Reply from Vermont Attorney General

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Gordon Shumway

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NON resident carry in Vermont= OK
I have just received a formal reply from the Attorney General of Vermont regarding ALL VISITORS to the State of Vermont.

Emails below/ copy and paste: (note their humor)
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SENT:
From:
To: [email protected]
Subject: Visitors' Handgun Carry Requirements?
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 13:31:34 -0500


Attorney General of Vermont
[email protected]

Sirs:

I am trying to determine the requirement for non-resident visitors to Vermont for concealed carry.
Vermont law uses the undefined word "person", without specifying residency.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arkansas.pdf
Arkansas State Police | Regulatory Services

Arkansas State Police | Regulatory Services
These two sites disagree as to the status of Vermont.
One map says that Vermont does accept AR CCW.
ASP says that Vermont does NOT honor the AR CCW.

Vermont law uses the undefined term "person" in their statutes.
The Office of the Attorney General of Vermont | Gun Laws
Vermont
V.S.A. §4003 Carrying dangerous weapons
A person who carries a dangerous or deadly weapon, openly or concealed, with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man, or who carries a dangerous or deadly weapon within any state institution or upon the grounds or lands owned or leased for the use of such institution, without the approval of the warden or superintendent of the institution, shall be imprisoned not more than two years or fined not more than $200.00, or both.

Thank you for any assistance you can give.

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REPLY:
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:58:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Non Resident Visitors' Handgun Carry Requirements?
From: [email protected]
To:

It is legal for you to carry openly or concealed in Vermont. Loaded or unloaded.(The gun, not you.) G.O.Vt.

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Reply received Tues am:

Additional edit= 2nd reply from Vermont ATT GEN / direct copy and paste

Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:04:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Non Resident Visitors' Handgun Carry Requirements?
From: [email protected]
To:

I should clarify that I was talking about hand guns. Long guns can not be kept loaded in your car, only hand guns
may be stored loaded in a vehicle. If you would like all the gun laws of Vermont ,please check out our website. We have Cindy Hill's book for sale with everything regarding Vermont gun laws in it.www.gunownersofvermont.org. You may carry on your person if you are a non-resident for self protection. This excludes schools,court houses,banks,and any federally owned property.You can not carry any deadly weapon with the intent to harm someone which is what law you quoted.Hope this helps.Ilse
 
VT doesn't recognize any state's permits....but that is because no one needs a permit to carry in VT.

Out of VT, AK, AZ and WY...WY is the only one that limits Concealed Carry without a permit to residents of the state.
 
Additional edit= 2nd reply from Vermont ATT GEN / direct copy and paste

Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:04:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Non Resident Visitors' Handgun Carry Requirements?
From: [email protected]
To:

I should clarify that I was talking about hand guns. Long guns can not be kept loaded in your car, only hand guns
may be stored loaded in a vehicle. If you would like all the gun laws of Vermont ,please check out our website. We have Cindy Hill's book for sale with everything regarding Vermont gun laws in it.Gun Owners of Vermont. You may carry on your person if you are a non-resident for self protection. This excludes schools,court houses,banks,and any federally owned property.You can not carry any deadly weapon with the intent to harm someone which is what law you quoted.Hope this helps.Ilse

note, original email sent to Ver ATT GEN from official Vermont State website.
 
Fallguy said:
VT doesn't recognize any state's permits....but that is because no one needs a permit to carry in VT.

Out of VT, AK, AZ and WY...WY is the only one that limits Concealed Carry without a permit to residents of the state.
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Soon to be NH when the bill passes this year.
 
NavyLT said:
Does the NH bill require a person to be a resident of NH in order to conceal without a permit? That's the specific flaw we mentioned in Wyoming's "constitutional carry" law.
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From my reading it allows anyone 18 years of age or older to carry...not just NH residents.

Bill can be seen here hb 0330
 
Ilse Vergi is the Secretary of the Gun Owners of Vermont ("G.O. Vt.")

She may be employed by the Attorney General of the State of Vermont, but it is highly unusual for a state official to reply to a question without stating their position in the particular government office and to answer with a personal email specifying their association with a private organization.
 
NavyLT said:
Does the NH bill require a person to be a resident of NH in order to conceal without a permit? That's the specific flaw we mentioned in Wyoming's "constitutional carry" law.
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Nope. It's a Constitutional carry bill. Just like Vermont. Anyone entering the state would be allowed to carry a firearm on them concealed. But just like Vermont it would leave in place the fish and game laws preventing the carrying of loaded long guns in cars.
 
Fallguy said:
From my reading it allows anyone 18 years of age or older to carry...not just NH residents.

Bill can be seen here hb 0330
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I see they knock the non-res fee down from $100 to $50.

I'm not sure....maybe i'm just reading it wrong...but"

159:6-d Full Faith and Credit for Licenses From Other States; Reciprocity. No nonresident or peace officer shall be required to obtain a license to carry a loaded pistol or revolver within this state if:

I. Such nonresident carries upon his person the license held from the state in which he resides; or

II. Such nonresident is in compliance with RSA 159:4; or

III. The state in which such person is a resident provides a reciprocal privilege for residents of this state.
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References RSA 159:4 which states:

159:4 Carrying Without License. – No person shall carry a loaded pistol or revolver in any vehicle or concealed upon his person, except in his dwelling, house or place of business, without a valid license therefor as hereinafter provided. A loaded pistol or revolver shall include any pistol or revolver with a magazine, cylinder, chamber or clip in which there are loaded cartridges. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall, for the first such offense, be guilty of a misdemeanor. For the second and for each subsequent violation of the provisions of this section, such person shall be guilty of a class B felony, provided such second or subsequent violation has occurred within 7 years of the previous conviction.
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Which to me sounds like said Non-res can carry without a permit at a home or place of business.

Somebody correct me.
 
The bill changes RSA 159:4 to say...

Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, no person who is 18 years of age or older shall be guilty of an offense for carrying a firearm, openly or concealed, loaded or unloaded, upon or about his or her person, or upon or in a vehicle, whether or not such person possesses a license, permit, or other authorization to carry a firearm.
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