Public Support For Gun Control At Lowest


Looks like someone is listening.

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Sgt. SIG

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That's encouraging! I was starting to feel like all was lost with the recent shootings and all the "guns are bad" talk in the news! :eek:
 

HK4U

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The liberal press and our elected officals would have us think there is a whole lot more public support than there really is. I think most Americans are smarter than that or at least I hope so.
 

rabywk

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I posted a little comment on their talking challenging some of their stats and point out how they argue with emotions. :D
 

ishi

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Hurts their feelings being the minority and finding out that not everyone agrees with their liberal views.

Anti-gun views aren't liberal though; liberal means 'permissive'. Since the 2nd amendment is extremely permissive concerning firearms, views that support it are simultaneously conservative (conserving the meaning of the constitution) and liberal (permitting all the freedoms promised by the constitution). Banning firearms is neither conservative nor liberal, and probably is best described as 'unconstitutional'.

This is assuming 'liberal' has a semantic meaning other than 'doody-head'.
 
Anti-gun views aren't liberal though; liberal means 'permissive'. Since the 2nd amendment is extremely permissive concerning firearms, views that support it are simultaneously conservative (conserving the meaning of the constitution) and liberal (permitting all the freedoms promised by the constitution). Banning firearms is neither conservative nor liberal, and probably is best described as 'unconstitutional'.

This is assuming 'liberal' has a semantic meaning other than 'doody-head'.

Political designations of liberal and conservative differ from those you are pointing out. Conservatives generally follow the Constitution closer while liberal political views often skew the Constitution. This is why you get "far right" and "far left" designations. It is true that not all liberals are anti 2A, but it's very few.
 

raybsc

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The problem is in the way the questions are worded.
The simple truth is that people are becoming more afraid to walk down the streets of America than ever before.
Realistically there is no way to control guns and the rational thinking person realizes this.
The publicizing of more and more stories about stopped robberies and rapes and other crimes by legally armed citizens really hits home. Criminals that are shot and or killed in the act really attract attention.
Even in America the majority of folks still like to see the good guy win!:D
 

Skirmisher

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There are very good reasons why only TWO states prohibit the citizen from concealed carry, WI and IL, why more states have "shall issue", and why more states have passed the Castle Doctrine which extends self defense outside the home; that reason is people are fed up with crime and the inability of the police and law makers to stop the ever increasing gang violence. As we all know, blaming the guns for so long has done nothing to solve the problem of violence since gun control does nothing to stop the criminal. Now we see a push to eliminate "gun free zones" where more mass murders take place. The trend is for less gun control, not more. These facts are ignored by the media and the "Brady Bunch". The armed citizen is the FIRST line of defense.
 

DrDavidM

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I am very happy to see that support of tighter gun control is going down. I am sad to see that as many Americans as do think there should be more control. At least we are going in the right direction though.
 

ishi

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Political designations of liberal and conservative differ from those you are pointing out. Conservatives generally follow the Constitution closer while liberal political views often skew the Constitution. This is why you get "far right" and "far left" designations. It is true that not all liberals are anti 2A, but it's very few.

Maybe I can be more clear.... 'liberal' used as a noun is a very generic label for a political group, while 'liberal' as an adjective has considerably more semantic value. Using them interchangeably doesn't work, especially when talking about the 2nd amendment.

Claiming conservative ownership to the 2nd amendment is one of the biggest mistakes the gun lobby has ever made. Promoting it as simple constitutionality and common sense is how to win over converts. Until actually winning the battle becomes more important that scoring points against the 'enemy', the 2A movement isn't going to get where it needs to be. This isn't supposed to be a polarizing political issue at all, so why is it being promoted as such?

As for your claim about who skews the constitution more, your invitation to a liberal vs. conservative constitutional brawl is respectfully declined... :eek:
 
Maybe I can be more clear.... 'liberal' used as a noun is a very generic label for a political group, while 'liberal' as an adjective has considerably more semantic value. Using them interchangeably doesn't work, especially when talking about the 2nd amendment.

Claiming conservative ownership to the 2nd amendment is one of the biggest mistakes the gun lobby has ever made. Promoting it as simple constitutionality and common sense is how to win over converts. Until actually winning the battle becomes more important that scoring points against the 'enemy', the 2A movement isn't going to get where it needs to be. This isn't supposed to be a polarizing political issue at all, so why is it being promoted as such?

As for your claim about who skews the constitution more, your invitation to a liberal vs. conservative constitutional brawl is respectfully declined... :eek:

Had no intention of starting a brawl with anyone. I just enjoy a good discussion. :)
 

ishi

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My mistake, ron. It's not easy being the only lefty in a sea of conservatives... Sometimes I see statements that you guys just accept as uncontroversial common sense, and it appears as if I'm being baited, even when that's not the intention at all. Sigh... :(
 
My mistake, ron. It's not easy being the only lefty in a sea of conservatives... Sometimes I see statements that you guys just accept as uncontroversial common sense, and it appears as if I'm being baited, even when that's not the intention at all. Sigh... :(

No problem Ishi. As I stated before, there are some liberals that are pro 2A and, evidently, your one of them. That's a good thing. Just to let you know, I have voted for the occasional Democrat. They're not all bad. :)
 

ElZorro

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The pros and cons of this post

I was both encouraged and discouraged to note that the anti posts, in general, seemed like brain-washed youngsters, with no support for their argument but hearsay and innuendo.

Was pleased to see Standing Wolf's as usual on-the-mark post. I wish I could find his email address again so as to invite him to this site. He was an astute and valued contributor (with whom I nevertheless had occasionsl tets-a tet) on the old, original PDO (RIP).

ElZorro
 
Sam,

If you head over to TheHighRoad dot Org, you can find Standing Wolf there and PM him.

Woody

"Charge the Court, Congress, and the several state legislatures with what to do with all the violent criminals who cannot be trusted with arms. We law abiding citizens shouldn't be burdened with having to prove we are not one of the untrustworthy just because those in government don't want to prevent crime by keeping violent criminals locked up." B.E. Wood
 

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