RFID chips in firearms? Are you kidding me?

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ATI working on new secure, private RFID tagging system:


American Tactical Imports is planning to announce a new type of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) tagging system at the upcoming SHOT Show that promises to protect individual privacy while still providing the lower overhead of remote inventorying for manufacturing and distributing firearms and possibly accessories.

They’re partnering up with AdvanTech RFID, a company that specializes in tracking and inventory systems and already works with a few Department of Defense contractors to supply them with tags for supplies including apparel and equipment.

“The software tracks all ATF-monitored items from the manufacturer to the end user, records the chain of custody automatically and adds layers of security. The desire to reduce or eliminate ATF and State Department violations, improve department personnel job satisfaction and security, reduce labor cost and administrative activities, and provide an impressive [Return On Investment] along with instant 24/7/365 inventory is balanced with the world-class protection built into the program. Most importantly, the end-users will still have their privacy maintained while only the records required by law are safely and securely tracked during the buying and selling processes.”

RFID tags have made inventorying and tracking supplies very easy, by having a passive, short-range tag that uses specific-frequency radio waves to power a weak signal that carries a small amount of information. With the right scanner, it’s possible to inventory an entire pallet of merchandise without having to open or inspect any of it on an individual basis.

This technology isn’t just used to keep shoplifting down at retail stores, it’s growing in popularity with distributors and the Department of Defense and its contractors alike. The ability to scan inventory without handling it makes it a lot more secure and cuts more than a few costs.

While ATI doesn’t do a lot of DoD business (at least, not that we know of) having an interest in the technology gives them a leg up on RFID systems as well as giving AdvanTech a head start on gun inventorying.

In order for an RFID system to be secure in the real-world, the information hosted by the tag must not include any information that directly pertains to the gun it’s tagging, such as the model and serial number. In addition, in order to make people comfortable with the tags, they should be easily removable, and easily destroyed.

ATI Fatboy LightweightChiappa was one of the first firearm manufacturers to announce the inclusion of RFID tags with their guns, but their delivery was not the best by any standards. In addition to not detailing what information was hosted by the RFID tags, their tagging system included certain types of tags that could not be removed without disabling the gun, giving people little reason to trust the company with their privacy.

Their forays into the world of RFID tags have left a bad taste in the mouths of gun owners. It’s fairly easy to argue that Chiappa was operating from a position of control and possibly even government intervention.

RFID tags now smack of Big Brother and it will take some effort on the part of ATI to allay any fears that they are following in Chiappa’s footsteps. If they do it right, however, they’ll focus on the cost-cutting and ease-of-distribution benefits of RFID-based inventorying, which will be welcome right now at this time of high prices and low inventories.

ATI is already known for their low-priced and high-value guns and accessories, particularly their FX series of 1911s made for them by Shooter Arms Manufacturing. They also have developed some interesting and non-standard guns for the U.S. concealed carry market. SAM keeps their prices low by hiring underground gunsmiths, providing upright and legal employment to people who would otherwise turn to the black market (Also, they come pre-trained.)



New ATI RFID system for tracking guns
 
That ought to pi22 Holder and the Justice Dept off if they can't give their drug buds down Mexico way a few thousand extra automatics.
 
There is a group of gun owners who like to tell law enforcement officers about their permits and their guns out of "respect" and "courtesy". I would think they would really go for the idea of RFID tags in their guns.
 
Not only are RFID in guns but check out your credit cards, some new ones have a chip them also. if they have one they can be scanned even while there in your wallet and reporgramed on a blank credit card and used just like the orgional one. The ones that have it have a symbol on them that looks like a dot with three curved lines spreading out from the dot to symbolize that the RFID chip is in your card. Beware.
 
Not only are RFID in guns but check out your credit cards, some new ones have a chip them also. if they have one they can be scanned even while there in your wallet and reporgramed on a blank credit card and used just like the orgional one. The ones that have it have a symbol on them that looks like a dot with three curved lines spreading out from the dot to symbolize that the RFID chip is in your card. Beware.

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RFID protective wallets/sleeves. Are we going to get RFID protective holsters next?
 
Andrew has it right. You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I know about this technology. It's only used for inventory tracking & control by the manufacturer during production and distribution, period. It just helps the business reduce costs and speed up the process. It does not mean they will track you after you buy the gun.
 
Range is very short. like arms length. The ONLY difference, which i suppose could become significant, is RFID can be read when the device is out of sight, like under clothing. It could make it easy to "scan" people for guns and not simply metal.
 
The chip can only be scanned at a distance of about 12 inches away. It is not used to track you at any distance. That is not its purpose
 
Judge Dredd anyone?

As far as the rfid chips in your cards, you can use a hammer and a phillips screw driver and one or two good whacks and its done.

I know folks that have used rfid readers and stolen others information and sold it on the net. Not friends obviously but ummmm clients i guess you can say.
 
The chip can only be scanned at a distance of about 12 inches away. It is not used to track you at any distance. That is not its purpose

Distance with RFID chips is not controlled by the chip. It is dependent on the power of the reader and frequency. Just because it is read at 12 inches in one application doesn't mean it is always that way or will always stay that way. Some passive chips can be read at up to 1-2 meters already. That SunPass/EZPASS unit on your windshield is read at 15-20 ft distance. And I'm not talking about the active ones with a battery but the little flat stick on ones. If you have a new US Passport, it can be read at up to 30 ft. Bar Codes and Serial Numbers need to actually be visible.
 
If you have a new US Passport, it can be read at up to 30 ft. Bar Codes and Serial Numbers need to actually be visible.

I remember reading an article a couple of years ago where a guy was able to drive around with a $250.00 reader that could pull the unique identifiers of passports. I believe he said with modifications he could be able to read them up to a mile or so away. The same can be done to clone credit cards.

RFID is a security nightmare once it's used to store your info, which I don't see as a stretch of the imagination as a possible use for firearms with them in the future.
 
I remember reading an article a couple of years ago where a guy was able to drive around with a $250.00 reader that could pull the unique identifiers of passports. I believe he said with modifications he could be able to read them up to a mile or so away. The same can be done to clone credit cards.

RFID is a security nightmare once it's used to store your info, which I don't see as a stretch of the imagination as a possible use for firearms with them in the future.
And many fail to acknowledge how fast tech can change. As an example, I first flew in piston powered commercial aircraft and the jumbo of the day was the Super Stratocrusier. Within a few years, we had flown on the de Havilland Comet, Boeing 707 and Douglas DC-8. And yet in that time, had also flown on DC-3s. Now days, many have never seen those aircraft little alone flown in them. Same applies to computers. 40 years ago they took up whole rooms. Now you can carry a tablet with more power and memory than those computers had.
 
Andrew has it right. You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I know about this technology. It's only used for inventory tracking & control by the manufacturer during production and distribution, period. It just helps the business reduce costs and speed up the process. It does not mean they will track you after you buy the gun.

True they are talking about the boxes they are shipped in but I don't trust any company not to put them in their product
 
Andrew has it right. You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I know about this technology. It's only used for inventory tracking & control by the manufacturer during production and distribution, period. It just helps the business reduce costs and speed up the process. It does not mean they will track you after you buy the gun.

For someone who says they Know the technology... You also know the Government has scanners on some of the interstate systems......
I can put a detector into a car and read any RFID that passes me...I've seen it done..Even with passive RFID tags.

They are two type tags active (Battery powered) and passive or dumb tags (does not require power and can be read at less distance)


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RFID chip next to a grain of rice. This chip contains a radio-frequency electromagnetic field coil that modulates an external magnetic
field to transfer a coded identification number when queried by a reader device. This small type is incorporated in consumer
products, and implanted in pets, for identification purposes.
 
Except there is no bar code in/on the gun and RFID chips can be tracked anywhere in the world

My S&W SD9VE has a barcode on it. It looks like a thin plastic piece that also has the gun's serial #. Next time you are in your LGS, take a look. I do not know if the S&W MP has it, but they might.
EDIT: After I posted this I took a look-see at my S&W. The bar code/serial number plate actually looks like it is embedded in the gun. Underneath the picatinny rail right in front of the trigger guard. The plate feels like some sort of metal.
 
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