Public School Teachers and staff disarmed by Democrats

[Firefly]

I'm sure most have heard about Attorney General Dustin McDaniel, a Democrat, has denied Arkansas Public School teachers or staff to carry weapons of any kind on Arkansas school campuses. This edict came down from On High quickly after Clarksville School District announced it would train teachers and staff as guards at the City schools.
I'm curious, if there is a lawyer out there, that if the unthinkable should happen and a Conn. type shooting occur in Arkansas, can this Attorney General be sued by the families or charged with wrongful death?
Just as the Federal Government should be curbed in how it dictates to the states, State Government should be curbed in how it dictates to townships. No one has the right, legally or otherwise, to mandate that children be unguarded in today's society.

 

[dgifted]

They cannot allow any school to try as, if it succeeds, the whole Progressive plan to demand more government and less guns is proved wrong. In Kansas, the legislature passed a law allowing schools to designate trained employees to conceal carry on campus. The insurance company that provides liability insurance to a majority of the state's schools announced they would refuse to provide liabilty insurance to schools allowing carrying by school employees (teachers or administrators) irregardless of any additional training by those selected to carry. The business had to be leftist-leaning as if gun-friendly, would know the chances of shootings there are much greater as a gun-free zone.
-----They could have worked out sufficient parameters to make things the safest possible, if they wanted. I have suggested to some that any selected by schools could go through specialized training by the state or counties that could allow them to become reserve or part-time police or sheriff deputies. Front Sight Gun Training in Nevada stated they would train any designated school teacher or administrator for free. Then I see no legal way an insurance company can prohibit liability coverage for the school. Or, the State Insurance Commissioner could mandate the insurance carrier cannot prohibit coverage if they want to operate in the state. There are ways to counter the libs' assaults, if the will.
-----Several of the large districts stated they would not allow school employees to carry, no matter what, prior to the insurance company's announcement. Several, including Topeka, have their own school police force so provide pretty good coverage, although one person in each school armed would work better than a school resource officer covering several schools as now. It would give that extra layer of coverage.

 

[r1derbike]

Armed Security Guards may be hired to protect schools. The teachers and staff received 53 hours of intensive training already, some school specific, and passed to obtain their armed security guard licenses. The outgoing, sex-scandal ridden AG said since they weren't a private armed security guard company, they couldn't carry.

They already spent 15,000 bucks for training, to be told this. If they form a private security guard company, with all credentials, and get the signed ASP document (they may have it already) that there will be Armed Security Guards in the schools in the district, they may proceed.

It may take some rearranging of employment description of staff/support personnel, but it is doable.

This is McDaniel's last big spit-in-the-face before his departure from the AG's office. Good riddance.

If the district's insurance company will not cover because legal, armed security guards are employed by the school district to protect kids, then that's out of the district's hands, unless they want to find another company to underwrite insurance.

 

[Stengun]

Howdy,

There's already a thread about this located here:

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/gene...-teachers-concealed-carry-clarksville-ar.html

McDaniel, who is a POS, doesn't have an anti-gun agenda, but instead was asked his opinion of the matter based on this law and other state laws and McDaniel's opinion was based on the law that teachers and staff CANNOT possess a firearm on school campus. Even if the teacher and or staff member has an armed security guard license they are still a teacher/staff member.

Pretty simple.

I do not agree with McDaniel's opinion or with Our State Law and feel the the law needs to be changed so we do not have to depend on the opinion of the AG.

Pretty simple.

Paul

 

[JJFlash]

If those teachers received 53 hours of "intensive" training, then they're more qualified to carry than most armed security officers I know. (or most cops, for that matter...).

 

[Firefly]

As I understand the ruling the consequence would be that no insurance company would issue insurance to school teachers or school staff trained as guards. This would effectively keep persons so trained from performing that duty which was the intention of the AG. The "trained guard" issue was a loophole in the law which McDaniel closed with his interpretation of the law.

 

[dogshawred]

"I" stands for Intimidation.

Politics running rampant in Arkansas. The AG wants the names of teachers licensed to carry exposed to the public.
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Ark. attorney general says school must name teachers in gun program | Fox News
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Can anyone say "intimidation" this is just what any liberal would do to a law abiding citizen willing to put their neck on the line to protect the children in their care.

 

[Stengun]

Howdy,

Politics running rampant in Arkansas. The AG wants the names of teachers licensed to carry exposed to the public.
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Ark. attorney general says school must name teachers in gun program | Fox News
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Can anyone say "intimidation" this is just what any liberal would do to a law abiding citizen willing to put their neck on the line to protect the children in their care.

More BS from Faux Noise.

Arkansas has a State Law that says no one has the right to know who has a CHCL. The list of people with a CHCL can NOT be releases to the public under any circumstance.

Paul

 

[Stengun]

Howdy JJ,

If those teachers received 53 hours of "intensive" training, then they're more qualified to carry than most armed security officers I know. (or most cops, for that matter...).

Like I posted in the other thread, this may seem like a lot of training to a person with little or no formal training, but in reality it is very, very little training. The "Armed Security Guard" training has more to do with guarding a factory, business, etc. and the legal aspect of being a security guard than it does with clearing a classroom with an active shooter in the school building, or engaging an active shooter in a crowded classroom or hallway.

I've spent many, many hours, weeks, months and even years doing CQB drills while I was in the military and as a Gov't employee and contractor and 53 hours of "intensive training" for someone with the "mindset" and "demeanor" to be a school teacher isn't adequate.

Hire school teachers to teach and hire gunslingers to tote a gun. If the teachers want to be a gunslinger they need to be properly trained.

Paul

 

[BluesStringer]

Howdy,



More BS from Faux Noise.

Arkansas has a State Law that says no one has the right to know who has a CHCL. The list of people with a CHCL can NOT be releases to the public under any circumstance.

Paul

Hi again Pretty Simple Paul,

Still posting bullcrap I see. Your AG apparently disagrees with your assessment of state law under some (likely made up) rubric of extenuating circumstances. He's quoted in the article that you managed to dismiss without even reading as saying:

"Given the unusual duties and responsibilities the school district intended to assign to the ERT members, I must conclude that knowing the number of ERTS members and their identities would shed great light on the school district's performance of its duties," McDaniel wrote. "In my opinion, though the privacy interest is weighty, the public's interest is at least as weighty, which means that the record must be disclosed."

Better get on the horn and tell him how full of crap he is, Pretty Simple Paul.

Blues

 

[Firefly]

Letter of the Law

Did Liberals and Democrats suddenly start following the Law? If so, I didn't get that notification.

 

[r1derbike]

Saw on the local news tonight that the Clarksville School District is going ahead with their plans, as they have all the legal documents necessary to proceed. Arkansas AG McDaniel and others have demanded that a list of all the "protectors" be submitted to all media outlets. That information is readily available with an FOIA search, and the Superintendent has refused to make a media circus as AG McDaniel desires (it may become a circus anyway, as the media peruse the FOIA info). The Superintendent will give a list to any parents who ask for it, and many, of course want to know. No problem.

Ironically, Arkansas' CHCL permit information is no longer FOIA material, and ASP records were sealed per the law, but not before at least one left wing media outlet got all the information before it was sealed and printed it in their online media. The fallout from that last act of media defiance was swift, and decisive. The media outlet apologized, somewhat, and took the info offline:

Link Removed

It's good to see Clarksville School District "bucking the bozo" (McDaniel), but who knows what the next ploy of the AG will be? Stay tuned, same bat time, same bat channel!

I wouldn't put it past McDaniel to enlist our dear CIC's perverted distortion of law, and grovel to get him involved to get this "common sense" program slammed. With McDaniel's sex scandal and him leaving office, it's an unknown. This could be a model for schools nationwide, or it could be obliterated by ignorant, quaking antis, led by our socialist dictator, who have no interest in protecting our kids in schools, where madmen target because of the sitting duck gun free zones.

 

[dogshawred]

This something different.

Howdy,



More BS from Faux Noise.

Arkansas has a State Law that says no one has the right to know who has a CHCL. The list of people with a CHCL can NOT be releases to the public under any circumstance.

Paul

Not so, but the AG is going after the licensing that they received as a security guard.
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Attorney General Dustin McDaniel said in an advisory opinion that the Clarksville School District was incorrect to withhold the names of the employees it had trained to work as volunteer, armed security guards. McDaniel last week said that the state board in charge of regulating private investigators was wrong to license the western Arkansas district as a private security firm under a little-known law the school had used to arm its employees.

Read more: Ark. attorney general says school must name teachers in gun program | Fox News
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So this has nothing to do specifically with their CHL and is not considered exempt under that regulation.

 

[r1derbike]

Anyone who wants the names of the teachers/staff who are licensed trained security guards may obtain that information through the FOIA. There is no "hiding" their identities. McDork wants to turn this into a media circus. He could have simply said anyone who wants the information may get the information from the above source, but NNOOO! Media circus time! Parents who want that information may ask the district for a list of names, and they will get it. There is no cloak and dagger politics here as McDork is implying with his demands.

Then you have the quaking antis who don't want their kids in a classroom where they will be protected. Saw one of them on the news tonight. The ignorance and emotion seem to push common sense and reason to the back of the room. Of course it was an uninformed, low information mother.

So, the wheels are in motion to vilify the district's answer to keep kids safe. Ignorance and emotion may trump safety and security in the weeks ahead. We shall see!

 

[JJFlash]

Howdy JJ,

Like I posted in the other thread, this may seem like a lot of training to a person with little or no formal training, but in reality it is very, very little training. The "Armed Security Guard" training has more to do with guarding a factory, business, etc. and the legal aspect of being a security guard than it does with clearing a classroom with an active shooter in the school building, or engaging an active shooter in a crowded classroom or hallway.

I've spent many, many hours, weeks, months and even years doing CQB drills while I was in the military and as a Gov't employee and contractor and 53 hours of "intensive training" for someone with the "mindset" and "demeanor" to be a school teacher isn't adequate.

Hire school teachers to teach and hire gunslingers to tote a gun. If the teachers want to be a gunslinger they need to be properly trained.

Paul

Hi, Paul,

Send em to Front Sights 4-5 day defensive handgun course (I understand that FS offers to train any teachers for free). At the end of this initial training, anybody with half a head on their shoulders and reasonable physical skills WILL be better trained than most security types I know (cops, too). Of course, training doesn't stop there, since this is all a "perishable skill". But, it'd be a helluva start...and I'd feel comfortable with anyone passing that training with an advanced certificate keeping on eye out for my kids.

Jack

 

[Stengun]

Howdy JJ,

Hi, Paul,

Send em to Front Sights 4-5 day defensive handgun course (I understand that FS offers to train any teachers for free). At the end of this initial training, anybody with half a head on their shoulders and reasonable physical skills WILL be better trained than most security types I know (cops, too). Of course, training doesn't stop there, since this is all a "perishable skill". But, it'd be a helluva start...and I'd feel comfortable with anyone passing that training with an advanced certificate keeping on eye out for my kids.

Jack

Now you're talking!

FS could easily design a training program that specifically targeted ( no pun intended ) the type of threat that teachers would face with an active shooter on campus.

I'm all for arming teachers and staff members but I feel they need special or specific training to deal with an active shooter because of all the kids/innocent bystander(s) that could be shoo during a shootout.

Look at the war in Iraq and the number of US Soldiers that have been killed or wounded by friendly fire.

McDaniel will be gone in 2014.

In fact, I'm going to start making a few phone calls and writing emails to see if we can get rid of him sooner.

Paul

 

[r1derbike]

just heard on the news that a panel of lawmakers ruled that private security guards cannot double as teachers and staff, or vice versa. Their private company should have been deemed legal to do so, but the lawmakers said no. They had no problem with guards who were not teachers and staff, but doing both, they shot-down (pun intended).

So, the saga continues, unfortunately. Our kids are unsafe in gun-free zones thanks to Democratic lawmakers, as of today, unless they want to hire outside armed security guards.

I knew that this was coming, the instant I heard Clarksville was going to protect their kids with staff. It was given in plain language; guard or teacher, not both.

 

[JJFlash]

just heard on the news that a panel of lawmakers ruled that private security guards cannot double as teachers and staff, or vice versa. Their private company should have been deemed legal to do so, but the lawmakers said no. They had no problem with guards who were not teachers and staff, but doing both, they shot-down (pun intended).

So, the saga continues, unfortunately. Our kids are unsafe in gun-free zones thanks to Democratic lawmakers, as of today, unless they want to hire outside armed security guards.

I knew that this was coming, the instant I heard Clarksville was going to protect their kids with staff. It was given in plain language; guard or teacher, not both.

That figures. You'd think someone could think "outside the box" when it is kids' welfare and safety that is at stake...but, no. Bet if it meant money in the pockets of some of these politician scum, you'd see change...and right quick, too.

 

[dogshawred]

Our children are told, we as adults are told to think outside the box, to expand our way of doing things away from the status quo. Now that a school district has done just that in an attempt to utilize those funds at their disposal. NO this is not acceptable under the law, well the law is not acceptable, get out of the way of our school administrators trying to protect our future generations.
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The concept of government big or small trying to control EVERYTHING is what is UNACCEPTABLE and has to change. We the people who elect everyone must make the change to in our government big or small to allow the every day man/woman think on their own, out side of the box if you will...... to be back in control of their own lives.

 

[dgifted]

Our children are told, we as adults are told to think outside the box, to expand our way of doing things away from the status quo. Now that a school district has done just that in an attempt to utilize those funds at their disposal. NO this is not acceptable under the law, well the law is not acceptable, get out of the way of our school administrators trying to protect our future generations.
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The concept of government big or small trying to control EVERYTHING is what is UNACCEPTABLE and has to change. We the people who elect everyone must make the change to in our government big or small to allow the every day man/woman think on their own, out side of the box if you will...... to be back in control of their own lives.

Very well put. Those libs keep preaching things like "think outside the box" but when people do and have a remedy that is different than they want, they get upset and try to put down creative thinking. I find many teachers tend to do this too if they don't agree with the solution. Elect those who really are open to solutions.