Questions about the Bible

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This is about as far "off subject" in some ways and some not. Iceman stated this "..took me four years to read the bible. i reckon I understand a good deal of it. It wasn't what I expected in a lot of places".....................
Jesus was speaking to His disciples about Luke 23 and told them to buy a sword to carry if they did not have one. One of them said "here, I have two" and Jesus replied "it is enough". He does not intend for us to be unarmed and at the mercy of thugs/etc.
Now, Iceman--what did you, or anyone not understand about the Bible?? I am not a Biblical scholar but am sure there are some who can adequately answer any questions/doubts/concerns we may have. Be specific and let's do them one by one.
 
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Please, none like- how many angels can fit on the head of a pin or where did Cain get his wife--lol.
 
-06 IMO, the bible is mostly a work of fiction. Not all but most. God didn't write the bible, men did.
Remember, that is my opinion. Many will disagree and that is fine. -06, I don't know if you and forgive me, if I have misjudged you. Please don't call me names, or tell me bad things will happen. Like others in here. That is really childish. Some will resort to slinging bible quotes just in an attempt to impress me, or others. Perhaps to impress their self. Some use bible quotes to justify there behavior, right or wrong. Some use quotes to spew hatred, and prejudice. I would if this is really what Jesus said a very long time ago?


The bible can be a complicated reference source. I have quoted it once in here, and felt very uncomfortable. Some have put countless time in trying to grasp its concepts. Why they can even put verses together to make others send money. I prefer other sources of reference, and instruction.



IMO, the bible is control, and guidance for weak minded people. It is a comfort for many in times of hardship, and happiness. This is all fine with me. Do what makes you feel good.
If it works for you, and those you know, I am all for it.
It is just not my cup of tea.


If you recall I pasted a picture, next to a quote about "taking four years to read the bible"
The picture was of Karl Childers. The quote also belonged to Karl. A triple homicidal mentally handicapped man.



IMO, this website is about firearms carry, and anything concerning firearms.



I really don't understand why some in here think it is a way to express religious views. There are several sites dedicated for that very purpose.
Sorry, you couldn't help. But, thank you for your kind offer.



You want to talk about firearms related topics, I would entertain that. The bible, thanks, but no thanks.
If I ever do decide to be born again, I will seek your console.
Have a great day.

Jesus saves, Moses invests.

I wish someone would make me some biscuits.
 
theicemanmpls said:
1) IMO, the bible is mostly a work of fiction. Not all but most. God didn't write the bible, men did.
Remember, that is my opinion.

2)Some use bible quotes to justify there behavior, right or wrong. Some use quotes to spew hatred, and prejudice. I would if this is really what Jesus said a very long time ago?


3)IMO, the bible is control, and guidance for weak minded people. It is a comfort for many in times of hardship, and happiness. This is all fine with me. Do what makes you feel good.
If it works for you, and those you know, I am all for it.
It is just not my cup of tea.
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Thanx for taking the time to express your view on things..

I'd like to respond... I've numbered your items above... You might be surprised by my views, at least some of them.. (I am NOT trying to convince you.. I just think a response needs to be provided to your views; otherwise, you would just feel IGNORED... :laugh:

1) A lot of people view the bible the way you do... I did too for a while...
What I found out is several different points about the Bible..
1) The Manuscript evidence.. There have been many sections of the early text found (The Dead Sea Scrolls for an example) and in almost all cases, what is found it the "Translation" Bibles (As opposed to Paraphrase Bibles) we have today are very accurate to the texts found from as early as the 3rd Century (Much older for the old testament). So what you get from an NIV or King James is very accurate considering the length of time since each section was written.
2) Archeological records. - Time and time again the Bible has been found to be very accurate in it's "stories" about ancient times. Scientist have historically often said.. There is NO evidence that this group of people ever existed that the Bible mentions.. Then some years later, they will find a Mesopotamian tablet that mentions the people..
3) Prophetic - A little over 80% of the Bibles Prophecies have been fulfilled (some have yet to be fulfilled). Most of these Prophecies were written more than 100 years earlies one fulfilled prophecy in the Koran, and it came true in less than 50 years.) So - Take a shot at it.. Give r, and the fulfillment is very accurate in many details. (not to offend, but to provide a comparison, there ime 5 details about a single event in the future, oh yeah, and make it more than 100 years from now..
4) Statistics - it is Statistically preposterous that any or all of the Bible’s very specific, detailed prophecies could have been fulfilled through chance, good guessing, or deliberate deceit. When you look at some of the improbable prophecies of the Old and New Testaments, it seems incredible that skeptics — knowing the
authenticity and historicity of the texts — could reject the statistical verdict.

The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years by forty different human authors in three different languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek), on hundreds of subjects. And yet there is one consistent, non-contradictory theme that runs through it all: God’s redemption of humankind. Clearly, Statistical probability is a powerful indicator of the trustworthiness of Scripture.

2) - I'm fully with you on the 1st part of your statement.. I do NOT understand why people that believe suddenly feel it is their job to judge others, place themselves above others, slander others, etc. etc.. There is absolutely NOTHING they did (other than accept the gift of grace) that makes them one bit better of a person.. Whether you believe or not, you sin against God.. It is in our nature and can not be avoided. It is ONLY what God did that allows them to escape the consequences of their thoughts/actions.. Most Christians really PISS ME OFF!!! They are either Bashing someone, or so apathetic that it's sickening...
If you care to look, my favorite scripture deals with this topic.. James 4:11-12

3) This is a very common view and I will address your statement "guidance for weak minded people"
Yeah, People just like..
Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler, Max Born, Enrico Fermi, Karl Friedrich Gauss, Carl Linnaeus, Alexander Fleming, J.R.R. Tolkien, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington Carver
Just a bunch of Brainless nitwits who needed guidance to fight their way out of a wet paper bag..

Sorry, I can't go along with you on this point.. However, I'd like to counter the point, IF I may.., It is very hard to create a "system" that The Smartest of the Smart can never fully comprehend and grasp all aspects of the topic, and yet the very simple minded can grasp the concept..

I, for one, am very glad that you don't have to be an Isaac Newton to figure out the message of salvation, and God's unconditional love for his creation, I would have never gotten there, I assure you!!! :fie:

I respect your views, I really do.. I would fight for the right for you to have YOUR views..
That's the great thing.. We all have choices..
But as in all things.. Choices have consequences, some good, some bad..

Thanks for taking the time to respond Iceman..
"Doesn't matter where I was to be. We'll always be friends. You and me made friends right off the bat. Don't nobody ever change that. I kindly want to put my arm around you, then I'm gonna get up out of here and leave. " :sarcastic:
 
Dear Iceman, "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." There are reports of several people that began reading the Bible to prove it wrong only to be converted by this book.

That is how I became a Christian myself when I was confronted with its truth. Many topics to focus on in the Bible.

Question, have you read the Bible? BTW, just because a crazy homicidal maniac likes to read the Bible, is that proof it is wrong?

If there are any specific issues of where people feel that the Bible is wrong, that might be a place to take this discussion.

Cheers,
 
I will be the last to try to shove Christianity down anyone's throat by making them feel guilty or shamed. Jesus did not minister that way and no one else should. I love to put a round exactly where I want it to go and have done so to some extent. To place a bullet where you want it one has to consider many factors. Of course trajectory, cross winds, speed of target(if moving), trigger pull, breathing, etc. Life is the same way. One needs to determine his "target" or how far it is to his destination. Then a smart person will start laying the ground work to achieve it. Does his education adequately prepare him, on the job training, background enough to deal with the stress?? As he rises to the crest of his "trajectory" and starts down has he prepared for the impact at the end of travel. As the "bullet" slows will it have enough retained force to "take care of business"??
Now I have strayed way off the Bible subject but life is the same as shooting. Without proper care in life one will never arrive at where God wants them to be. Some scoff at the Bible, ridicule it, and even burn it. There are things happening in Jerusalem today that are prophetically astounding. Going back to Jesus's last few minutes as a live person he only "batted 50%" of the people closest to Him physically. One thief wanted to go into His awaiting kingdom and the other scoffed. Disbelief is nothing new or fancy. Agnostics have been around since before Jesus was born--and atheists also--nothing unusual.
If there is some particular spot that you do not believe then let's address it. Spit it out and let's dig around some. I need the practice to keep my mind out of the gutter. There is soooo much that I do not know/understand about the Bible so who knows--we may learn something together. You "game"??????????
 
A Challenge for theicemanmpls

read the bible and prove any part of it wrong, and since the bible is "mostly a work of fiction" then that should be no problem for someone as informed as you are.........
 
I'm a believer in "seed planting," and "Preaching what you practice," as far as talking to people about ideas and questions about Christianity, but this subject is as divided as abortion and second amendment rights. Don't forget the big three issues that can make or break a marriage: money, sex, and religion!
I guess in closing I will say it is impotant to know why you believe, or why you don't believe, though people can divide over that too, I guess!
 
father-of-three said:
I'm a believer in "seed planting," and "Preaching what you practice," as far as talking to people about ideas and questions about Christianity, but this subject is as divided as abortion and second amendment rights. Don't forget the big three issues that can make or break a marriage: money, sex, and religion!
I guess in closing I will say it is impotant to know why you believe, or why you don't believe, though people can divide over that too, I guess!
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Dear Farther of three, we are divided by the natural and the spiritual already. However, did you ever wonder why Jesus spent so much time debating the Pharisees in public? I believe it is because there are so many people sitting on the sidelines undecided on a lot of these issues and hearing publicly the truth of the gospel has power. The forums here at USA Carry are public and those that wish to discuss these issues are actually relatively few, pro or con, yet if you look at any thread, many more come and just view the discussion without joining in or taking sides publicly. I believe that the internet is a forum that can be used to spread the gospel effectively even when debating those that disagree with us. If the Lord Jesus debated publicly, that is a good example for us to follow and be ready to give an answer to any one that asks us of our faith that resides within us. As you pointed out, it must be done with a meek heart understanding that each of us had our own journey in sin as well before someone prayed for us or witnessed to us. I see no reason not to engage.
 
TV men of God

To my well meaning internet christian friends,

The last few days, I have spent a few hours watching the TV preachers. They are using the same bible, and talking about the same God, and Jesus you nice people are.

These TV men of God are telling me, what they say is true. They can justify it with "his word". You are telling me what you say is true. Because it is "his word".

The TV men are using the same bible quotes that can be used to justify anything they want it to. Just like you kind, well christian folks.

Both the TV men, and you are trying to sell me on the idea that the bible is like a tool and spare parts box all in one. What ever you need, it is in there. Instructions are included.

The TV men of God use accessories like Miracle spring water from Russia, red blood of Jesus prayer-kchiefs, green prayer cloths. Miracle get out of debt tools. Special manna. The list is quite large.

These TV men tell me, if I believe in God, and Jesus, do what they say, all my bills will be paid. I will even get checks in the mail.

The TV men of God cure cancer, bladder infections, old broken down bodies right there on TV. I seen them put their hands on folks, and they heal the sick.

Many of them even talk in "tongues" Just like in that bible.

The Prosperity Gospel will give me financial success for life.

Many of the TV men are selling God supplies. Benny has a good sized line of God accessories.

Another has several people who are selling the "power of prophecy.

Many of these TV men of God, have titles, like apostle, Bishop, master prophet. Titles right out of the bible.

I have read that many people accuse these TV men of God of being cheats, and crooks.

Who is to say who is wrong, and who is right. The TV men are using the same book you are. They sling the same quotes at their audience as you do.

The TV men have a fancy TV studio, and a large staff. They make millions a year, and travel the country in private jets.

You well meaning folk are just another group of rubes on a internet chat board.

Remember, same book, same God, same Jesus are used by both groups.

I have a hard time beleving any of this. It all seems so made up, and phony.

Tell me who I should belive, and who not.

Explain this to me like I am six years old?
 
theicemanmpls said:
To my well meaning internet christian friends,

The last few days, I have spent a few hours watching the TV preachers. They are using the same bible, and talking about the same God, and Jesus you nice people are.
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I'm with you IceMan, and watching most TV people is a BAD place to start.. Most of them do NOT teach the truth, and as you say, twist it anyway they wish, for their own gain..
There are a few good ones, but they are WAY out numbered by the bad examples..

There are bad cops out there, but that doesn't make ALL cops bad, or the idea of "law and order" bad or wrong... Nor does it make "the Laws" they are enforcing any less just... (this is not a pure analogy as there are bad laws)

Like I alluded to in my original post, Most Christians Piss me off!!! ESPECIALLY the TV one's!!!
However, that does not make the source any more untrue, just people twisting things to their own use..

Link Removed is a good teacher as well as Link Removed , there are some others, but these are a good place to start.
 
theicemanmpls said:
The bible is giving an incorrect vale of PI. All of us edumacated people know that math never lies.
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Wrong again, when you factor in the breadth or width of the dimension which is given, you do get PI. Wrong again folks. GO look. The passage does indeed gives the width of the vessel in vs 26. You forgot to factor that into the equation.

"The Bible Says pi = 3"

If that is going to keep you from Heaven, quite a poor so called difficulty. You will be kicking yourself for all eternity on that math error on your part if you believe that the Bible is not accurate. I can see it now, handbreadth, handbreadth!!! WHY didn't I read vs 26!!! Not a good way to go into eternity folks thinking God is in error when instead it is you!!!!! All eternity going over how math never lies, just men who are willingly ignorant. You can easily find salvation in the Bible if you look, if you don't want to look, God will NOT force you. Have your own way folks, but thinking back on your math error for all eternity will truly be a torment. Our soul is eternal made in the image of God, you will spend somewhere forever. Where will it be? The choice is yours.

Further, Iceman, why not go to the Bible instead of going to people we all know are frauds making merchandise off the people of God as TV evangelists. I agree, they are a bunch of lunatics, so what has that to do with the word of God except to confirm its warnings against the people you are talking about?
 
Alaska, This should explain kings 7 23
The explaination is simple. It is not about blind faith but rather limited technology.
I really don't sweat the math. I balance my check book everymonth.
I have a computer for the hard stuff.
The Number Pi in the Bible.

Regarding the TV men of God, they say they are right. There are real people "wittnessing" on their TV shows. Who is to say they are wrong, and you are right?
How does God warn us about the TV men of God?
Who is to say who is a good man of God or a bad one? Sounds way judgemental to me.

An example of a true man of God is the Rev Danny. (according to danny)
God laid it on Dannys heart to create an special blend of blood Red anointing oil, made with biblical ingredients of old.
Some have asked, "Why would Danny invest thousands doing this?" Folks, hopefully by now you have the understanding that we want to see you and your loved ones abundantly blessed in every area of life! In fact, this was the Lords desire and commission - go into all the world and preach the good news! Jesus wants no one has to perish, the poor fed, the sick healed, devils cast out - you name it, He wants you every bit whole! This should be the desire of every Christian - it's definitely ours!!

Check out the Rev Danny.Link Removed

The Rev Danny says he is real, he has the true word of God.
Danny is offering "no a evil oil "that has been prayed over for seventeen days.
You get instructions. You can break witchcraft spells, and escape the circle of poverty.
All one has to do is call or visit the site.

Now Alaska, you call Rev Danny a lunatic. He claims to be a man of God. There are thousands of people who say the Rev Danny is real. The belive in him so much, they send Danny money.
Again, who are you to say they are wrong. It is their faith. Judge not, right?
This morning the Rev Danny cured a little boy of cancer of the eye. It was touching.
So, how can you be so right, and Danny so wrong? Have you healed any cancer today? Anyone sent you money for spreading the word?
There are people who can't leave their homes for many reasons. They want faith. They want to belive. They want to be healed. They do it with the technology of TV.

Alaska you have your faith, and it is good to you. It makes you feel right. That is important. It makes you at peace with yourself, and others. I am happy for you.

I can assure you, that I will be fine without relgion. When I am ready to drink the cool-aid, I have the REV Danny's web address. Really, thank you for caring.

Alaska, we are just a couple of smucks in a web site about packing firearms. I am here to learn more. If I want to learn about God, relgion, or baseball statistics, I google it. Please don't be offended if I ask why you are here.

One more question for you.
Can you explain the Jehovah's Wittness?
 
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There will always e those that try to find some mistake in the Bible, grasping at straws to prove their point. As far as the prosperity preachers I am not fond of most of them either but I do not toss the baby out with the bath.
 
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