Remington 700

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I just watched the NBC National News tonight and was surprised to see that one of the lead stories was about a supposed cover up by Remington regarding the 700 model. There are countless thousands of this bolt action out there. Accidental discharge is the claim. The news tonight even showed a 700 firing by releasing the safety!
They said that one man in particular has been working on a accidental death case involving this issue for over 10 years!
This rifle is a Remington flagship. Same as the Model 70 Winchester. Am I nuts or has the 700 been in the limelight before? I do not remember hearing about this problem.
 
I saw it to but didn't watch the hour-long CNBC special since I figured it was going to be all about how guns are evil overall.

If (big d@mn if) the rifle is defective Remington owes everyone an explanation and need to fix it. What got me was that they said there were memos about this issue going back to 1948!

That said, there is no excuse for someone accidently being killed by this weapon regardless of a design fault. If you follow Gun Safety Rule #1 you NEVER point a weapon at something you do not want to shoot. I have nothing but sympathy for the family who allegedly lost their child to an accident with this weapon but you MUST follow Gun Safety Rule #1. I was also taught to never trust a mechanical safety.

None of this excuses the rifle firing when the safety is released or any other time except when the trigger is pulled. That ain't supposed to happen.

Isn't the 700 basically an updated 1898 Mauser design?
 
I haven't heard anything about the Model 700, but I did get a recall notice about the - now discontinued - Model 710 doing that sort of thing. I had a Model 710 in .30-06, but never noticed that happening.:biggrin:
 
Hello,

My name is Colleen and I do digital work for Remington. Take a look at this Remington video as a response to the CNBC biased program.

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Best,
Colleen
 
mnpatterson said:
Hello,

My name is Colleen and I do digital work for Remington. Take a look at this Remington video as a response to the CNBC biased program.

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Best,
Colleen
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Colleen,

IMHO the video above simply "shoots the messenger", who we realize is just a reporter.

My question to Remington is..."What about the seemingly endless list of incidents with the 700." Are each of these just some kind of plot? I doubt it seriously.

I watched the entire hour-long show last night and was astounded by Remington's denial of what appear to be legitimate issues, law suits, and charges against Remington.

As a long-time NRA member and obviously a supporter of gun ownership and the 2nd amendment, I still contend that Remington needs to face these charges...not with denials or attempts to discredit the messenger, but with an honest approach to answering some pretty tough questions.
 
Lowjiber said:
Colleen,

IMHO the video above simply "shoots the messenger", who we realize is just a reporter.
the reporter just happened to fine all these guns fireing by their self on tape?


My question to Remington is..."What about the seemingly endless list of incidents with the 700." Are each of these just some kind of plot? I doubt it seriously.

No one want's to admit they they may have had a dirty gun or their finger on the trigger

I watched the entire hour-long show last night and was astounded by Remington's denial of what appear to be legitimate issues, law suits, and charges against Remington.

When they checked hundreds of guns they could not get them to fire without pulling the trigger. good lawyers and stupid jurers reward big money. (woman wins lawsuit because the coffee was to hot?)

As a long-time NRA member and obviously a supporter of gun ownership and the 2nd amendment, I still contend that Remington needs to face these charges...not with denials or attempts to discredit the messenger, but with an honest approach to answering some pretty tough questions.
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you want them to face charges because someone shot their kid and blamed the gun? Tell me why anyone would point their gun in the direction of their kid or anyone else to begin with.

 
I saw the program also... I shot a 700 .270 for years.Killed alot of PA deer with that gun, NEVER had a problem. Wish I'd never sold it !
 
NEVER BEEN REPRODUCED: Remington's response to hit piece...

"Both Remington and experts hired by plaintiff attorneys have conducted testing on guns returned from the field which were alleged to have fired without a trigger pull, and neither has ever been able to duplicate such an event on guns which had been properly maintained and which had not been altered after sale."

I own a beautiful 30-06 700 BDL and bought my nephew a .270 synthetic for his 16th birthday. Best out of the box bolt action available for a reasonable price.

Source Here:
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One of the tenets of service engineers when it comes to fixing a problem is "reproducibility". To fix a problem, it has to occur AGAIN to be fixed. Since the media and those involved in the lawsuit have NEVER been able to re-create the problem, it stands that there is no problem.

This story has been around for some time now...too long, imho.
 
Lowjiber said:
Colleen,

IMHO the video above simply "shoots the messenger", who we realize is just a reporter.

My question to Remington is..."What about the seemingly endless list of incidents with the 700." Are each of these just some kind of plot? I doubt it seriously.

I watched the entire hour-long show last night and was astounded by Remington's denial of what appear to be legitimate issues, law suits, and charges against Remington.

As a long-time NRA member and obviously a supporter of gun ownership and the 2nd amendment, I still contend that Remington needs to face these charges...not with denials or attempts to discredit the messenger, but with an honest approach to answering some pretty tough questions.
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I finally watched that show last night. They bring up some compelling points. That said there are always two sides to the story. The reporter has a vested interest in making Remington look bad (awards, ratings, etc). Remington has a vested interest in protecting their reputation.

The part that shocked me though was the expert for one of the suing families stating that "what is a safe direction when you don't know when the weapon is going to fire?" How about at the ground? In the air? At a tree? Downrange? Any direction OTHER than at your child (using the quoted case as an example)? This is doubly true if you are unloading the weapon, since this means the weapon is loaded! If someone is accidently killed because a gun "went off" the holder of that gun is responsible for the damage (or death) it causes. It doesn't mean the design did not but it means the person holding the gun did fail.

Has the military ever reported any incidents with this weapon? Police forces who use it with their SWAT teams? Professional guides? They showed someone in camoflauge with his face blocked out having this happen but it appeared to be a hidden video camera so it is hard to tell what happened.

Will the weapon fire if the bolt is closed with a finger on the trigger?

I will caution everyone to be careful what you believe, especially if you get info from CNBC. Ask General Motors about how trustworthy NBC is.
 
I have had a modle 700 chambered in .270 since i was 14 years old. It has been my trusted deer rifle and i have shot hundreds of rounds through it. Never once has it discharged accidently.
 
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