler and more polite way of correcting misperceptions. Fully understanding the dangers to us all of a poor CCW instructor (if that is indeed the case), I still think that aggressive rudeness masquerading as "straight talk" is misplaced.
 
I would have hoped that there might have been a gentler and more polite way of correcting misperceptions. Fully understanding the dangers to us all of a poor CCW instructor (if that is indeed the case), I still think that aggressive rudeness masquerading as "straight talk" is misplaced.

What would you recommend?



gf
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
Receiving accurate information...

One of the reasons I am very factual, do my due diligence and jump in when I see misinformation is because you cannot afford to make a mistake with respect to CCW. I also make it a point to provide the most accurate information to my students that I can. I don't want one of my students to be charged with a crime because they were not informed by me.

Here are some of the major pitfalls with CCW;
  • Don't carry when you should you may be a guest of the county coroner.
  • Carry in a prohibited area, get arrested or cited and you may have ruined your life forever.
  • Discharge or brandish your firearm when you shouldn't you may have ruined your life forever.
  • Don't discharge your firearm when you should and you may be a guest of the county coroner.
There is little room for error with respect CCW and self defense. You only get to do it right once. There is no restore from previous saved position and start from there, it's literally game over.

CCW is not like a parking or traffic violation where you can just pay a civil penalty or go to CCW school and the points on your criminal record will go away. Depending on the jurisdiction your error occurred you could be branded a felon and forever lose your RKBA.

We had two persons who posted here who were carrying in the unsecure area of Florida passenger air terminals. They called me on my interpretation of the statute. I told them to verify it with Gutmacher who is a Florida attorney specializing in firearm law. Gutmacher's interpretation of FL Statute 790.06 (12) is the same as mine. I know that's grounds for at least getting every CCW you have yanked for a weapon violation. Firearms are only allowed in a Florida air terminal if they are unloaded in baggage to be checked. In MO since it's a weapon violation that would forever bar you from getting a MO CCW endorsement. There are other States this would make a long term prohibiting condition as well.
 
Great postings "Netentity". It wouldn't hurt if members of the group would grow some thicker skin, and realize that we're here to help and see that we preserve what's left of our 2A rights. :wink:



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LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
I would have hoped that there might have been a gentler and more polite way of correcting misperceptions. Fully understanding the dangers to us all of a poor CCW instructor (if that is indeed the case), I still think that aggressive rudeness masquerading as "straight talk" is misplaced.
While I do believe that gf may have gone a little overboard, his tone is much kinder than what an arresting LEO, prosecutor, judge or coroner will have. I don't believe it was gdcleanfun's issue. I believe that she was misinformed by a poor NV CFP instructor. There are unfortunately quite a few of them out there. We have seen commentary on another poor NV CFP instructor on this site.

My objective being an instructor is to teach people to do it legally, responsibly and safely. I also encourage students to seek further instruction from advanced instructors such as Ayoob, Chuck Taylor or Gunsite. Hopefully they will never need it.

The CCW instructors that inform you of the good, bad and the ugly of CCW generally are the better ones. The ones that just rubber stamp your paperwork are typically the ones that shouldn't be teaching. If they don't tell you what you should know then there's a problem. The topic of self defense and legal ramifications if you make a mistake are not ones to be sugar coated.
 
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gdcleanfun

Banned
I would have hoped that there might have been a gentler and more polite way of correcting misperceptions. Fully understanding the dangers to us all of a poor CCW instructor (if that is indeed the case), I still think that aggressive rudeness masquerading as "straight talk" is misplaced.

I believe gf's intention was not to correct my misperceptions. I believe his/her intention was to be **** ***** angry. There are lots of angry people in this world. It's not my job to abate their anger. That's the job of an anger management class. I'm not "into" flame wars, and though I'm always willing to learn correctly what I've learned incorrectly, I'm never willing to be someone's whipping post. "T'ain't gonna happen, McGee!"
 
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MP3Mogul

New member
Hope you never get called for jury duty or summoned to court for anything. I'd hate to read about you in the news should you attempt to enter the court house with a concealed firearm or end up on national headlines for not showing up for jury duty because you "simply don't go".



gf

So far, so good, never been called. :biggrin:
 
I believe gf's intention was not to correct my misperceptions. I believe his/her intention was to be **** ***** angry. There are lots of angry people in this world. It's not my job to abate their anger. That's the job of an anger management class. I'm not "into" flame wars, and though I'm always willing to learn correctly what I've learned incorrectly, I'm never willing to be someone's whipping post. "T'ain't gonna happen, McGee!"

Read my earlier posts lady. I'm not an angry person, not into any "flame wars" or want to use you as a "whipping post". Every month I volunteer my time and have instructed over 300 students in the past year as a VOLUNTEER. I receive no monetary compensation. I do enjoy knowing that I was able to help a man/woman learn CORRECTLY how to handle firearms and ammuniton. I've had times where I had to teach folks how to correct bad habbits. Believe it or not, I have come into contact on a few occasions, a student like yourself that goes into "victim mode" when they don't like to hear what I or another instructor says.

I'll probably be reading about "Debi" from Nevada in the news some day when you're arrested for a CC violation, or worse yet, get charged/convicted of shooting someone. Due to your actions, the whole pro 2A community will suffer.

Drop the "drama queen" act and be a little more receptive to the folks in the group if you're truly "willing to learn correctly".



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Shoots Running

New member
Hmmm. Does "learn correctly" mean BE OBEDIENT AND SUBSERVIENT TO ME?

Sounds like an angry man with a gun to me.

And please don't bother to trouble your busy, important self with a resumé of your wonderful "volunteer" sacrifices. Why not try being polite and supportive of someone who wants to learn and join our community, rather than the macho big bad wolf?

We need EVERYBODY in our community. Why do your best to drive them away?
 

lukem

Administrator
Staff member
Enough

Ok, I just had to spend the last 20 minutes after I just got home from a long day at work reading through this thread and emails I received about it. Not really what I was planning on doing as soon as I got home.

From what I can see Glock Fan WAS NOT trying to be mean to you on purpose, he was simply trying to correct your misconceptions although as said above he may have been a little harsh about it. But after that gdcleanfun, you seem to have gotten really bend out of shape about it and made some posts that were out of line as well.

I'll ask if you are going to correct peoples mistakes, try not to be too harsh about it. I remember when I first got my CCW and I knew completely nothing.

I'll also ask if someone is correcting you please understand this website and everyone on it is here to provide the best information out there. Do not take things personally or the wrong way.

I can add more but I am going to leave it at this. Both of you please give each other a break. I don't want to have to lock this thread or anything else. There is something called an Link Removed, I suggest using it.
 

The Gunny

New member
Here in WA state if the area is open to the public but firearms are prohibited like a courthouse they must provide a locked storage area and allow you to store your firearm while you take care of your business, no need to go unarmed. Also if you are picking up or dropping off you kids at school carry is legal. I am always armed only question is S&W 642 or Kimber 1911?
 

gdcleanfun

Banned
(gets violin out and starts to play..........)
:sarcastic:

Ahhh, Sambo, I'm cracking up! You gave me my first belly laugh for the day and I thank you. :dance3:

I do not live in Clark County, nor do I live close to Las Vegas, nor do I care to frequent the casinos there when I have to go there. I do understand that there is a local ordinance in place in my county that prohibits CCWs in the casinos. I'm trying to find the ordinance in print.

I do know that there are local ordinances in place in Boulder City and North Las Vegas (they were grandfathered in) that prohibit CCWs, even if legally obtained elsewhere in Nevada/other state. But I'm hoping that it will only be a matter of time before they are challenged and then rescinded or greatly modified.

Are there any other cities, towns, areas, etc., in Nevada that prohibit CCWs? I don't know. I need to learn this.
 

sambo42xa

USA Carry Supporter
My intent was to try and be funny and in no way offend Anyone when I add a zing here and there. Pretty much giving a hint for Everyone to "get over it" and move on..........on ALL postings/threads.
My Firearm is on my person pretty much all the time unless it is stated "No Weapons Allowed" and I then lock it in a gun safe in the vehicle OR I just do not go to that establishment. I can go on and on to be more precise on when and where I carry but right now I think I kind of forgot what the hell the topic was on???? I do not know everything and that's why I........We come here to learn whether it's asking questions or just reading everything. I like to just read and maybe once and awhile I'll give a reply to something. That's why my signature says "opinions/suggestions" because that's just what it is if I do not know the answer/s. Oh, and I like to bust balls! :lol: Everyone, have a great weekend!
 

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